"Shut up and fit in"

[trex]

so what, we are all descendants of foreigners. why is it a problem to you?

[Leafless]

so what, we are all descendants of foreigners. why is it a problem to you?

I suppose there are different cultural and racial classifications relating to the word foreigner.

What classification are you?

Third world, European, American, British, etc.

Makes a difference when you are talking about fitting into a modern, majority English speaking, Christian country, like Canada.

[trex]

oy vey. You must be under 25, eh?

no i'm not. but i like to think outside the box.

if anything i say is confusing to you, feel free to ask, poor fellow

Edited September 30, 2007 by tbud

[Argus]

The rest are all problems in every other major city in the world. You've got to do better than that.

Why do I have to do better than that? They used to call Toronto New York run by the Swiss. It was clean and safe. And I'm not talking about back in the fifties or sixties either. A huge influx of immigrants made it what it is now.

Do you have a citation that more than 50% of Torontonians are foreign born?

City of Toronto

By comparison, 24% of New Yorkers are foreign born.

[Argus]

so what, we are all descendants of foreigners. why is it a problem to you?

We are all descendants of illiterate savages too. That doesn't mean I want to live among illiterate savages.

[Argus]

no i'm not. but i like to think outside the box.

You are not thinking outside the box. You are thinking like the CBC told you to. No more, no less.

[trex]

We are all descendants of illiterate savages too. That doesn't mean I want to live among illiterate savages.

the vast majority of people in toronto canst read?

[Argus]

the vast majority of people in toronto canst read?

The vast majority of immigrants to Canada are people coming from failed cultures. They have made their homelands into shitholes, and then come here and demand to continue acting as they were in the old world. I do not want to live amongst millions of Jamaicans or Somalians or Pakistanis or Muslims of any kind, for that matter. Because they cling to violent, primitive, backward cultures which have kept their own homelands in the shape they are now in.

[trex]

You are not thinking outside the box. You are thinking like the CBC told you to. No more, no less.

hardly, i dont follow any one ideology nor you over a cliff. just discussing my views like other people here. if real facts are presented, i try to consider them.

most of all, i'm concerned about fairness. muslims can worship their god in my country as long as they dont oppress anyone in doing so, including women. that indeed is one thing they have to leave back home when they come here. the laws of canada apply to all.

how we do that, and still allow fundamental freedoms, is the tricky part.

[trex]

The vast majority of immigrants to Canada are people coming from failed cultures. They have made their homelands into shitholes, and then come here and demand to continue acting as they were in the old world. I do not want to live amongst millions of Jamaicans or Somalians or Pakistanis or Muslims of any kind, for that matter. Because they cling to violent, primitive, backward cultures which have kept their own homelands in the shape they are now in.

as with all the gun crime lately in toronto... yet my impression from the many news articles, these are the second generation, born here, sons of immigrants. the root of their sociopathic behaviour may not come directly from their culture, but something else.

gangs are an even bigger problem in the united states, and they are not immigrants, but inner-city youth. blacks & hispanics. they cling to violent culture as well.

but then again, don't we all...

they only want the same things we do... after the "whites" conquered and killed everybody they got to live according to their own beliefs, in relative peace... because no one is around to argue anymore.

... see that, thats outside the box again for ya

[ScottSA]

no i'm not. but i like to think outside the box.

if anything i say is confusing to you, feel free to ask, poor fellow

Most of what you say is confusing to me, I'm afraid. Perhaps you could raise your head from the bong just for a second, and gaze blankly at the screen, and make whatever point you're attempting to squeeze out, quickly, and THEN return to communing with the Gods of Bhang.

[trex]

Most of what you say is confusing to me, I'm afraid.

i realize that. we have a long way to go, you and i.

;^)

Edited September 30, 2007 by tbud

[betsy]

Toronto is a wonderful place. I visited this summer, stayed downtown for a few days. Nice place. Pollution sucks. But otherwise it's nice.

What's the problem with it, exactly?

The first time I visited Toronto (around the mid-80's), I couldn't help but compare it with the atmosphere in Ottawa.

Yes it offered a lot of sights very big cities usually offer, and it has its own charm what with all the variety of ethnic restaurants in various ethnic districts (Greek, Polish, Chinese).

However, the one thing that struck me was that....Toronto is a cold place. I'm not talking about the weather.

People are not friendly....or they seem that way. They even seem to avoid looking at other people. Maybe that's how big cities are really like?

Ottawa is by far such a friendly place in comparison. Right now, I find no attraction at all that would compel me to want to visit Toronto. I'd rather spend week-ends in Kingston!

[Argus]

most of all, i'm concerned about fairness. muslims can worship their god in my country as long as they dont oppress anyone in doing so, including women. that indeed is one thing they have to leave back home when they come here. the laws of canada apply to all.

Muslims have little choice but to do as they're told - as long as they're a small minority. As their numbers grow - and they are by far the fastest growing minority in this country - their wishes will come more and more into play. More Muslims will be elected to parliament, and "the laws of Canada" cannot fail to be affected by this. It wasn't very long ago - a few decades - that the census didn't even mention Muslim numbers, you know. Their numbers were so small they were lumped in with "other faiths". Yet their numbers doubled between 1981 and 1991. And between 1991 and 2001 their numbers doubled again and they took over from Jews as the third most populace religious group. Most statisticians agree their numbers have doubled again since 2001. A group which doubles its population every 7-10 years is a group which is growing in power and influence, certainly in a democracy, where their votes count as much as anyone's. Which means that you can't simply dismiss their violent chauvinism, bigotry and religious fanaticism as quaint and not something which will affect you. Perhaps it doesn't affect you now, but how about in another twenty or thirty years. I plan to still be living here then. How about you?

And the time to change that culture is now, not in thirty years.

[Argus]

as with all the gun crime lately in toronto... yet my impression from the many news articles, these are the second generation, born here, sons of immigrants. the root of their sociopathic behaviour may not come directly from their culture, but something else.

According to Macleans, over 90% of the violent gun grime in Toronto is due to Jamaican gangs. That does not seem to me to be out of sync with the lifestyle in Jamaica

gangs are an even bigger problem in the united states, and they are not immigrants, but inner-city youth. blacks & hispanics. they cling to violent culture as well.

The root of the American crime problem is their underclass, principally blacks, and now Hispanics (poor, ignorant immigrants) in slums. These are people without hope, without jobs, without education. The historic roots of their sociological problems have filled books, if not libraries. Combine that with a violent gun culture and idiots in office and you've got a big problem.

The roots of our violent crime are not as deeply buried. Most of it comes from street gangs, and most of the street gangs, incl pimps, drug dealers, etc., are ethnic oriented, principally Jamaican, Haitian, Columbian, Sri Lankan, Somalian and Vietnamese. And to a lesser extent Iranian and Lebanese, but they're more into drug smuggling than drive-bys

they only want the same things we do... after the "whites" conquered and killed everybody they got to live according to their own beliefs, in relative peace... because no one is around to argue anymore.

Yes. True. But that is an argument for us NOT allowing them to conquer and kill us all - or at least, not to outnumber us all. I do not want to live as they live.

[mikedavid00]

The vast majority of immigrants to Canada are people coming from failed cultures. They have made their homelands into shitholes, and then come here and demand to continue acting as they were in the old world. I do not want to live amongst millions of Jamaicans or Somalians or Pakistanis or Muslims of any kind, for that matter. Because they cling to violent, primitive, backward cultures which have kept their own homelands in the shape they are now in.

Amen! I coulnd't have said it better myself.

[mikedavid00]

The rest are all problems in every other major city in the world. You've got to do better than that.

Do you have a citation that more than 50% of Torontonians are foreign born?

Still in denail eh?

cite

"that 27 per cent of the people living in this provincewere born outside the country. I tell them we have a capital area called the GTA, where 52 per cent of the people living there were born outside the country. They always ask me, well with such diversity, such multiculturalism, why is there not more strife and struggle. And I tell them one of the most important parts of the foundation for oursuccess in such a diverse society, is we invite our kids to come together, to learn fromone another, to grow together, and to help us build a strong, caring, cohesive society.Publicly funded education, as it exists, is an important cornerstone of our success as asociety" -- Dalton McGuinty a week back citing the latest numbers.

[mikedavid00]

They mostly didn't apply.

Actually wasn't the big issue with the Sikh RCMP thing was that the RCMP said you don't have the wear that hat, but the Sikh said not only that, but he wanted the RCMP to make him a special turban? An official turban as part of the uniform that the tax payers funded?

I don't believe there should be any religious symbols in our public state. That goes for turbans and hijabs. They don't like, there's the door, get out or shut up and fit in.

[mikedavid00]

Muslims by and large think Western women are cheap, worthless sluts. Muslim men in Canada believe Canadian women are always available, and grow angry when rejected, tending to react to rejection with verbal or physical abuse or both. So here we have a woman who has some familiarity with Muslims, and shockingly, it has not bred tolerance for their "culture".

That is so true. Wow word for word. Girls call it 'a bad muslim experience' because there are so many Mulsims in the Ottawa/Montreal area chasing Canadian women.

Here in the GTA, they don't bother becuase white women are pretty much a minority group now and the Muslims heavily ghettoise and segregate to their own here.

Also the women of any ethnicity consider white girls whores and easy. I cant count the time i've been told this. Especially from Sikh's.

I will say from personal experience and observation that there is some truth to that. Below is what i've noticed.

Visible minority women (including those born here) do not believe in love. They believe in self gain and will use a man to get her and her family that.

White women of the western world (Russia for example, not included) believe in love. They fall in love with someone and don't marry for self gain. The down fall is that they can fall in love so deep and fast that they can be a nieve about it. But none the less they do believe in love. Her parents will also unconditionally accept you and love you too. The ethnic family will judge you net worth in dollars and see if they pennies add up their liking. They will also want you to be of the same race. If not, they will diss-own their own daughter. Ethnic parents don't understand how it is to pass love to a child. The children are treated as cattle. Farm cattle. The children only used to benefit the parents. And so the cycle continues.

(of course this is a comlex subject and these are just my personal observations. Ther's many exceptions, but those are my exception. Ethnic women certainly do sleep around also. Many of us can attest to that first hand. Ethnic women also tend to have many annoying sexual hang-ups. I don't really know why they just do. Again more personal observations. So they should think twice before calling white girls 'whores' and such and maybe look in the mirror and see the serious downfalls that they have.).

[mikedavid00]

most of all, i'm concerned about fairness.

Why?

[mikedavid00]

The root of the American crime problem is their underclass, principally blacks, and now Hispanics (poor, ignorant immigrants) in slums. These are people without hope, without jobs, without education.

When you examine modern gangs in the west, the root is realy the fact that civilized nations let aliens into their country.

You aren't allowed to discuss these things. Especially when it comes to crimes in the US.

There are black crimes in the US. There are slums which are mostly black and latino. Now we have ghetto's in Canada. Murders in Toronto, Vancouver. .. not many in Montreal though.. hmm..

The root, proveable cause is a nation let in foreign born aliens into a culture where certain people, from certain countries were incompatible.

Now the US is stuck with a major problem that they've learned to live with.

Canada's problems are just beginning and we need to stop it now.

[mikedavid00]

Welcome to the reality of the entire world.

Canada is not the entire world.

It is our small country with borders and laws. We decide what goes.

That's what's wrong with you young kids. You think that Canada is somehow the 'entire worlds'.

The 'entire world' has no right being here. Only we do.

[mikedavid00]

Too much crime, too many gangs, too much dirt, too much crowding and traffic, too may foreigners (more than half the population are foreign born) speaking too many horribly garbled and heavily accented versions of English - if they speak it at all.

They don't speak it.

I used the subway system for the first time here because I went down town for some festival that was a waste of time.

The subway is pretty simple. Chinese in one corner, Jamaicans in the other, Indians in the other, Muslim women with hijabs in the other with a few Canadians here and there. It's a completely segregated society. It's an extrememly racist subway. We sat there and couldn't believe the segregation right on the subway. People of certain coloured skin only talk to each other.

All you hear on the subway are foreign languages. I don't think i heard english once.

And wow there is low income poverty all over Toronto.

[mikedavid00]

Do you have a citation that more than 50% of Torontonians are foreign born?

did you really come down to Toronto this summer? How could you even question that? I guess there's always an off chance you stayed in a 'white' area like Oakville or the Beaches. Good portions of Toronto proper around the condos are also largely white believe it or not.

Edited October 1, 2007 by mikedavid00

[mikedavid00]

Why do I have to do better than that? They used to call Toronto New York run by the Swiss. It was clean and safe. And I'm not talking about back in the fifties or sixties either. A huge influx of immigrants made it what it is now.

City of Toronto

By comparison, 24% of New Yorkers are foreign born.

Those 24% are not from the stone age, 3rd world either. They are from France, Germany, UK, Isreal, Mexico.

We certainly don't get those kind of immigrants.