jennie Posted October 1, 2007 Report Posted October 1, 2007 It would be even more distressing for 3 men to leave one alone with 3 boys unless they thought he had the upper hand. Sam may well have had the upper hand with one, as it is reported that he had the fifteen year old pinned to the wall with a stick across his throat. However, I simply cannot believe that Joe would leave, given the possibility that the 15 year old may be joined by others. I think it is possible that Joe doesn't want to admit he was a witness to Sam's assault on the 15 year old. imo. Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
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jennie Posted October 1, 2007 Report Posted October 1, 2007 Not surprising that no one has made an effort to provide any info on this. I am sure it was already posted. However, if you want to do the research to defend your point of view, here's the link... http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=...e&scoring=d Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
noahbody Posted October 1, 2007 Report Posted October 1, 2007 Not surprising that no one has made an effort to provide any info on this. Here's joe speaking to the media on the day of the attack. His words were "about four." Quote
noahbody Posted October 1, 2007 Report Posted October 1, 2007 However, I simply cannot believe that Joe would leave, given the possibility that the 15 year old may be joined by others. I think it is possible that Joe doesn't want to admit he was a witness to Sam's assault on the 15 year old. imo. Or, maybe he wasn't there. Why do I feel like a thick Dairy Queen Blizzard right now? Quote
jennie Posted October 1, 2007 Report Posted October 1, 2007 Or, maybe he wasn't there. You have missed a development ... Joew says he went outside with the nephews to get 2x4's. Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
noahbody Posted October 1, 2007 Report Posted October 1, 2007 You have missed a development ... Joew says he went outside with the nephews to get 2x4's. Source please. Quote
jennie Posted October 1, 2007 Report Posted October 1, 2007 Source please. read back please. Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
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kengs333 Posted October 2, 2007 Author Report Posted October 2, 2007 Here's joe speaking to the media on the day of the attack. His words were "about four." Yes, I've seen that, and the earlier report which I believe was the earliest news coverage of the incident. I never heard that there was FIFTEEN assailants. Quote
noahbody Posted October 2, 2007 Report Posted October 2, 2007 read back please. What are you referring to? Your comment that there's a video? Quote
jennie Posted October 2, 2007 Report Posted October 2, 2007 (edited) That's NOT the link. It's a link to a bunch of links to stories about the incident. I'm not trying to defend a point of view, I want proof that there was a statement by Sam G. that they were attacked by FIFTEEN people. Prove there isn't! It wasn't me who said '15' anyway, but I remember reading it somewhere as I keep up with the news. Edited October 2, 2007 by jennie Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
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jbg Posted October 2, 2007 Report Posted October 2, 2007 The person who makes the claim has to provide the proof.A proof is a proof. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Posit Posted October 2, 2007 Report Posted October 2, 2007 The person who makes the claim has to provide the proof. So many of your posts are just complete nonsense. PROVE IT! Provide a link that shows that this is in the rule book......Or are you just trying to make up the rules as you go along? The point is, if you are going to participate in a discussion on a current event, you had better keep up with the news YOURSELF. No one needs to spoon feed the forum unless you are saying you are a baby and can't speak for yourself. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 2, 2007 Report Posted October 2, 2007 PROVE IT! Provide a link that shows that this is in the rule book......Or are you just trying to make up the rules as you go along?. RESEARCH YOUR POST If you are stating a fact, be prepared to back it up with some official sources (websites, links etc). Thank-You, Come Again Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
noahbody Posted October 2, 2007 Report Posted October 2, 2007 (edited) Prove there isn't! It wasn't me who said '15' anyway, but I remember reading it somewhere as I keep up with the news. Your accusation is that Joe changed his story. From the souces provided to you, it shows he's been consistent from day one. End of that conspiracy theory. As far as Joe even being there, what do you think is more likely 1) native youth sees someone with Sam and assumes it's Joe 2) Joe watches his brother being beaten. Then, once the violence has stopped, he goes and hides in the tool box in the back of the truck so no one knows he's there so he can get a ride to the hospital, not that it would make a difference if he was there or not? Doesn't seem too likely does it? If you want to specualte, at least do it based upon facts. Also, do you know if Byron Powless, one of the 18-year old men who has a warrant out for his arrest, is related to spokesperson Clyde Powless? Edited October 2, 2007 by noahbody Quote
jennie Posted October 2, 2007 Report Posted October 2, 2007 (edited) Your accusation is that Joe changed his story. From the souces provided to you, it shows he's been consistent from day one. End of that conspiracy theory. As far as Joe even being there, what do you think is more likely 1) native youth sees someone with Sam and assumes it's Joe 2) Joe watches his brother being beaten. Then, once the violence has stopped, he goes and hides in the tool box in the back of the truck so no one knows he's there so he can get a ride to the hospital, not that it would make a difference if he was there or not? Doesn't seem too likely does it?If you want to specualte, at least do it based upon facts. Also, do you know if Byron Powless, one of the 18-year old men who has a warrant out for his arrest, is related to spokesperson Clyde Powless? That was ¨Posit's statement. No I don't know and I would not assume so. I think the answer is number 2. I can't find the original statement by Joe. However here's one .... The man’s brother, Joe, told CHCH-TV that more than three individuals attacked Gualtieri and that his nephew saw a native protester hitting him over the head with what may have been an oak railing. I think Joe's story under oath will be interesting. Edited October 2, 2007 by jennie Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
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jennie Posted October 2, 2007 Report Posted October 2, 2007 Well, at least you can admit that the claim that the Gautieri's were confronted by FIFTEEN Indians is likely false. Please try to base your comments on fact, not rumours swirling around the Rez. Another report said there were about 15 Six Nations youth on the site. Perhaps Joe reported that, and it got misconstrued. Likely some confusion there. Who knows how rumours grow ... or perhaps he did imply that. His account of his own observations is very unclear. In fact he reports only what the nephews saw. It is weird. That is not the key point, though it relates to the issue of the veracity of Joe's account ... did he and nephews leave his brother Sam alone while "more than three individuals" attacked him ? ? ? ? That is the issue. WHAT DID JOE SEE THAT HE IS NOT TELLING? As it turned out there was first a 15 year old, apparently pinned to the wall by Sam, and then two 18 year olds to rescue the younger brother. (If you were Joe you'd be yelling to the nephews to go get weapons, and wading in yourself to help your brother, now against three, but Joe reports nothing of the kind. Weird.) And btw in our society "Youth" programs, such as the Native Youth Movement and Youth Challenge International, etc. etc. include ages 14 or 16-25 (secondary-postsecondary). Technically, though, the 18 year olds are also legally adults ... "men". Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
noahbody Posted October 2, 2007 Report Posted October 2, 2007 Another report said there were about 15 Six Nations youth on the site. Perhaps Joe reported that, and it got misconstrued. Likely some confusion there. Who knows how rumours grow ... or perhaps he did imply that. His account of his own observations is very unclear. In fact he reports only what the nephews saw. It is weird.That is not the key point, though it relates to the issue of the veracity of Joe's account ... did he and nephews leave his brother Sam alone while "more than three individuals" attacked him ? ? ? ? That is the issue. WHAT DID JOE SEE THAT HE IS NOT TELLING? As it turned out there was first a 15 year old, apparently pinned to the wall by Sam, and then two 18 year olds to rescue the younger brother. (If you were Joe you'd be yelling to the nephews to go get weapons, and wading in yourself to help your brother, now against three, but Joe reports nothing of the kind. Weird.) And btw in our society "Youth" programs, such as the Native Youth Movement and Youth Challenge International, etc. etc. include ages 14 or 16-25 (secondary-postsecondary). Technically, though, the 18 year olds are also legally adults ... "men". Shotgun Messiah used to sing a song with the lyrics "weirdo-rama psychodome, the lights are on, but nobody's home." Thanks I'm going to have that in my head all afternoon. Quote
jbg Posted October 3, 2007 Report Posted October 3, 2007 The point is, if you are going to participate in a discussion on a current event, you had better keep up with the news YOURSELF. No one needs to spoon feed the forum unless you are saying you are a baby and can't speak for yourself.Bull. The function of a board is to inform, not to insult. If you have some knowledge the person you're insulting doesn't have, share it. Don't just make inane insults. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
noahbody Posted October 3, 2007 Report Posted October 3, 2007 No I don't know and I would not assume so. That's odd, you assume Joe was there without reason. If I had to make a not so wild accusation, I'd say Byron is likely Clyde's second eldest son, knowing he's a father of three, his eldest son being 20 this year. Can't say for sure, but it would explain the story that only two natives were present. Dad would be pissed. Richard Smoke, on the otherhand, was conceived with a turkey baster. There's a video of this, I'm sure. But I can't show you. You've just got to believe me. While on the subject: Happy Thanksgiving. Quote
jennie Posted October 3, 2007 Report Posted October 3, 2007 (edited) PROVE IT! Provide a link that shows that this is in the rule book......Or are you just trying to make up the rules as you go along?The point is, if you are going to participate in a discussion on a current event, you had better keep up with the news YOURSELF. No one needs to spoon feed the forum unless you are saying you are a baby and can't speak for yourself. well said posit, and a bit of whiney one at that ... "speaks" is ok ... "reads" ? ... nada! Edited October 3, 2007 by jennie Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
jennie Posted October 3, 2007 Report Posted October 3, 2007 Bull. The function of a board is to inform, not to insult. If you have some knowledge the person you're insulting doesn't have, share it. Don't just make inane insults. It has already been posted, but yunguns cain't ferigen do ther one readin! They expect us to retell, repost, blah blah blah, and they can't be bothered reading back to catch up so we have to do it all over and over and over again!! -end rant- Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
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