bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 (edited) Perhaps you're right. Perhaps no other country did build a highway in the way we built that highway, which was to ignore 1/3 of those who participated in the project because of their color."There was much praise for soldiers who pushed it through in just eight months and twelve days. However, Black battalions were seldom mentioned in publicity releases, despite the fact that they numbered 3,695 in troop strength of 10,670." Link Playing the victim song for them won't diminish their engineering feat and accomplishment in record time. They know what they did, regardless of race baiting, and whether "publicly" recognized or not. Funny part is that your first response was to dismiss the AlCan (and their efforts) as just another highway. Edited October 10, 2007 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moxie Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 I'm sick and tired of Canadians blaming the US for what ails us, are we so cowardly that we can't accept responsibility for our government failings? Apparently yes we are, the hatred hurled at the US is pandemic in Canada. Some in this country are becoming a nation of "Sir Whine Alots". I for one thank the US for providing ground and air support in Afghanistan to our troops, without the US our troops would be sitting at an Airport in Ontario. We have no heavy lift capabilities without the US we can't meet our NATO commitment. Thanks to the liberals, but thankfully our pals in the US military help us anyway. God bless them and their kindness. Quote Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy
trex Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 I'm sick and tired of Canadians blaming the US for what ails us, are we so cowardly that we can't accept responsibility for our government failings? Apparently yes we are, the hatred hurled at the US is pandemic in Canada. Some in this country are becoming a nation of "Sir Whine Alots".I for one thank the US for providing ground and air support in Afghanistan to our troops, without the US our troops would be sitting at an Airport in Ontario. We have no heavy lift capabilities without the US we can't meet our NATO commitment. Thanks to the liberals, but thankfully our pals in the US military help us anyway. God bless them and their kindness. thats true, but dont forget we are also there at the request of the united states, they asked us to help them in their war on terror, and we agreed. they were attacked on september 11, and we helped them. that is why the us attacked afghanistan, remember... so its nice for them to help us, help them! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 thats true, but dont forget we are also there at the request of the united states, they asked us to help them in their war on terror, and we agreed. they were attacked on september 11, and we helped them. that is why the us attacked afghanistan, remember... so its nice for them to help us, help them! No, regardless of all the mutual helping, Canada is a founding NATO member and has obligations under the NATO charter, i.e. responding when a member state is attacked. That includes maintaining the capability to do so. But PM Harper is slowly fixing that problem...I love that new military heavy transport (C-17) smell!! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
trex Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 No, regardless of all the mutual helping, Canada is a founding NATO member and has obligations under the NATO charter, i.e. responding when a member state is attacked. That includes maintaining the capability to do so.But PM Harper is slowly fixing that problem...I love that new military heavy transport (C-17) smell!! true, then no need for Moxie to thank anyone... Quote
Guest coot Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Apparently yes we are, the hatred hurled at the US is pandemic in Canada. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe the people you hang out with all hate the U.S., but I honestly rarely hear a bad word said about it. I've heard some criticize their leadership, but that is hardly "hatred." Maybe you need to make some new friends. Yours sound kind of psycho. Quote
Higgly Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 I'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe the people you hang out with all hate the U.S., but I honestly rarely hear a bad word said about it. I've heard some criticize their leadership, but that is hardly "hatred." Maybe you need to make some new friends. Yours sound kind of psycho. Yes, that is true. People criticize US leadership, not the country as a whole. Many of those people are Canadians. Even more are Americans. Look at popularity polls conducted in the US for both the President and the Congress. Downhill all the way. I have American friends who are angry and even embarrassed and some of these guys are died in the wool Republicans. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Agaric Posted October 18, 2007 Report Posted October 18, 2007 (edited) Niceties are very "nice" but at what point are we going to say that a certain country is a mess and needs to smarten up? I mean I feel bad for progressive americans but im sorry its not Canadas fault that the u.s. is the kind of place that it is and people crying to us because we point out the obvious really seems to miss the issue. America needs to smarten up, its ppl need to wake up and get rid of their sick, harmful, violent, controlling ideologies ... Tell me its the ppl in power and not most americans and I say your right, I have lived there and besides some quirks they are much like Canadians (though we tend to view equality and fairness and justice from a more humanist angle then americans with their obsession for money), anyway I liked most average americans I met but there are major problems with the u.s., should we all just pretend they dont exist, lest we offend some poor americans?! Suck it up, take the critiscm, I expect it about my country too, get off your pedestal, wake up and CHANGE, become something better or the rest of the world will have to FORCE you to be better and noone wants that ... Edited October 18, 2007 by Agaric Quote
ScottSA Posted October 18, 2007 Report Posted October 18, 2007 though we tend to view equality and fairness and justice from a more humanist angle then americans with their obsession for money I think you ought to learn the meaning of words before you use them. Just a suggestion. And as an aside, I'm not sure who you mean when you say "the rest of the world" will band together and teach the US a lesson. Perhaps you should take a lesson in the relative hard power metric of the international scene. Quote
Agaric Posted October 18, 2007 Report Posted October 18, 2007 I think you ought to learn the meaning of words before you use them. Just a suggestion. Oh grammar slams, the last ditch comeback of someone that doesnt like what someone else has said ... And as an aside, I'm not sure who you mean when you say "the rest of the world" will band together and teach the US a lesson. Perhaps you should take a lesson in the relative hard power metric of the international scene. Hmmm the U.N. then? *LOL* They were against the Iraq war and there was mention of how they would force the u.s. to not do something stupid, of course the U.N. caved and the u.s. did something very stupid ... Like I said, the u.s. has one choice really, change for the better or be FORCED to change by other ppl ... The u.s. cant be a bully and not expect to get a black eye ... Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 18, 2007 Report Posted October 18, 2007 Oh grammar slams, the last ditch comeback of someone that doesnt like what someone else has said ...Hmmm the U.N. then? *LOL* I don't think he was commenting on your sentence structure or verb conjugation....but on your vocabulary. For example, I have no clue what you mean when you suggest we look on things with a more humanist angle.....humanist? I'm not convinced that you know what humanist means..... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Agaric Posted October 18, 2007 Report Posted October 18, 2007 I don't think he was commenting on your sentence structure or verb conjugation....but on your vocabulary.For example, I have no clue what you mean when you suggest we look on things with a more humanist angle.....humanist? I'm not convinced that you know what humanist means..... Well I am convinced your missing the point completely, but I am sure thats not a mistake ... The fact is the u.s. earns most of the criticism it gets, if it doesn't like to hear it thats just too bad, as long as it deserves the critiques they will be made ... P.S. - hu·man·ism /ˈhyuməˌnɪzəm or, often, ˈyu-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hyoo-muh-niz-uhm or, often, yoo-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. any system or mode of thought or action in which human interests, values, and dignity predominate. 2. devotion to or study of the humanities. 3. (sometimes initial capital letter) the studies, principles, or culture of the humanists. 4. Philosophy. a variety of ethical theory and practice that emphasizes reason, scientific inquiry, and human fulfillment in the natural world and often rejects the importance of belief in God. So Canada has a more humanistic approach then the u.s. ... We could start a discussion on this but really, lets not be distracted, I could have just said we are slightly BETTER as a country then the u.s. and that wouldnt have made the americans feel good Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 18, 2007 Report Posted October 18, 2007 4. Philosophy. a variety of ethical theory and practice that emphasizes reason, scientific inquiry, and human fulfillment in the natural world and often rejects the importance of belief in God. So Canada has a more humanistic approach then the u.s. ... We could start a discussion on this but really, lets not be distracted, I could have just said we are slightly BETTER as a country then the u.s. and that wouldnt have made the americans feel good I that is the definition you are choosing, often capitalized as Humanist, then I have disagree. We are no more humanistic in our affairs than any nation. You could say that we are slightly better than the US.....and I would ask, based on what metric? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Agaric Posted October 18, 2007 Report Posted October 18, 2007 4. Philosophy. a variety of ethical theory and practice that emphasizes reason, scientific inquiry, and human fulfillment in the natural world and often rejects the importance of belief in God.So Canada has a more humanistic approach then the u.s. ... We could start a discussion on this but really, lets not be distracted, I could have just said we are slightly BETTER as a country then the u.s. and that wouldnt have made the americans feel good I that is the definition you are choosing, often capitalized as Humanist, then I have disagree. We are no more humanistic in our affairs than any nation. You could say that we are slightly better than the US.....and I would ask, based on what metric? Everything from education, health care, life expectancy, child death rates, murder rates per capita, security, people ... Do i need to go on? Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 18, 2007 Report Posted October 18, 2007 Why not benevolence? The US gives more per capita than anyone. Science? Medical Research? Economy, Industry? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Agaric Posted October 18, 2007 Report Posted October 18, 2007 Why not benevolence? The US gives more per capita than anyone. Science? Medical Research? Economy, Industry? Well our economy is one of the best in the G8, correct me if im wrong but its also better then the u.s. ... As for research the u.s. wins for sure, if there is a dollar to be made there are 500 americans running to make it ... Its the same reason the medical industry there is more focused on providing medicine then curing anything, all about the $$$, its the american way ... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 18, 2007 Report Posted October 18, 2007 Well our economy is one of the best in the G8, correct me if im wrong but its also better then the u.s. ... Better for what? Certainly not per-capita GDP, total GDP, or growth rate during the past year. The single state of California (similar population) has consistently had a much higher GDP than all of Canada. As for research the u.s. wins for sure, if there is a dollar to be made there are 500 americans running to make it ...Its the same reason the medical industry there is more focused on providing medicine then curing anything, all about the $$$, its the american way ... Hmmm...that wouldn't explain why so many Canadians also chase the same $$$ south of the border....it's the Canadian way! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moxie Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 Yep Canada is a real front runner on curing desease, yep right okay. Why is it that in some provinces (NS for one) a life saving drug is to expensive so anyone with terminal colon cancer in NS can't get the drug unless they pay for it? Quebec, Ontario and BC provide the drug as part of the treatment but alas the NS government doesn't think adding six months onto a pallitive care patient life is worth paying for. I mean if we die sooner without the drug we save government X amount of dollars. Yes Canada's Socialist Plan is so much better than the US's NOT. Quote Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy
guyser Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 Yep Canada is a real front runner on curing desease, yep right okay. Why is it that in some provinces (NS for one) a life saving drug is to expensive so anyone with terminal colon cancer in NS can't get the drug unless they pay for it? Quebec, Ontario and BC provide the drug as part of the treatment but alas the NS government doesn't think adding six months onto a pallitive care patient life is worth paying for. I mean if we die sooner without the drug we save government X amount of dollars. Yes Canada's Socialist Plan is so much better than the US's NOT. You'd have to pay for it in the US. How is that different? Quote
Guest American Woman Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) Well our economy is one of the best in the G8, correct me if im wrong but its also better then the u.s. ...As for research the u.s. wins for sure, if there is a dollar to be made there are 500 americans running to make it ... Its the same reason the medical industry there is more focused on providing medicine then curing anything, all about the $$$, its the american way ... Yep. It's the American way. All we care about is money. Look around the world and it's plain to see that there's been no good done by any Americans. That's cuz we're all sitting home caring nothing about anything other than money. Of course when Best and Banting's research led to the discovery of insulin, it wasn't about money. It was all about caring for their fellow man. But when Sabin developed the Polio vaccine, it was all about money. He was an American, after all. Bad to the Bone. Edited October 19, 2007 by American Woman Quote
Agaric Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 Yep Canada is a real front runner on curing desease, yep right okay. Where did I say this? *LOL* Why is it that in some provinces (NS for one) a life saving drug is to expensive so anyone with terminal colon cancer in NS can't get the drug unless they pay for it? Quebec, Ontario and BC provide the drug as part of the treatment but alas the NS government doesn't think adding six months onto a pallitive care patient life is worth paying for. I mean if we die sooner without the drug we save government X amount of dollars. Yes Canada's Socialist Plan is so much better than the US's NOT. *L* For a second there I thought u might have been rational, then I noticed ur sig, at least I know where u stand ... Canadian health care is heads and tails better then the u.s., thats why the industrial world has some variant of universal care, thats why the americans are BEGGING for a better system. The absolute, embarrassing failure of the u.s. "for profit" health system is pretty nicely documented to, do we want to go there? Because u dont stand a chance against the facts ... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 Canadian health care is heads and tails better then the u.s., thats why the industrial world has some variant of universal care, thats why the americans are BEGGING for a better system.The absolute, embarrassing failure of the u.s. "for profit" health system is pretty nicely documented to, do we want to go there? Because u dont stand a chance against the facts ... Of course...excepting all those doctors and nurses who fled south ("brain drain"), and the Canadian patients who can afford to escape the equality of universal wait time hell, and even the poor souls who must go to US medical facilities because there is no room at the Canadian Inn. I hear that baby Aiken is now a Seattle Seahawks fan! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Agaric Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 Better for what? Certainly not per-capita GDP, total GDP, or growth rate during the past year. The single state of California (similar population) has consistently had a much higher GDP than all of Canada.Hmmm...that wouldn't explain why so many Canadians also chase the same $$$ south of the border....it's the Canadian way! Good question and I had a nagging suspicion so I did some digging (youll find out that I am good at finding the facts) ... Canada No.2 in well-off rankingJOHN PARTRIDGE Globe and Mail Update Les misérables we ain't. According to Merrill Lynch, Canada currently boasts a “misery index†of just 6.4 points, ranking the Great White North's economy second-best off among Group of Seven nations. What's more, the U.S. investment dealer's economists figure that Canada's showing suggests it will be more resilient to the U.S. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Pag...orce_login=true Canada set to outperform U.S. in 2008According to CIBC World Markets, the Canadian economy will “outperform†the United States economy in 2008. Looks like the strong Canadian loonie (dollar) will set pressures on the country’s manufacturing sector, but will not hold the economy back at all. CIBC World Markets’ economic forecast indicated the loonie will hit $1.05 U.S.. This will be the dollar’s highest level in nearly 50-years. * “The loonie’s flight is far from over,†said Jeff Rubin, chief economist at CIBC World Markets. “By the end of next year, you’ll get as much as a nickel back when you trade your loonies for greenbacks, the biggest premium since 1960.†* “A much stronger domestic economy north of the border will in turn translate into divergent monetary policies in the two countries, with the Federal Reserve Board following through with another 50 basis points of easing while the Bank of Canada remains on the sidelines,†said Mr. Rubin. * “With interest rate spreads turning against the greenback, and commodity prices buoyant, the Canadian dollar should climb to a 5 per cent premium against the U.S. dollar by the end of 2008.†http://www.canadian-business.info/economy/...orm-us-in-2008/ And ill throw this in since I came across it ... Canada ranks higher than the U.S. in statistics such as life expectancy (80.22 years in Canada versus 77.85 in the U.S.) and infant mortality (4.75 Canadian deaths per 1000 versus 6.50 in the States). Standard of living is perhaps the hardest measurement to make since a wide array of factors have to be taken into account. The United Nations Human Development Index has traditionally listed Canada (in sixth place) higher than the United States (ranked eighth). Other independent groups, such as the Economist, rank some Canadian cities as better places to live than some American ones. In their 2005 ranking, four of the top 10 livable cities were Canadian (Vancouver, Toronto, Calgary and Montreal) with Vancouver taking the number one spot, while the highest ranked American cities were Cleveland and Pittsburgh, tied at 26th place. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) Good question and I had a nagging suspicion so I did some digging (youll find out that I am good at finding the facts) ...And ill throw this in since I came across it ... ...still waiting for the part where Canada outperforms the single State of California...ever. Edited October 19, 2007 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Agaric Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 ...still waiting for the part where Canada outperforms the single State of California...ever. I never said that ... Listen, I dont mind arguing, even bickering, but I cant be bothered correcting delusions ... I said Canada was one of the strongest in the G8 (I posted showing that we are infact 2nd best economically), then I said I thought we were better off than the states economically, I never said we made more money overall, I never even mentioned California ... Quote
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