capricorn Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 In A LONG WAY GONE: Memoirs of a Boy Soldier, Beah, now twenty-six years old, tells a powerfully gripping story: And today, Beah is a wealthy ex-child soldier. At least this one learned how to succeed in the western world instead of trying to destroy it. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jennie Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 JenniIf Canada ever made the request to bring this filfth home, I would make sure that I never voted for that party ever again. He gave up his right to Canadian citizenship and went back to his country of origin citizenship, the day he took part in the terroist activities. No one is requesting his return here, because no one wants him here. Only a few misguided individuals like yourself think he is worth anything. So since you are so concerned maybe you should go to Gitmo and help plead his case to the USA. You do have the right to do that you know. Why do you think others should take on this quest you have for a lost cause. The rest of his family should also be investigated about there beliefs and if it is found that they lied about this on their citizenship applications, then we should also send them back to where they came from as well. I get just so sick and tired of the whining people do over such things, when they know the majority just want to leave him where he is. The USA will return him to afghanistan, which is where they found him, and that will be that. His skill set is such that he knows how to build explosives and fire AK47's to cause the most damage to people. He believes that all of us are his enemy and if we do not convert to islam we should be put to death. So go snuggle up close to him and see what you can do to rehab him. Just do not ask our government for any thing that the majority of Canadians do not want to happen. Yes I realize there are some who would off-handedly counsel to destroy a young life, to satisfy their personal angst. I am not among them, obviously. And I get REALLY sick and tired of their whining. We are talking about a young man's life here. And you are worried about what ... your taxes? what? wtf does it matter to you personally that you wish a young man so ill? I would personally rather meet him in a dark alley than you. And you are wrong about how many people want him home. You are a extremist minority that unfortunately includes the government and its supporters. It is issues like this that show the inhumanity. It is disgraceful that Harper has not written a request. harumph!! hmmph!!! :angry: in my opinion Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
old_bold&cold Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 You go againthrow things like you actually have some sort of support in numbers. You do not and I can tell you that to most Canadians what you propose is only a very tiny minority. You will have to prove to me that numbers lie with your views, as if you look around the board here very few will take your point of view. So Hrrumph that Quote
jennie Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 (edited) You go againthrow things like you actually have some sort of support in numbers. You do not and I can tell you that to most Canadians what you propose is only a very tiny minority. You will have to prove to me that numbers lie with your views, as if you look around the board here very few will take your point of view. So Hrrumph that Well harruuummmppphhh U2 !!! we will just see about that ... won't we!! I wouldn't say it if I didn't believe it. And you can't prove me wrong, I'll bet. Got any data on your "majority"? :lol: Edited September 22, 2007 by jennie Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
Visionseeker Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 We live here in Canada where we elect people to run our country. For the most part the majority rules. So now take a look at those who think your way, and the large number that think our way. Yes it is a good thing that we the majority do rule the country at least. That way those who think like you, will be less likely to harm our way of life Well, considering that the Liberals have stood in power for 70 of the last 106 years, this would suggest that our way of life is predominantly Liberal. Quote
old_bold&cold Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 Well, considering that the Liberals have stood in power for 70 of the last 106 years, this would suggest that our way of life is predominantly Liberal. I will not disagree with ou on that point as it is simply a fact of the numbers. The trouble with Liberals are they get in and then start going more and more left until they are turfed and then we get some movement to the right, when what Canadians really want is a split of the two. I think it is very evident that Dion is not going to become PM. and in this thread about seeking help for Khadr is not going to endear him to the majority of people. Most people would like the wisdom of acadameia, tempered with the facts of the school of hard knock, with some charima thrown in. Not of that is Dion, or Harper for some as well. But we can accept dull if enlightened and realistic. That does describe Harper. Dion as a leader he just does not inspire any one to follow, and that is his worst enemy. The scandels were bad enough and their issues have not all yet been felt. It will be probaly several more governments before the Liberals will see power again. But yes there will be a time in the future where the people will want to again push more to the left then the right, and that will be the liberals time. Quote
jennie Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 ... when what Canadians really want is a split of the two. Boy, I could not agree with that more !! Seems to me party politics is just dividing us when we really want pretty much occupy the same ground, though perhaps with different approaches. I do think (sorry) that Harper is dull and unenlightened and unrealistic. What I think a lot of Canadians could get behind is Jim Prentice. He is very politically accomplished, strategic, and a man of integrity, an honest man. Ultimately a diplomat and statesman, I think. I don't think Dion will suffer for trying to help Omar Khadr. I don't think it could it any worse for him. Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
jbg Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 Khadr has served 6 years in a horrible prison.He is convicted of NO CRIME: His act is deemed an act of war and yet he has served more time than a Canadian youth would for murder. I totally cannot comprehend a mentality that has greater concern for the welfare of someone raised as a human weapon than for the safety of his/her/it's fellow Canadians. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 Maybe because the majority of Canadians don't want him in Canada. Do you personally believe he would be a positive addition to Canadian society? Sure. He could be a good accountant, lawyer, or business executive. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
ScottSA Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 Sure. He could be a good accountant, lawyer, or business executive. Or provide site security at Caledonia. Quote
Argus Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 I cant believe some of the posts Khadr was only 15 yrs old a child.We dont treat children's of 15 like adults in Canada.Blame his father hes was the bad guy Whatever he once was - he is now a grown man, a religious zealot who believes fervently in violence to bring about a new world order of Islamism. Do you want him living next door to you? Building his bombs in his garage? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 And the law be damned? I agree with lenwick. Khadr is the kind of kid we are trying to rescue from Sudan and other places. Who is this "we" you're talking about? Because Canadians clearly have no interest in "rescuing" this 21 year old killer from his US prison. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 A fifteen year old indoctrinated from his earliest age isn't a fifteen year old as you would understand one. Dan Gardner makes an excellent point in comparing Omar Khadr with Ishmael Beah And who have you actually heard from? Do any of these people constitute mental health professionals who've had the benefit of examining Khadr? Mental health professionals? You mean quacks? No, I haven't spoken to any quacks. Are you alleging Khadr is insane? Do you think all those religious wackos in the fundamentalist movement can be magically "cured" by some guy with a goatee talking to them and telling them it's all their mothers' faults for not loving them enough? I mean, what the hell... you're acting like a religious zealot can be cured by a psychologist! Gee! Maybe we should have tried that against the hard-core Communists in the fifties too! Yup. De-programming and post-traumatic stress treatments never work Post traumatic stress treatment? You are completely misapplying terms and ideas here. This guy is not a victim of stress, okay. He's been raised a certain way, in a certain religion. Historically, people like that have allowed themselves to be tortured to death rather than change their views. This guy is not going to change his religious beliefs because of one hour sessions with a shrink. As for de-programming, that only works when it's being used against people who have had a thin layer of indoctrination pasted over a lifelong base of social behaviour and beliefs. That is far from the case here. This man has been raised since birth to be a religious fundamentalist. He has fought and killed, seen his father and brothers killed in the cause. He is not about to give it up because Doctor Phil has a gentle chat with him. Oh I see, those namby-pamby liberal therapists with all their books and research to back-up their knowledge and skills are know-nothings when stacked-up against your ever intuitive gut-instincts. No, they're pretty much know-nothings when stacked up against a hard-hat directing traffic in front of a road crew. Does the term "soft science" mean anything to you? Psychology is famous for pronouncing people perfectly sane and cured the day before they slaughter their neighbours. It is an intuitive "science" without any real solid base of provable fact. That is why for every diagnosis in a criminal case you have a counter-diagnosis from the other side. When Khadr is released, I hope we commit what is necessary to help him rehabilitate. Perhaps he might eventually share his experiences with young people to show them just how destructive a force hate can be. Mindless, unthinking liberal blather. Send him back to Afghanistan and let them hang him. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 He is Canadian. We really do need to revamp our citizenship laws. We should not be granting citizenship to every piece of world trash that washes up on our shores, or their sickly offspring. Khadr was not a Canadian in any sense but technical. He grew up in the culture of Islamism and went from country to country in the middle east acclimating himself to their climate of hatred and primitivism. There is little or nothing he shared in common with young boys growing up in Canada. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 Ah yes, the rights of the individual as determined through public opinion. Kind of brings me back to those witch buring days. Individuals have the rights the group grants. If you care to think about it that has never and will never change. He is a member of Canadian society (born in Toronto), not an addition. He has never really been a member of Canadian society. Simply because a dog gives birth on a stove that does not make the resulting litter into a box of cookies. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 And today, Beah is a wealthy ex-child soldier. At least this one learned how to succeed in the western world instead of trying to destroy it. The problem is no one is writing stories about all the other child soldiers who are beating their wives, punching out their neighbours, cutting throats on dark street corners and rifling the purses of old ladies they pushed in front of buses. In Canada, we parole people before they serve their full sentence, and let people out on bail before their trials. No doubt in many cases, those individuals go on the straight and narrow from then on. But what of the rest? The Ontario Tories are running ads at the moment claiming that 70% of murders in this province are committed by people on parole or bail. That is the result to society of the failures. We cannot only look at exceptions. We have to look at the whole group. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
M.Dancer Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 I totally cannot comprehend a mentality that has greater concern for the welfare of someone raised as a human weapon than for the safety of his/her/it's fellow Canadians. It's against the law to try a POW for his lawful duty. But Khadr is an unlawful combattant, he could have been just summararily exucuted. He should stay in jail like a POW till the war is over. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jennie Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 It's against the law to try a POW for his lawful duty. But Khadr is an unlawful combattant, he could have been just summararily exucuted. He should stay in jail like a POW till the war is over. The US military court found that he was NOT an unlawful combatant. I find a lot of imaginative making up of 'facts' and fearmongering on this page, but not a lot of insight into the real issues. A lot of ill will, but not a lot of humanity. A lot of ignorant and inflammatory speculation but absolutely no knowledge of the psychological issues involved. I would suggest that those of you whose knee jerk response is to recommend execution would be happier living in a more totalitarian country. You obviously do not have even an inkling of what democracy and freedom and humanity are about. -fini- Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
ScottSA Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 -fini- I take it you have decided to become a French Film Producer? Quote
kimmy Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 Do we 'rehabilitate' child soldiers by putting them in prison? I doubt it.What would we prosecute him for? If he was a legal combatant, what was his crime? Killing is ugly, but not a crime in war. Ok, so on the one hand you have this enthusiasm that Khadr could be brought back to Canada and "rehabilitated", but on the other hand you're fully aware of the idea that we have no means to actually make him undergo any sort of rehabilitation. So what you're really saying is that he should be brought back to Canada and set free, correct? Yup. De-programming and post-traumatic stress treatments never work. It's all just a great big scam don't you know?[/sarcasm] Same question to you: if we can't prosecute this guy, then under what pretense can we hold him and force him to undergo "deprogramming"? The name Ishmael Beah has been bandied about in this thread, but Beah was able to be held in the custody of UN aid workers while he was rehabilitated. Under what pretense could Canadian law allow Khadr to be detained and "deprogrammed"? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
jennie Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 Ok, so on the one hand you have this enthusiasm that Khadr could be brought back to Canada and "rehabilitated", but on the other hand you're fully aware of the idea that we have no means to actually make him undergo any sort of rehabilitation. So what you're really saying is that he should be brought back to Canada and set free, correct?Same question to you: if we can't prosecute this guy, then under what pretense can we hold him and force him to undergo "deprogramming"? The name Ishmael Beah has been bandied about in this thread, but Beah was able to be held in the custody of UN aid workers while he was rehabilitated. Under what pretense could Canadian law allow Khadr to be detained and "deprogrammed"? -k I say we bring him home and provide services here. What's the big deal? Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
kimmy Posted September 22, 2007 Report Posted September 22, 2007 I say we bring him home and provide services here. What's the big deal? As I said in my previous message: "we have no means to actually make him undergo any sort of rehabilitation." -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
jennie Posted September 23, 2007 Report Posted September 23, 2007 As I said in my previous message: "we have no means to actually make him undergo any sort of rehabilitation." -k Well he isn't getting it where he is, for certain, amd that is no excuse for not bringing him home. Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
Visionseeker Posted September 23, 2007 Report Posted September 23, 2007 Sure. He could be a good accountant, lawyer, or business executive. Only if the treatment fails. Quote
jennie Posted September 23, 2007 Report Posted September 23, 2007 Only if the treatment fails. :lol: Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
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