About the northern border

[M.Dancer]

No, they dont like womens freedom etc but they didnt attack because of it, they attacked because of american meddling in middle east affairs, supplying weapons and training to different groups, oil deals, etc, they see jewish and american involvement in the middle east as the reason they are held back as a society, now thats not true, the truth lays somewhere in between, american meddling IS what caused the attacks, to americans its just business, they dont have ethical boundaries when it comes to making money, lie, steal, cheat, as long as they get the money its ok, meanwhile arabs see it as america wanting to take over the middle east, they see it as a religious war also, both sides are full of ridiculous ideas and because both their populations are so poorly informed they both see the other as ultimate evil, the fact is if the u.s. was fair in its dealings then it wouldnt have such a rotten reputation ...

I take it then you haven't read Bin Laden's stated goals?

, to americans its just business, they dont have ethical boundaries when it comes to making money, lie, steal, cheat, as long as they get the money its ok,

Do you realize just how immature this makes you sound?

[Agaric]

I take it then you haven't read Bin Laden's stated goals?

You mean the 25 year plan, ya I have.

Almost all of Europe has a higher atheist population, some European countries have much tougher immigration laws for arabs, the reason the u.s. is targeted is because of its connection with Israel (another country that bully and murders innocent ppl and treats others around them like prisoners) and because of the u.s. involvement in the middle east, u.s. hands in arab oil, u.s. influence over arab governments etc. Bin Laden has his own politics hes playing but the u.s. is targeted for the two main reasons I listed, thats it ...

Do you realize just how immature this makes you sound?

Do you doubt that money and power are the reasons behind the iraq war ?

Do you doubt that american corporations and government have lied to ppl around the world to get access to money ?

Do you doubt that american corporations and government have backed corrupt groups to further u.s. power in different areas ?

Funny how shocking things sound when u remove the spin and dressing that modern american media puts on even the smallest facts about the country ...

[M.Dancer]

You mean the 25 year plan, ya I have.

Almost all of Europe has a higher atheist population, some European countries have much tougher immigration laws for arabs, the reason the u.s. is targeted is because of its connection with Israel (another country that bully and murders innocent ppl and treats others around them like prisoners) and because of the u.s. involvement in the middle east, u.s. hands in arab oil, u.s. influence over arab governments etc. Bin Laden has his own politics hes playing but the u.s. is targeted for the two main reasons I listed, thats it ...

Do you doubt that money and power are the reasons behind the iraq war ?

Do you doubt that american corporations and government have lied to ppl around the world to get access to money ?

Do you doubt that american corporations and government have backed corrupt groups to further u.s. power in different areas ?

Funny how shocking things sound when u remove the spin and dressing that modern american media puts on even the smallest facts about the country ...

I doubt you are worth continuing with....there is no shortage of simplistic sloganeering alcon wearers here, that quota has been reached ...welcome to my ignore list

[cynic43]

I doubt you are worth continuing with....there is no shortage of simplistic sloganeering alcon wearers here, that quota has been reached ...welcome to my ignore list

Yeah go and pout little boy....agaric won't agree with your warped point of view so he gets to go on

your ignore list ...how immature is that?

Time to grow up little boy and see the world through the eyes of informed adults and not through

what Fox or Global tells you what to see.....

[Guest American Woman]

Yeah go and pout little boy....agaric won't agree with your warped point of view so he gets to go on

your ignore list ...how immature is that?

Time to grow up little boy and see the world through the eyes of informed adults and not through

what Fox or Global tells you what to see.....

So are you saying this-- "[Americans] dont have ethical boundaries when it comes to making money, lie, steal, cheat, as long as they get the money its ok" -- is what "informed adults" see?

[ScottSA]

Good grief, this place is being overrun by rappas and political toddlers.

[Higgly]

Good grief, this place is being overrun by rappas and political toddlers.

Oh I know. I know.

I am with Agaric. Terrorism from abroad (as opposed to terrorism from within - murder, mayhem, drunk drivers, what have you, that takes thousands and thousands of lives every year) is a response to US foreign policy. Whether or not it is deserved, is another matter.

I can agree that the US should be responsible for its own security. But I sure as hell will not agree that we should. Rue, you in particular are badly mistaken about this. That is what friends do? Are we supposed to set up an entire new department of "exogration" responsibe solely for granting exit visas to the US? Get a grip. I can see it now. We will pay for it, but to be entirely satisfactory to the whatever whim wafts through the US Congress, The Executive Branch, the INS bureacracy, Dogpatch and the US Entertainment industry, it will be run by US managers. The US managers will be located on Canadian soil and will be eligible for healthcare in whatever province hs the best plan at the moment. What a great deal. Who could refuse?

Sure there's a long border between our countries. There is also one hell of a lot of US coastline.

And finally, this. The 9/11 terrorists were all admitted to the US by US Immigration and none of them came in from Canada. 'Nough said.

Edited October 21, 2007 by Higgly

[bush_cheney2004]

And finally, this. The 9/11 terrorists were all admitted to the US by US Immigration and none of them came in from Canada. 'Nough said.

Long before 9/11....long before President Bush.... was the case of Ahmed Ressam....admitted as a known perp into Canada:

PBS Frontline: A lot of people are saying that Canada has become a safe haven for terrorists. Do you believe that?

Yes...I think many countries look upon Canada as being a welcoming country for terrorists, war criminals and so on. I don't think it is a deliberate policy on the part of Canada. I think it is the result of a series of shortcomings in the system that enables people to slip across the border through any port of entry, establish a case -- particularly those who wish to make a refugee claim -- and then more or less disappear forever, in some cases, or in some cases until the hearing, or until they are turned down, or until they are accepted. And while they are doing this, they are paid welfare, they're paid housing, they're looked after legally, medically. ... - Bill Bauer, former member of the Canadian Immigration and Refugee Board

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...etc/canada.html

[Higgly]

Long before 9/11....long before President Bush.... was the case of Ahmed Ressam....admitted as a known perp into Canada:

PBS Frontline: A lot of people are saying that Canada has become a safe haven for terrorists. Do you believe that?

Yes...I think many countries look upon Canada as being a welcoming country for terrorists, war criminals and so on. I don't think it is a deliberate policy on the part of Canada. I think it is the result of a series of shortcomings in the system that enables people to slip across the border through any port of entry, establish a case -- particularly those who wish to make a refugee claim -- and then more or less disappear forever, in some cases, or in some cases until the hearing, or until they are turned down, or until they are accepted. And while they are doing this, they are paid welfare, they're paid housing, they're looked after legally, medically. ... - Bill Bauer, former member of the Canadian Immigration and Refugee Board

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...etc/canada.html

One again, I have to ask. How many actual acts of terrorism have been perpretrated in North America as a result of terrorists who had set up shop in Canada? Give me a number from 0 to zero.

The most recent lot, who were planning to blow up the CN Tower, were turned in to CSIS by the Moslem community.

Edited October 21, 2007 by Higgly

[bush_cheney2004]

One again, I have to ask. How many actual acts of terrorism have been perpretrated in North America as a result of terrorists who had set up shop in Canada? Give me a number from 0 to zero.

Are you serious? Seriously ignorant? How about 428....not counting your loose definition of domestic vs. international terrorism (e.g. "motor vehicle accidents"). Read 'em and weep:

Canadians tend to act surprised to learn that terrorism is present in Canada — a point that does confirm suspicions that many of us know little about our own history. Irish Fenians were a concern around the time of Confederation, and Darcy McGee (one of the Fathers of Confederation) was assassinated by one in 1869. Down through the decades after this, there were few problems inside Canada, although the Ku Klux Klan made an appearance between the World Wars and caused some problems. The other major source for occasional acts of terrorism (usually within their own community) were the Doukhobors, the first of the imported or emigre groups to come into Canada. More would be heard from them after the Second World War.

Canadians are perfectly capable of generating terrorism on their own, although most incidents are minor, and narrowly focused within particular communities. Anthony Kellet catalogued 428 incidents of terrorism originating in Canada during a 30-year period between 1960 and 1989. These were acts by a variety of actors from the radical Left and Right, Quebec Separatists, the Doukhobors (still), and single issue players such as the Animal Liberation Front and anti-Abortion activists. The majority of these actions (some 200 in all) involved Quebec separatists, and 143 involved actions by the Sons of Freedom subset of the Doukhobors.

Quebec separatists provoked the greatest emergency with the FLQ crisis in 1970, when — 101 years after the death of Darcy McGee -- a Quebec cabinet minister became the second Canadian politician to be assassinated. Considerable attention was also generated by the short-lived career of five radical leftists, who went on a spree in 1982-83 that culminated in a clumsy but massive truck-bomb outside the Litton Industries plant in Toronto in October 1983. Truck bombs and assassinations were unusual, as the vast majority of Canadian terrorist attacks involved Molotov cocktails, pipe bombs, and other unsophisticated forms of attack. Kellet’s figures only include actual attacks, not threats, by groups that were formed in Canada and attacking targets inside Canada.[/i]

http://www.mackenzieinstitute.com/2003/oth...oples_wars2.htm

Edited October 22, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

[Higgly]

I love it. Patrick James Whelan, who was convicted and hanged for killing McGee, was never accused of being a Fenian by the Crown prosecutor. You appear to be the only one who is able to make the case. Evidence? And, a propos of the thread topic how many times did Whelan attack the US?

The Doukhobors. The most terrifying thing about htem is that you might have to look at them naked. I mean these people need to lay off the pork fat and potatoes. In any case, how many times have they attacked the US?

The FLQ. Yes, they were terrorists. But we are talking about terrorists coming from Canada and attacking the US, are we not? Makes your point kind of irrelevant, does it not? Ditto the Animal Liberation Front and anti-Abortion activists.

This thread is about border issues, not internal acts of terrorism is it not?.

Nose to the grindstone, Bush_Cheney2004. Please.

Edited October 22, 2007 by Higgly

[bush_cheney2004]

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Edited October 22, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

The FLQ. Yes, they were terrorists. But we are talking about terrorists coming from Canada and attacking the US, are we not? Makes your point kind of irrelevant, does it not? Ditto the Animal Liberation Front and anti-Abortion activists.

This thread is about border issues, not internal acts of terrorism is it not?.

Nose to the grindstone, Bush_Cheney2004. Please.

So typical...when proven wrong about the subject and false assertion (not to mention whole number theory)...you change the question!

Squirm and wriggle as you might, you cannot escape the history of terrorism in North America, and that includes Canada.

[Higgly]

So typical...when proven wrong about the subject and false assertion (not to mention whole number theory)...you change the question!

Squirm and wriggle as you might, you cannot escape the history of terrorism in North America, and that includes Canada.

Well, how can I put this in terms that even you might understand. The thread is about border issues and as a part of that thread, the subject of terrorists originating in Canada came up. Ergo, posts about terrorists coming from Canada and CROSSING THE FUCKING BORDER would be relevant. Posts about terrorists, WHO DO NOT CROSS THE FUCKING BORDER, would not be relevant. DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND ME NOW?

[bush_cheney2004]

Well, how can I put this in terms that even you might understand. The thread is about border issues and as a part of that thread, the subject of terrorists originating in Canada came up. Ergo, posts about terrorists coming from Canada and CROSSING THE FUCKING BORDER would be relevant. Posts about terrorists, WHO DO NOT CROSS THE FUCKING BORDER, would not be relevant. DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND ME NOW?

Higgly posted:

One again, I have to ask. How many actual acts of terrorism have been perpretrated in North America as a result of terrorists who had set up shop in Canada? Give me a number from 0 to zero.

You sir, have been handed your ass.....next please.

[Higgly]

Higgly posted:

One again, I have to ask. How many actual acts of terrorism have been perpretrated in North America as a result of terrorists who had set up shop in Canada? Give me a number from 0 to zero.

You sir, have been handed your ass.....next please.

You just haven't a clue, do you?

Edited October 22, 2007 by Higgly

[bush_cheney2004]

You just haven't a clue, do you?

Hmmmm...a glutton for punishment no doubt. Tell us again about no terrorism ever setting up shop in Canada...LOL!

[Higgly]

Hmmmm...a glutton for punishment no doubt. Tell us again about no terrorism ever setting up shop in Canada...LOL!

Hilary Clinton had a good sound bite for situations like this: "Can I be quoted yawning?"

When you can't win an argument, you can always fall back on sophistry, right?

[bush_cheney2004]

Hilary Clinton had a good sound bite for situations like this: "Can I be quoted yawning?"

When you can't win an argument, you can always fall back on sophistry, right?

No...you are often sloppy in such matters, being so blinded by zeal. This isn't the first time you have claimed to be a victim of "sophistry", when in fact you are a victim of yourself.

Your assertion was proven to be patently false....so you whine as is your habit, instead of simply correcting your claim. A child's tantrum......

Edited October 22, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

[Higgly]

What can I say? This is a thread about border issues and the subject of Canada-based terrorists came up. You are trying to turn it into a thread about something else by the use of word play.

Sophistry.

Hasta la vista, baby.

[bush_cheney2004]

What can I say? This is a thread about border issues and the subject of Canada-based terrorists came up. You are trying to turn it into a thread about something else by the use of word play.

Sophistry.

Hasta la vista, baby.

You would still be wrong.....victimized yet again by your ridiculous assertion that "drunk drivers" are terrorists. I'm sure I can find an example of a Canadian snuffing someone on this side of the border.

And of course, Ahmed Ressam was harmless until he actually detonated his car bomb.

Edited October 22, 2007 by bush_cheney2004