Arar documents confirm role of CIA, FBI

[Leafless]

Not to be too picky here, but I think the whole point of police surveillance is that the person being watched has no clue that they are being followed. Surveillance would be pretty pointless if the suspects knew about it.

I know how surveillance works.

Outside of wire tapping one would have to be really dumb not to know one is under surveillance.

I served jury duty and it was a riot to hear the punks explain, in this certain case, how obvious it was they were being followed and kept under surveillance.

Do you not know how criminal investigations and trials work?

Yes I do.

You think a criminal trial would "uncover plenty that the inquiry did not have the power to investigate?"

Yes, because there is no evidence that Arar's investigation was over at the point the U.S. detained and deported Arar.

It is obvious that U.S. actions in deporting Arar, blew the case relating to any further investigation.

But who's fault is this?

If Arar only had a single Canadian citizenship, he would have been deported to CANADA and in all likelihood the U.S/RCMP/CSIS investigation would have certainly continued and perhaps more solid incriminating evidence could have been acquired to bring Arar to trial.

It is obvious these two ingredients, Arar's dual citizenship and U.S. decision to deport Arar to his native homeland as a Syrian, left Canada holding the bag by implementing a VOLUNTARY inquiry and IMO, this should never have happened in order to preserve the integrity of Canada's national security. Arar's lawyers should have been told to take a walk.

Arar's decission to fly in a time of terrorism especially being a dual citizen was plain dumb.

Edited August 17, 2007 by Leafless

[jbg]

If Canada wanted to make a special surcharge on the price of oil for the USA only, it can do so and there is nothing the USA can do about that, other then find another supplier. Good luck with that as most oil exporting countries, could not come close to suppling the USA it needs, and many wouldn't do so even if they could.

If that could be done, what would likely happen is that the resulting unsold Canadian crude would go to Japan, at a higher shipping expense, and Indonesian crude bound for Japan would come to the United States. Because the price is set in a world market, the producing countries, i.e. Canada, would pay for this foolishness.

So yes I am biased towards hating Bush and his administration, but I do not vote in USA elections, so I can not throw them out of office. But I am patient and I also can see the day when the elephant in the room will soon be easy to control, because the USA has not been self sufficient in anuything for many decades now. That history will tell you is something that bhappens right before great empires fall.

For some reason, Bush personally incites hatred. The actions he's taking on most issues are identical to ones any President in his shoes would have to take.

[jbg]

It is obvious that U.S. actions in deporting Arar, blew the case relating to any further investigation.

But who's fault is this?

If Arar only had a single Canadian citizenship, he would have been deported to CANADA and in all likelihood the U.S/RCMP/CSIS investigation would have certainly continued and perhaps more solid incriminating evidence could have been acquired to bring Arar to trial.

It is obvious these two ingredients, Arar's dual citizenship and U.S. decision to deport Arar to his native homeland as a Syrian, left Canada holding the bag by implementing a VOLUNTARY inquiry and IMO, this should never have happened in order to preserve the integrity of Canada's national security. Arar's lawyers should have been told to take a walk.

Arar's decission to fly in a time of terrorism especially being a dual citizen was plain dumb.

If Arar had gone to a normal vacation destination, not necessarily. I would not call Afghanistan and Tunisia garden spots of the world That kind of trip would and should set off alarm bells. Frankly, any immigrant who comes to the Western Hemisphere theoretically comes to better their lives. Involvement in extremist politics of the lands they left behind is a red flag.