the next federal elections

[flaquisimo]

I sent the three leaders of the democratic parties in the House the following suggestion that I hope invision members will evaluate and add their critical comments.

Secretariat of Mr. Dion, with pertinent copies.

Respected Leaders of the Liberal, NDP and Green Parties,

Mr. Danny Williams, Hon NL Premier, has been eloquent in persuading most Canadian electors that in the next election the conservatives must be expelled from Parliament, because of their betrayal of Canada and of the rights of all Canadians. The majority favorable to contain the present conservative fraud is evident in every community, even if the corporate press hides the polls that demonstrate that the conservatives are around 10 points below the Liberals on the grass roots of the electorate.

The adoption of a Democratic electoral system of proportional representation will facilitate the objectives to:

1) Elect Mr. Dion as the Prime Minister because he is honest, has solutions for the problems and is capable to act and take decisions,

2) Give proportional representation in Parliament to the other democratic parties, the NDP and the Green, as members of the governing coalition, and

3) Give the Conservatives the Opposition with the number of MPs that corresponds exactly to the lowest percentage that they will receive in the next election.

The Opposition today which is presently a majority not counting the Bloc could pass a reform to the electoral system of Canada and achieve proportional representation in the House of Commons. There are many formulas existing in advanced democracies and the coalition of Liberals, NDPs and Greens could adopt the simplest which is the national percentage must be reflected in the final structure of the House.

For instance, in the next election nationally the Liberals may obtain 35%, the conservatives 30%, the NDP 25% and the Green 10% (I ignore the bloc for simplicity of numbers). If the House has 305 MPs, the Liberals would sit 107, the Conservatives 92, the NDP 77 and the Green would sit 30, which give 306 because there are no fractioned MPs. Well, the next Parliament will have 306 members. The leaders must now make a formal honorable agreement to go to the elections as a democratic coalition that would represent all Canadians. One week before the election, in every riding the three presidents must evaluate the status of the campaign, and withdraw the two candidates that are rated 2nd and 3rd in the coalition. The Conservatives who are destined to be the Opposition can do whatever they wish with their members. It will not affect the results and, in the example, will fatally get 92 MPs, probably none of them ex ministers, but new comers of the progressive wing of the party that today does not exist.

The coalition is an emergency in the present political circus. It must be a temporary, disciplined association of responsible political entities that go to the House to represent the Canadian people and to honor their electoral commitments by implementing the solutions that deserved the attention and the vote of the electorate. In that coalition the Liberals would have overall responsibility in Foreign Affairs, Trade, Defense, in ensuring the fiscal equality among provinces and territories, and would manage the standards of excellence of Medicare, Social Services and Education. The members in the Coalition are: 107 + 77 +30 = 214, and their percentages at the interior of the group are 50% liberal ministers, 36% NDP Ministers and 14% Green Ministers. The coalition must remain united and bonded until all the electoral promises have been implemented. After that, the parties may recover their independence if they so wish because the Coalition was temporary necessary to rescue the Nation from the catastrophe of Harper.

I am sure that the three political parties of this mythical coalition may think that I am dreaming in Technicolor. Those politicians in the three parties that could be considered statespersons may appreciate that either the political parties discipline themselves in a democratic coalition accountable to the electorate, or they will ruin the future by allowing the fraud of Harper to continue as cynically as is being paraded today. This is the only solution that will sustain the proposals of Mr. Danny Williams. Politicians must cut themselves to size: Global Warming demands statespersons. The demagogues of all the political parties in Canada (that are too many) are now a vanishing species.

You must all retain that the catastrophic political emergency is real as long as Harper is permitted to expand the fraud of his Government and that there is still time to approve in the House an electoral law that will give Canada proportional representation.

Respectfully,

Jorge Torrealba,

Halifax, NS.

Cc: The Three Leaders,

Mr. Danny Williams, NL Premier,

Presidents of the three political parties.

[jawapunk]

Is this a topic or were you looking for praise for writing a letter? If you think that this letter has the power to change the consitution of Canada, I would think again.

I am not entirely sure what you are asking for either. I am assuming you are asking for leaders to step aside from party lines and fight for a number of causes that counteract the ruling conservatives. IT seems like you are also asking leaders not to go into the next election to win a majority but to form a coalition. Have you met any politicians? Even Danny Williams would never want to "share" power. They all think they are correct on every point they make, they will always vote based on popular political lines, ie. ones that for the most part get them reelected and this means switching sides and voting along lines that do not necessarily reflect the party or the representative population.

[flaquisimo]

Is this a topic or were you looking for praise for writing a letter? If you think that this letter has the power to change the consitution of Canada, I would think again.

I am not entirely sure what you are asking for either. I am assuming you are asking for leaders to step aside from party lines and fight for a number of causes that counteract the ruling conservatives. IT seems like you are also asking leaders not to go into the next election to win a majority but to form a coalition. Have you met any politicians? Even Danny Williams would never want to "share" power. They all think they are correct on every point they make, they will always vote based on popular political lines, ie. ones that for the most part get them reelected and this means switching sides and voting along lines that do not necessarily reflect the party or the representative population.

[flaquisimo]

Jawapunk

I enjoy your sarcasm. Of course, all demagogues in all our political parties only want power. However, serious people like Mr. Zuzuki, Mr. Gore etc. indicate that our politics must let science ste in to rescue the future of the planet. The liking or dislikings of politicians have no meaning in the real problem of Humanity.

The concept of coalition exists in several advanced democracies of Europe. In Canada we have never had coalision because we are not a democracy but a reactionary tirany of power against power ignoring the needs of Canada or canadians.

If we are a democracy and if we feel responsible for the future we must abandon politicking and we must grow up to the physical reality of the planet.

That's what I think, Jawapunk, and I have no intention of showing off anything that I do not possess.

Jo9rge

[ScottSA]

Jawapunk

I enjoy your sarcasm. Of course, all demagogues in all our political parties only want power. However, serious people like Mr. Zuzuki, Mr. Gore etc.

:lol: Well, there goes reality out the window...

[flaquisimo]

:lol: Well, there goes reality out the window...

[noahbody]

At the time of the election of Pierre Trudeau the country was in a stride of confidence and expectation. The most prominent Canadian of the twenty century had to be elected to preserve the tradition of Canada, our enviable economy and a culture of democracy, social justice and human dignity. Trudeau satisfied all our expectations and left power with his head high, being carried by the respect of the Nation.

Jorge, this is what you wrote in a letter to Mr. Dion. Let's compare the actions of Trudeau to Harper. You praise Trudeau, when his NEP devastated a province's economy, put thousands out of work and had many losing their homes. Harper, who you find catastrophic, is providing Newfoundland with more weatlh than they previously had.

As for the environment file, I assume you voted for the party responsible for signing onto an Accord willy nilly with no intention of honouring it. The party that didn't get it done. We need to get them back, quick!

[geoffrey]

Trudeau? Provided all Canadian with whaa??

The finger and decades of Western alienation?

What Trudeau did to Canada can never be fixed. He began what will eventually end this country.

[Michael Bluth]

Trudeau? Provided all Canadian with whaa??

The finger and decades of Western alienation?

What Trudeau did to Canada can never be fixed. He began what will eventually end this country.

I think you are being a little over the top there. Although I can see the point, and do only mean a little.

Maybe if you ended it with "end this county as we know it"...

[Fortunata]

... to rescue the Nation from the catastrophe of Harper.

lol, right on.

If Paul Martin was known as Mr. Dithers then Steve Harper should be known as Mr. Turncoat. Risking the ever-offered, repetitive and tired mantra of "scary, scary, scary" from one follower here, with Steve you just never know what will happen. Will he revert to his so called principled political beliefs before he was PM or will be prostitute those principles for more seats? Hmmmmmm.

[Michael Bluth]

Risking the ever-offered, repetitive and tired mantra of "scary, scary, scary" from one follower here, with Steve you just never know what will happen. Will he revert to his so called principled political beliefs before he was PM or will be prostitute those principles for more seats? Hmmmmmm.

The only thing that is ever-offered, repetitive and tired is the unsubstantiated questions that Harper will revert to some imagined set of scary scary scary socon policies at some point down the road.

He has been in power for a year and a half. Why not judge what he has done instead of trying to instill fear of what he 'might' do?

[Argus]

1) Elect Mr. Dion as the Prime Minister because he is honest, has solutions for the problems and is capable to act and take decisions

Do you tink it's easy to make priorities!!!??

I see no evidence Dion has solutions to anything. What is his solution to health care? To Afghanistan? To anything?

Honest? In what respect is he honest? Compared to Chretien and Martin? Perhaps. Dion was Chretien's chief Quebec minister throughout Sponsorgate. To suggest he wasn't aware of it all is painfully naive. Dion is an indecisive intellectual with little grasp on the everyday realities of real people or this country. Even Liberals are unenthusiastic about him.

2) Give proportional representation in Parliament to the other democratic parties, the NDP and the Green, as members of the governing coalition, and

I'm gonna take a guess here, that you pay no taxes. If you paid taxes you'd be more concerned with the enormous waste and expanded fiscal responsibilities such a coallition would take on.

3) Give the Conservatives the Opposition with the number of MPs that corresponds exactly to the lowest percentage that they will receive in the next election.

Would you like to explain to us why you hate the Conservatives, or are you even capable of putting that much thought into your silly and poorly informed political beliefs?

[Keepitsimple]

I'm pretty sure Flaquismo is trying to pull our leg - his tongue is planted firmly in his cheek - right Flaq? Either way, it's pretty humerous.....but he does touch on a subject that bothers me to no end, and that's this fluff about proportional representation. In it's pure form where you simply ignore ridings and count up the votes for each party - you get all the power centred in the big cities with a natural tendency towards Socialism (government will pay for everything). This leaves 90% of Canada's geography - our breadbasket, without adequate representation. That's why we have ridings - so that every part of Canada can have their say and send the representative of their choice to Parliament.

But back to Flaquismo - he was trying to be funny, wasn't he?

[Michael Bluth]

But back to Flaquismo - he was trying to be funny, wasn't he?

I doubt it. When he talks about 'serious people' like Al Gore and David Suzuki ... well you can tell he has probably already drank the kool aid.

[flaquisimo]

Hi, all the commentaztors,

I am delighted that there has been so much negative reaction to a proposal for democratic proportional representation. I have been looking in the internet since the catastrophe of the Harper Government for a group of reactionaries that I could amuse myself with their reactions. I believe in democracy, nationalism, political independence from Washington. freedom of trading with reciprocal bilateral partners, in fact, with all the things that used to be Canadian objectives until Mulroney gave Canada as a personal gift to his chum Reagan, the sublime actor that he never knew that he was really the elected president of the USA.

Non reactionaries read also invision. They will evaluate who is right and who is wrong. The increasing poverty in Canada is an inheritnace of reactionary governments such as Mulroney. Chretien, Martin and presently the fibbing Mr. Harper. Education is now available to the offsprings of filthy rich reactionaries, and the physical characteristics of Canada are attacked lby the Multinationals of dementend Mr. Bush. I am glad that most of the commentators believe I am speaking tongue in cheeck because, eitherwise, we should all commit suicide.

Good like fellows, enjoy your wrongly acquired provileges and keep laughing at Canada and Canadians.

Jorge Torrealba (Flaquisimo).

[White Doors]

catastrophe of the Harper Government

Can you be more precise?

thanks

The increasing poverty in Canada is an inheritnace of reactionary governments such as Mulroney. Chretien, Martin and presently the fibbing Mr. Harper.

poverty has been decreasing in Canada during this time period.

In fact, the poverty level is at it's lowest level ever.

http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/books/...nCanada2006.pdf

Education is now available to the offsprings of filthy rich reactionaries, and the physical characteristics of Canada are attacked lby the Multinationals of dementend Mr. Bush

You think education should not be provided to the rich?

Can you expand on this thought please?

thanks

eitherwise, we should all commit suicide

You should speak to a counselor if federal politics makes you feel thjis way.

There are great drugs available now.

Good like fellows, enjoy your wrongly acquired provileges and keep laughing at Canada and Canadians.

wrongly acquired priveledges? You are in favour of less freedoms? if you are can you be more specific on which freedoms we have you would like to curtail?

thanks

Jorge Torrealba

I would not recommend that you use your real name, if that is.

Edited August 17, 2007 by White Doors

[Fortunata]

The only thing that is ever-offered, repetitive and tired is the unsubstantiated questions that Harper will revert to some imagined set of scary scary scary socon policies at some point down the road.

He has been in power for a year and a half. Why not judge what he has done instead of trying to instill fear of what he 'might' do?

If it were anyone else, you would be asking the same question. It`s just because he`s your man that you don`t. It`s a legitimate concern.

[flaquisimo]

Dear Fortunata,

You are aboslutely right. We don't need to guess what Harper might do if he gets a majority government. It is enough to see what he has done in the year and a half of his minority government. Is Mr. Danny William lying to all the Canadian electors when he tells that he can prove that Harper is a liar and his word and his signature are not trustworthy? Is the minister Beard telling the truth about global warming and polutrion control in Canada when he speaks vaguely about what Canada would do to save the future of our children? Is the Minister Van something being honest when he refuses to answer all questions in question period and he always retorts with his broken record about the majority of liberals in the Senate? In the times of Mulroney there were a lot of conservative senators pushed by him to the Senate. If he did not achieve majority it is because the electorate throwed him out and left the Conservatives in the House reduced two merely two, before he could complete his nomination of conservative senators.

The litany is long but we may conclude noticing that the change of the mission of our troops that are dying in Afghanistan was made without consulting the House. That was unconstitutional as it is the enormous budget for the military without approval of the House.

Fortunata, it is easy to forget when you have anti-Canada, pro-American feelings, regarding the catastrophe for Canada and all Canadians that is the government of George W. Harper.

Best regards,

flaquisimo

Edited August 19, 2007 by flaquisimo

[Michael Bluth]

If it were anyone else, you would be asking the same question. It`s just because he`s your man that you don`t. It`s a legitimate concern.

Hmmm, that would be wrong.

The legitimate question is to judge somebody on their history.

Stephane Dion has performed extremely poorly as the leader of the official opposition. That is why he shouldn't be given the chance to be PM.

I'm not afraid of Dion becoming PM because I think he would radically change his style from what we have seen in the past nine months.

I'm afraid of Dion becoming PM because I think he will perform at the same level as PM as he has as OLO.

[Fortunata]

How far back do we go for history? Do we go back to the NCC days wherein the very same person as is now our PM thought Health Care should be dismantled for a private system? To where environmental issues were non issues? The firewall? His stance on staying out of Iraq? You know all of his flip flopping ... that's his history. His record is somewhat different but when will he get back to his real ideas on these issues. It is a legitimate concern and saying it is trying to instill fear is ignoring the history.

[Michael Bluth]

It is a legitimate concern and saying it is trying to instill fear is ignoring the history.

He has served as either official leader of the opposition or Prime Minister for 3 1/2 years now.

You can count Iraq as a flip flop if you want.

The firewall letter ain't all that bad. Harper's basic governing philosophy is in line with the contents of the letter. So judge him on what he has done recently which is in line with the contents of the letter.

Health care? Hmmm, the two-tier health care booger man again?

The Environment? They are setting solid goals on emissions reductions. Buying carbon credits is just plain stupid. A made in Canada solution is the best thing for Canadians.

The instillation of fear is pathetic. The people crying scary scary scary 'if he gets a majority' are the same one's who were crying scary scary scary 'if he ever becomes PM'. That's a pretty big flop flop there.

Edited August 21, 2007 by Michael Bluth

[Canuck E Stan]

You know all of his flip flopping ... that's his history. His record is somewhat different but when will he get back to his real ideas on these issues. It is a legitimate concern and saying it is trying to instill fear is ignoring the history.

You are ranting about the Liberals and Dion's history ......of course you are.

[Michael Bluth]

You are ranting about the Liberals and Dion's history ......of course you are.

As Environment Minister Stephane Dion didn't get it done.

That from one of his most trusted lieutenants.

[Argus]

As Environment Minister Stephane Dion didn't get it done.

That from one of his most trusted lieutenants.

Actually, Dion opposed action on Kyoto according to another former Liberal Environment Minister. He called his dog Kyoto in public to show how commited he was, but in private, at the cabinet table, he fought against doing anything.

There's honesty for ya.

[White Doors]

Imagine having a PM that names his dog after a failed environmental treaty?

how pathetic is that?

Isn't that a form of animal cruelty?