scribblet Posted August 9, 2007 Report Posted August 9, 2007 I don't get it, why wouldn't we use that money to attract Canadian students who can't afford those studies. It doesn't make sense. Are no Canadians applying for these courses, and why a pressing need to attract foreign students? http://www.recorder.ca/cp/National/070809/n080961A.html Canada launches scholarship program to attract more Chinese students TORONTO (CP) - The federal government launched a new scholarship program Wednesday aimed at drawing China's top students to Canada to study health research. Up to 30 scholarships will be awarded each year to allow Chinese students to pursue doctorates at Canadian universities. The scholarships are for a study period of four to five years. The first recipients are scheduled to begin this fall. Health Minister Tony Clement announced the initiative at a hospital in Gravenhurst, Ont. He says Canada has a pressing need to attract more top foreign students to work in the area of health research. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
M.Dancer Posted August 9, 2007 Report Posted August 9, 2007 I don't get it, why wouldn't we use that money to attract Canadian students who can't afford those studies. It doesn't make sense. Are no Canadians applying for these courses, and why a pressing need to attract foreign students?http://www.recorder.ca/cp/National/070809/n080961A.html Canada launches scholarship program to attract more Chinese students TORONTO (CP) - The federal government launched a new scholarship program Wednesday aimed at drawing China's top students to Canada to study health research. Up to 30 scholarships will be awarded each year to allow Chinese students to pursue doctorates at Canadian universities. Probably not. At the doctorate level, candidates become a rarified breed and there is a fair amount of international competition to attract them. I sat in at a meeting a few years ago with the editorial staff of the alumni magazine of a large canadian university and I was astounded to hear what other universities and countries offer doctoral candidates. At that level of academia, no canadian student is rejected for lack of tuition, they all receive scholarships one way or another. I think this is a good move and is necessary is we want to stay competitive in health research. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
mikedavid00 Posted August 10, 2007 Report Posted August 10, 2007 Up to 30 scholarships will be awarded each year to allow Chinese students to pursue doctorates at Canadian universities. The scholarships are for a study period of four to five years. Wow. I'm just so mad right now I can't respond. Omg.. We just sink lower and lower. The self hatred in this country is unseen anywhere else in the world. I'm just so pissed off right now... Quote ---- Charles Anthony banned me for 30 days on April 28 for 'obnoxious libel' when I suggested Jack Layton took part in illegal activities in a message parlor. Claiming a politician took part in illegal activity is not rightful cause for banning and is what is discussed here almost daily in one capacity or another. This was really a brownshirt style censorship from a moderator on mapleleafweb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1oGB-BKdZg---
scribblet Posted August 10, 2007 Author Report Posted August 10, 2007 I don't agree with it unless they cannot find any Canadian students to take the scholarships. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
M.Dancer Posted August 10, 2007 Report Posted August 10, 2007 I don't agree with it unless they cannot find any Canadian students to take the scholarships. Like I said, i would wager every canadian doctoral candidate has a position. Many in foreign universities where they have been recruited and where they are treated like stars. Not like football stars mind you....but treated very well academically, given access to labs and equipment that mere medical students see only in passing..... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Bonam Posted August 10, 2007 Report Posted August 10, 2007 Universities and nations all around the world compete for highly qualified candidates of this sort. There is always a shortage of personnel for positions in advanced research, which is why universities compete to attract them. Think about it people, we are talking about medical research. These are very smart people, who will have no/little trouble integrating, and who will contribute to Canada far more than the average Canadian, even if they head back to their countries after getting their degrees. Does it really matter where someone's from if they develop cures to diseases that affect everyone? Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 10, 2007 Report Posted August 10, 2007 Universities and nations all around the world compete for highly qualified candidates of this sort. There is always a shortage of personnel for positions in advanced research, which is why universities compete to attract them. Think about it people, we are talking about medical research. These are very smart people, who will have no/little trouble integrating, and who will contribute to Canada far more than the average Canadian, even if they head back to their countries after getting their degrees. Does it really matter where someone's from if they develop cures to diseases that affect everyone? Absolutely. I know someone who is now a professer at Bucknel. As an undergrad he had to compete to get into the university of his choice. By the time he was ready to advance to the doctoral stage, he had representitives flying in to visit him in order to make presentations about their programme and what the academic opportunities might be. Now this fellow is a political theorist.....imagine the competition for those people whose research can end up with a cure for ..... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
mikedavid00 Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 Absolutely. I know someone who is now a professer at Bucknel. As an undergrad he had to compete to get into the university of his choice. By the time he was ready to advance to the doctoral stage, he had representitives flying in to visit him in order to make presentations about their programme and what the academic opportunities might be. Now this fellow is a political theorist.....imagine the competition for those people whose research can end up with a cure for ..... Canada makes cures for things? Gee where I have I been. And why China? Why not France or Australia? Why is this program Racist and Racist gets? This is real racism. Quote ---- Charles Anthony banned me for 30 days on April 28 for 'obnoxious libel' when I suggested Jack Layton took part in illegal activities in a message parlor. Claiming a politician took part in illegal activity is not rightful cause for banning and is what is discussed here almost daily in one capacity or another. This was really a brownshirt style censorship from a moderator on mapleleafweb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1oGB-BKdZg---
M.Dancer Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 Canada makes cures for things?Gee where I have I been. Give your head a sniff. That should give you an idea. Cameron A. Ackerley, Peter R. Durie, M. James Phillips, Geraldine Kent described the definitive experimental model of Cystic Fibrosis in which the whole spectrum of organ pathology seen in man is reproduced. This model is now the standard for investigative work in cystic fibrosis e.g. pre-clinical gene therapy studies. John W. Callahan with Don J. Mahuran and Richard D. Bagshaw published a comprehensive proteomic file of lysososomal integral-membrane proteins which is an invaluable clinical and research resource. 2003 Tom Wolever identifies that Acarbose improves the glycemic profile and insulin sensitivity in elderly patients with type 2 diabetes who are inadequately controlled on diet alone. Raymond Tellier, Susan Richardson, Anne Matlow and co-workers played important roles in the 2003 Toronto SARS outbreak, developing the first molecular diagnostic test for SARS-Co V in Toronto (Tellier), for describing SARS infection in children (Richardson, Tellier, Matlow), for development of infection control guidelines for adults and children (Matlow), and for developing and refining diagnostic testing for SARS-Co V infection (Richardson, Tellier). 2002 Josef Penninger and Peter Backx Scientists have identified two genes, known as angiotesin converting enzyme (ACE) 1 and 2, with critical roles in heart function – one contributes to heart failure and the other protects against it Tom Wolever discovered that Acarbose prevents type 2 diabetes. Low glycemic improves beta-cell function in the people with impaired glucose. Tony Pawson and Frank Sicheri solved the structure of a protein, called EphB2, a molecule that is known to be active in colon cancer. This work revealed how a particular part of the EphB2 protein, called the juxtamembrane region, is responsible for turning the protein on. Khosrow Adeli discovered the underlying mechanism of diabetic dyslipidemia using an animal model which has far reaching implications in the understanding and management of both obesity and diabetes. M. James Phillips, Gary A Levy, Philip A. Marsden and co-workers discovered the critical involvement of the human fgl2 (prothrombinase) gene in the pathogenesis of fulminant viral hepatitis in man as had been shown in mice. 2001 Tony Pawson and Mike Tyers have identified a way in which our cells regulate when and if genetic material (DNA) is duplicated. M. James Phillips, Renxue Wang, Ibrahim M. Yousef, Victor Ling and co-workers discovered that targeted deletion of the main bile acid transporter in mice (spgp gene) was non-fatal because the animals developed a new polyhydroxylated bile acid which is excreted by a previously unknown canalicular membrane bile acid transporter. Jim Dennis and others identified the Mgat5 gene and a family of Sugar-binding proteins called galectins as a key regulator of T cells in the immune system. Benoit Bruneau and others have created the first mouse model relevant to the study of congenital heart disease in humans. Gabrielle deVeber completed the first large-scale, multi-centre study to determine the incidence and characteristics of sinovenous thrombosis, a type of stroke that occurs in children due to blood clots blocking the brain’s venous flow, establishing that this condition in children is a serious disorder that results in neurological impairment or death in half the cases. Cynthia Guidos, identified an important mechanism that determines how white blood cells develop. This discovery provides insight on how the immune system develops, both in normal and disease states. Michael Salter in collaboration with Josef Penninger’s laboratory came to the discovery of a new genetic mechanism involved in pain modulation that could lead to an entirely new approach to pain control. Khosrow Adeli provided the first evidence that a link exists between an insulin signalling gene (Protein Tyrosine Phosphatase 1B) and the development of hyperlipidemia (increased blood levels of cholesterol and triglycerides) in an animal models of diabetes. Stephen Scherer, and Lucy Osborne identified a previously unknown genetic basis for Williams syndrome. Williams syndrome is a genetic condition (estimated to occur in one in 20,000 people worldwide) which causes medical and developmental problems. Charles Deber discovered a protein defect that underlies a milder form of cystic fibrosis, also known as pancreatic sufficient CF, which occurs in 10-15 per cent of CF patients. Michael Dosch led a team of researchers to determine that multiple sclerosis (MS) and type I (juvenile) diabetes mellitus are far more closely linked than previously thought, including the role cow milk protein as a risk factor in the development of both diseases for people who are genetically susceptible. Lori West lead her research team to discover that infant heart transplants can be performed safely and successfully despite major blood type incompatibility between the donor and the recipient. Stephen Scherer and post-doctoral fellow Kazukiko Nakabayashi discovered what the largest gene is possibly in the human genome, with 100 times the chemical agents than the average gene. Johanna Rommens, identified the ELAC2 gene that leads to inherited prostate cancer. Josef Penninger and others identify the CD45 protein, one of many switches responsible for turning off hormones and proteins that control the human immune system. 2000 Ernest Cutz discovered a new form of congenital surfactant deficiency and a new variant of pulmonary interstitial lung disease in infants. Tony Miller, Cornelia Baines and others report results from the Canadian National Breast Screening Study for women age 50 to 59. The study shows more cancer detection for women undergoing annual mammography in addition to clinical breast exam and self-examination, but early diagnosis of breast cancer is not resulting in fewer deaths. Mary Hannah and others complete the International Term Breech Trial and discover that delivery by caesarean section is best for breech babies at term and does not increase the risk for the mother. Reza Emami develops a software program designed to help identify and classify genes that are linked to illness. After studying the entire genome of an organism and grouping similar genes into families, the program can look at a virus or tumour and identify the genes that have an impact on the infected cell. Janet Rossant is elected to the Royal Society in recognition of her work on the genetic control of normal and abnormal development in the early mouse embryo that provides insight into what can go wrong in early pregnancy. Peter St George-Hyslop and others announce that a new Alzheimer’s vaccine is ready to be tested on human subjects. Geoff Clarke and others demonstrate that mutant genes that contribute to inherited neurodegenerative conditions like retinal degeneration and Parkinson’s disease confer a constant risk of programmed cell death. Josef Penninger and others discover a protein that suppresses colorectal cancer in mice and human cell cultures. Roderick McInnes and others identify retinal stem cells in the adult eye, a discovery that opens the door for retinal regeneration as a possible cure for damaged or diseased eyes. Emanuela Mundo and others identify a genetic variable prevalent in individuals with obsessive-compulsive disorder, a discovery that may provide insight into the cause and treatment of this disease. http://www.facmed.utoronto.ca/alumni/breakthroughs.htm#2000 More...... http://www.lhsc.on.ca/About_Us/LHSC/Who_We...eakthroughs.htm http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/1999/11/17/egg991117.html Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted August 15, 2007 Report Posted August 15, 2007 And one more from today's paper...... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...eandHealth/home Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
mikedavid00 Posted August 20, 2007 Report Posted August 20, 2007 And one more from today's paper......http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...eandHealth/home Everything you posted was useless, a-typical, normal discoveries that any research team anywhere in the world can make. The issue is a solutions and bringing a product to market. Canada simply doens't play this game along with the rest of the world because we don not have private money in reasearch and our serious researches move to the US where they can be funded properly. What we have is a 'toy' or 'game' that these researches are playing around with. It's at the expense of our tax dollars. REAL modern medical research, meds, and cures happen in the US almost exlusively. Quote ---- Charles Anthony banned me for 30 days on April 28 for 'obnoxious libel' when I suggested Jack Layton took part in illegal activities in a message parlor. Claiming a politician took part in illegal activity is not rightful cause for banning and is what is discussed here almost daily in one capacity or another. This was really a brownshirt style censorship from a moderator on mapleleafweb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1oGB-BKdZg---
gc1765 Posted August 20, 2007 Report Posted August 20, 2007 At that level of academia, no canadian student is rejected for lack of tuition, they all receive scholarships one way or another. As someone who is pursuing a doctorate in health research, I'll give my two cents about how it is funded here in Canada... At my University (each department may differ), every graduate student (at least those in health research) is paid to go to school. Some of that money comes from working as a teaching assistant (helping with labs, marking tests etc.) part-time. In addition to that, students do research which is paid for through grants obtained by the research supervisor (usually from the Government). Students may also qualify for scholarships, but they are very difficult to get. If a student gets a scholarship, they are paid for by the Government, which gives the students two advantages: 1. They don't have to work as a teaching assistant, giving them more time to do research 2. Their supervisor does not have to pay them through their grant money, which means the student has a lot more options about where they want to work (who's going to turn down free labour right?). Unfortunately, the link doesn't seem to work so it's hard to get more information. I agree it seems strange to only offer it to Chinese students...what about other foreign students? Or having more scholarhips for students in Canada? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
marcinmoka Posted August 21, 2007 Report Posted August 21, 2007 I'm just so pissed off right now... Channel that anger into a productive form. MikeDavid00, why don't you just apply for a research grant in string theory research or bio-chem engineering? REAL modern medical research, meds, and cures happen in the US almost exlusively. The majority, but no where near exclusively. And the majority of these students come from abroad. They try and skim the best of the best in the world, I would surely hope we can do like wise. They discover it, we patent it. Sounds like a good trade-off. Quote " Influence is far more powerful than control"
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