Harper hails opening of grand Hindu temple

[Renegade]

No, but the offer to own one's own home becomes irresistible and encourages one in doing so especially when banks offer ultra-low interest rates and extended long term mortgages.

Sure, with financial institutions laughing in your face. Remember what I said Paul Martin when PM, suggested Canadians invest in new cars and homes.

Don't worry they will always find ways to make you blow every penny you earn. Hey don't forget the Fed's have to pay off people like Mr. Arar and need moola to support Charter related,federal cultural aspirations and obligations.

So what? Banks entice for financial products all the time. 0% credit cards, promotional rate loans, etc. It is up to the consumer to make their own decision and accept responsibilty for the consquence.

Like I was saying previously the smallest property is expensive. We don't all work for the federal public service or live in Alberta.

Buy a condo then, or move further away from the city then, or don't buy at all. The choice is ones own to make. No one is owed a property.

I am not happy to give away the supply of traditional Canadian housing based on birth and not mass immigration to ethnic immigrants.

Again rampant racism. First there is no one giving it away. Second, what do you care if a house it bought by a Canadian by birth or a Canadian by naturalization.

If they do loose their shirts it is because they were willing participants originally.

Yes exactly, and the same is true for any native-born Canadian.

Yes I know and artificial demand from instant mass immigration is another. By artificial I mean it is not linked to the country's natural birth rate but from a source NOT PLANNED FOR.

Actually there is scant evidence that even growth by birth rate is planned for. You can see that the impact the baby-boom caused to the housing market. If there was the kind of planning you suggest, there would have been a massive building spree 30years ago. If fact it was market forces which caused building not preplanning. The same will be true for immigration.

[Renegade]

It could look like a yearly target when this link suggest, "Between July 1, 2005 and July 1, 2006, Canada's population increased by 324,000 to an estimated 32,623,500." But it appears this number is a mix of natural birth rate and immigration.

Under Harper and the Conservatives though, looks like we took in more immigrant than under the liberals, which means we are headinding towards that 1% of Canada's population immigration rate.

So it would seem you agree that immigration of 330,000 has never occured in the last 10 years.

It is also worthwhile to note that Canada's tiny population compared to the U.S., international immigration accounted for two thirds of Canada's population growth, compared to 38% of U.S. growth despit the fact they have ten times the population.

It was never a point of dispute. Canada takes more immigrants than the US or most other developed countries.

Canada is an established country

What does that mean? 150 years Canada was an established country because it had a cross-country railroad.

Your statement is nonsensical and will require proof.

Sure, prove to me that the immigrants of 1913-14 built the country, and in about 90 more years I will prove that the current wave will have built the future Canada.

There are factors you are totally overlooking that could actually spell the complete reverse from what you are saying.

like?

This is not a racist statement is a factual one.

Then prove it. You statement that it is fact is not proof.

Ethnic immigrants are coming into Canada from a third world countries with all modern amenities at their fingertips all done for them thanks to native Canadians and their established country. There is nothing left to do but walk into a job and entertain their own cultural requirements.

Actually by your own admission, much of what is Canada was built by previous generations of immigrants.

The countries these ethnics come from have very few diversity's, with religion and culture being number one diversity.

Huh, you mean like India is not diverse? Do you even have a clue how many different religions and languages there are in India?

The number of very expensive Mosques and temples in this country are forever increasing proving religion is a number one priority along with various cultural activities that encourage segregation.

Actually what it proves is that these people need a place to worship and in the absence of one, will build one at their OWN expense.

I have heard about Whites being told to get out of their subsidized housing units as this is no longer a White neighbourhood.

Oh, you "heard"... Where, on one of these unnamed radio talk shows???

[Renegade]

Leafless seem to claim that immigration has put an unprecedented strain on infrastructure. In fact, the pressure on infrastructure comes from population growth which is a combination of natural growth and immigration. I wanted to see if in fact Canada's population growth is historically unprecedented.

I have plotted the population growth rate since 1867 using the data from here:List of Population of Canada by Years

The chart is posted here: Canadian Population Growth Rate since 1867

As you can see, the growth rate over the last 10 years is not unusually high when compared historically.

The overall population growth rate of Canada is also very close to the US, despite the US having lower immigration rate.

[Leafless]

So what? Banks entice for financial products all the time. 0% credit cards, promotional rate loans, etc. It is up to the consumer to make their own decision and accept responsibility for the consequence.

Banks pay federal taxes on corporate profits.

The richer banks get, the richer the federal government becomes.

Do you see the hand in hand relationship???????

Buy a condo then, or move further away from the city then, or don't buy at all. The choice is ones own to make. No one is owed a property.

This is the whole point.

Housing is becoming less and less available thanks to the demands of millions of adult immigrants.

Again rampant racism. First there is no one giving it away. Second, what do you care if a house it bought by a Canadian by birth or a Canadian by naturalization.

Who created the conditons for Canadian housing to be so readily available.

Immigrants? I don't think so!

Native Canadians and their society did. No one else.

This is where the federal government has failed to support THEIR MASS IMMIGRATION EXPERIMENTAL PROJECT.

Actually there is scant evidence that even growth by birth rate is planned for. You can see that the impact the baby-boom caused to the housing market. If there was the kind of planning you suggest, there would have been a massive building spree 30years ago. If fact it was market forces which caused building not preplanning. The same will be true for immigration.

The baby boom does not compare to hundred of thousands immigrants, yearly, stepping off of a plane in search of housing.

[Drea]

Who created the conditons for Canadian housing to be so readily available.

Immigrants? I don't think so!

Native Canadians and their society did. No one else.

Correct! Native Canadians and their society built the northern portion of North America. They hunted and fished and lived life completely free of nasty immigrants until those nasty Europeans showed up and ruined everything.

Those immigrant's kids -- they are NATIVE Canadians. You too are decended from immigrants.

Immigrants created the Canada we know today. You can thank your ancestors for immigrating. You can thank them for "Not" giving up their european culture when they came here. You can thank them for doing exactly what today's immigrants are doing -- buying land, opening businesses and being successful.

[Leafless]

So it would seem you agree that immigration of 330,000 has never occured in the last 10 years.

What difference does it make????

This is still mass immigration in any man's language. One million mainly ethnic immigrants every 3.5-4 years.

We are taking MASS IMMIGRATION and the undesirable effect it has on Canada and has the ability to destroy the White English speaking Christian Canadian and their objectives, their traditions and their culture.

It was never a point of dispute. Canada takes more immigrants than the US or most other developed countries.

What does that mean?

IMV, the possible destruction of Canada as a country.

150 years Canada was an established country because it had a cross-country railroad.

Sure, prove to me that the immigrants of 1913-14 built the country,

It was not only the immigrants of 1913-14, it was all Canadians up to the time of TRUDEAU'S CHARTER in 1982.

in about 90 more years I will prove that the current wave will have built the future Canada.

Stop being ridiculous Renegade, as you do not have the ability to read into or predict the future.

like?

In the future quote what I said, as i cannot reply to a single word.

What I said was:

Canada is an established country.

Your statement is nonsensical and will require proof.

There are factors you are totally overlooking that could actually spell the complete reverse from what you are saying

What Canada is doing is entirely experimental hinging it's future with ethnic mass immigration.

Why should I present any other factors only to be labelled racist by a 'White' hater like you.

Time will tell my little brown friend.

Actually by your own admission, much of what is Canada was built by previous generations of immigrants.

The majority of very large majority Canada's immigration as always been 'White', with common ideologies in line with the objectives of the country.

Huh, you mean like India is not diverse? Do you even have a clue how many different religions and languages there are in India?

Is this supposed to be a good thing?

Actually what it proves is that these people need a place to worship and in the absence of one, will build one at their OWN expense.

Oh, you "heard"... Where, on one of these unnamed radio talk shows???

Nope.

I have personally seen those golden domes all over the place.

Edited August 12, 2007 by Leafless

[Renegade]

What difference does it make????

It proves you like to make up numbers and quote them as "facts" when time and again you are proved wrong.

This is still mass immigration in any man's language. One million mainly ethnic immigrants every 3.5-4 years.

I don't think anyone disputed that Canada takes a lot of immigrants. I acknolwedge it. The point is you distort numbers, whether knowingly or not, so it is hard to take any of your statemetns seriously.

We are taking MASS IMMIGRATION and the undesirable effect it has on Canada and has the ability to destroy the White English speaking Christian Canadian and their objectives, their traditions and their culture.

Any population change has a multitude of effects, some desirable some undesirable. Immigration is only one aspect. You need to look at immigration on balance. You seem to think that I am an advocate for large-scale immigration. I am not. My position is as follows:

1. Immigration levels should be scaled back.

2. Potential immigrants should face tighter criteria on their suitability for Canada, as determined by Canada's best interest.

3. Family-class immigrants should be eliminated.

4. Immigrants should have restricted access to social programs which disappear over time.

IMV, the possible destruction of Canada as a country.

Yes it is your view, yet you show no evidence that any destruction is occuring.

It was not only the immigrants of 1913-14, it was all Canadians up to the time of TRUDEAU'S CHARTER in 1982.

Yes, I agree. It seems odd that you acknowledge that all immigrants built up the country, yet are so anti-immigrant. Perhaps it is just that the newer wave of immigrants is a little more tanned.

Stop being ridiculous Renegade, as you do not have the ability to read into or predict the future.

It is a ridiculous response to a ridiculous request.

What Canada is doing is entirely experimental hinging it's future with ethnic mass immigration.

Why should I present any other factors only to be labelled racist by a 'White' hater like you.

Time will tell my little brown friend.

Ah yes, you refuse to say because it may seem racist. You know what., if it seems racist, it probably is.

I see as well, the guessing on my background continues. Keep guessing, dude.

The majority of very large majority Canada's immigration as always been 'White', with common ideologies in line with the objectives of the country.

True, till recently. Canada will simply have to get used to the fact that "white" immigrants no longer are in a stampede to come to Canada. For now, it can still be choosy about the non-white immigrants who apply.

Is this supposed to be a good thing?

It is neither good nor bad. It is however a fact which contradicts your statement.

I have personally seen those golden domes all over the place.

So what? I've seen churches all over the place, and I've seen more churches than golden domes.

[Renegade]

Banks pay federal taxes on corporate profits.

The richer banks get, the richer the federal government becomes.

Do you see the hand in hand relationship???????

What a simplistic relationship you paint. So what if banks pay taxes? You, I, immigrants and WECC pay taxes and the government gets a cut of all of our prosperity. Do you see the hand in hand relationship???????

Housing is becoming less and less available thanks to the demands of millions of adult immigrants.

It is only your myoptic focus which leads you to belive that immigration is the sole or major driver of housing. There are are a multitude of drivers. While immigration does impact population growth, and population growth does drive demand, it is not significantly different than historical levels and is much less than some years.

BTW, from 1990-96, the year you suggested well-heeled immigrants started pouring into Canada, housing prices declined in much of the country.

Who created the conditons for Canadian housing to be so readily available.

As someone once said. "It's the market, stupid".

Immigrants? I don't think so!

Funny, didnt' you just finish telling me how immigrants built up this country? My experience tells me that a large percentage of the background of the residential construction industry is Italian and the decendents of Italian immigrants. I guess they had nothing to do with the housing build-up.

Native Canadians and their society did. No one else.

I love how you ursurped the term " Native Canadians".

This is where the federal government has failed to support THEIR MASS IMMIGRATION EXPERIMENTAL PROJECT.

What would you like them to do? Tax you some more so that they build housing for the wave of immigrants?

The baby boom does not compare to hundred of thousands immigrants, yearly, stepping off of a plane in search of housing.

Clearly your math skills are even weaker than I feared. It would seem besides remedial English, you should consider remedial math.

[Leafless]

It proves you like to make up numbers and quote them as "facts" when time and again you are proved wrong.

How about waiting until the end o 2007 and then you should see that anticipated figure of 330,000 immigrants or close to it, since we are clearly working up to 1% of Canada's population.

BTW- Currently we are well over the 330,000 figure if you include temporary immigrant workers that bring the number of immigrants into Canada to 380,000, 260,000+120,000 = 380,000. That's a lot of people that need a place to live and this is what we are talking about.

I don't think anyone disputed that Canada takes a lot of immigrants.

Yes, you did.

Any population change has a multitude of effects, some desirable some undesirable.

This is not a population change its a bloody invasion.

Yes it is your view, yet you show no evidence that any destruction is occuring.

Evidence is there. Canadians cannot find homes.

Major foreign religions are overtaking the White culture and its cultural objectives.

Major cities are turning into slums.

We have more crime and gangs related to visible minorities than ever.

Yes, I agree. It seems odd that you acknowledge that all immigrants built up the country, yet are so anti-immigrant. Perhaps it is just that the newer wave of immigrants is a little more tanned.

Makes all the difference in the world.

Ah yes, you refuse to say because it may seem racist. You know what., if it seems racist, it probably is.

You have already been reported for your racist allegations.

I see as well, the guessing on my background continues. Keep guessing, dude.

True, till recently. Canada will simply have to get used to the fact that "white" immigrants no longer are in a stampede to come to Canada.

Why should they.

Companies don't want to pay fair wages.

That is why the federal government want ethnic immigrants.

They work for nothing and are so grateful for getting out of the piss hole country they came from.

Definitely not up to our standards but up to the standards of the cheapo companies that also are being allowed to wreck our country in the name of corporate Canada..

So what? I've seen churches all over the place, and I've seen more churches than golden domes.

Hope so.

Its our Whitey majority Christian country.

Edited August 12, 2007 by Leafless

[Rue]

Interesting how once again a topic started by Leafless turns into an

attack on people for not being white Christians from England.

The original post was absolutely idiotic. So was Geoffrey's comments and I

specifically use the word idiotic, i.e., nonsensical.

Everyone who is capable of reading at a garde 5 level understands the

Prime Minister of this country represents ALL Canadians and under the

Charter of Rights ALL Canadians have the right to worship in peace.

To suggest the Prime Minister can not go to any house of worship

is stupid.

As for you Geoffrey suggesting minorities would complain if Harper showed\

up at a Christian church, that is deliberate baiting and inciting of hatred by

suggesting minority religious groups hate Christianity.

Its as bull as the original post from Leafless and you know it.

DO you reall think I givbe a flying f...ck as a Jew if Harper shows up at

an opening of a Christian church? First of all he is Christian so his going to

Church is not a problem for me or any minority.

Secondly most of Canada with the exception of Geoffrey and Leafless have

no problems with any elected politician showing tolerance and respect to

various religious or other communities.

That is precisely their job.

But then in the world of Geoffrey and Leafless we engage in these pretentious

debates which are nothing more then a pretense to single out minorities and

complain Canada is no longer white English Christian.

Pathetic.

[Renegade]

How about waiting until the end o 2007 and then you should see that anticipated figure of 330,000 immigrants or close to it, since we are clearly working up to 1% of Canada's population.

BTW- Currently we are well over the 330,000 figure if you include temporary immigrant workers that bring the number of immigrants into Canada to 380,000, 260,000+120,000 = 380,000. That's a lot of people that need a place to live and this is what we are talking about.

First, temporarty workers are not immigrants. You really need remedial English.

Second, you said this:

1% of 33 million is 330,000 immigrants the Liberals allowed into the country

Note that "allowed" is past tense and cannot be construed to be 2007. Note too that it is inconcevieable that the Liberals can reassume power in 2007 and let in so many immigrants. Instead of just acknowledging you were mistaken, you have started the backpeddling. In fact, I didn't know you could sprint backwards.

Yes, you did.

Prove it.

This is not a population change its a bloody invasion.

I have already shown with a multitude of evidence that the population growth rate is nothing unusual. Go back and look at the cites and evidence. I appears that you ignore any evidence which contradicts your view.

Evidence is there. Canadians cannot find homes.

I have already cited evidence that home ownership is at a significantly high-level. Evidence you failed to refute because you can't. Even those who cannot afford homes, you have not shown it is because of an influx of immigrants.

Major foreign religions are overtaking the White culture and its cultural objectives.

Hard to know what this even means because you have refused to define what you mean by "culture". You have also despite been asked, been unable to state how you have been unable to practice your religious beliefs. You simply seem to be pissed that others also have the right to practice theirs.

Major cities are turning into slums.

We have more crime and gangs related to visible minorities than ever.

You provide no evidence that these are true and even less that the cause is immigration. I live in the city and have no complaints about it turning into slums. As far as I remember, actual crime rates have gone down, though I have not looked at any correlation of visible minorities to crime. Got any evidence of that?

Makes all the difference in the world.

Yes, previous waves were white, and the latest wave is brown and yellow. I know it makes all the difference in the world to you.

You have already been reported for your racist allegations.

Fine. That is your perogative. You should realize that as my statements come under scrutiny, so will yours.

Why should they.

Companies don't want to pay fair wages.

So, you agree that immigrants will take lower-paying jobs that native Canadians won't touch? Seems like a win-win situaton to me.

That is why the federal government want ethnic immigrants.

They work for nothing and are so grateful for getting out of the piss hole country they came from.

Excellent! Everyone wins.

Definitely not up to our standards but up to the standards of the cheapo companies that also are being allowed to wreck our country in the name of corporate Canada..

Corporate Canada is free to hire anyone who willing works for the employment offered. You don't want to work, fine, but don' complain when someone else takes the job you didn't want.

Hope so.

Its our Whitey majority Christian country.

Sure, but you don't hear me complaining that the quantity of churches is evidence that the WECC are myopticly focused upon religion. Evidence of many churches is only evidence that people need a place to worship, same as for other religions.

[Leafless]

First, temporarty workers are not immigrants. You really need remedial English.

Another personal attack from an arrogant little brown boy with a 'hate the Whites' chip on his shoulder.

Temporary workers for all practical purposes use the same resources as REAL immigrants and Canadians do and are in fact 'Temporary immigrant workers'. So their large numbers 120,000 annually do have a direct impact on housing and services and usage relating to infrastructure.

Note that "allowed" is past tense and cannot be construed to be 2007. Note too that it is inconcevieable that the Liberals can reassume power in 2007 and let in so many immigrants. Instead of just acknowledging you were mistaken, you have started the backpeddling. In fact, I didn't know you could sprint backwards.

Prove it.

Who says the Liberals have to be back in power to realize immigration growth relating to the 1% of the total population policy goal for 2007, which would be 330,000 immigrants. We will just have to wait and see.

There is no reason to believe that annual immigration levels in Canada will be reduced under a Harper run government.

http://www.immigration.ca/permres-gii-elections2006.asp

Read this link.

I have already shown with a multitude of evidence that the population growth rate is nothing unusual. Go back and look at the cites and evidence. I appears that you ignore any evidence which contradicts your view.

You have no evidence relating to the problems of large scale ethnic immigration in this country.

It is obvious you fail to grasp the incompatibility factor even relating to the uselessness of foreign degrees and their 'worth nothing' qualifications in this country.

[Leafless]

Even those who cannot afford homes, you have not shown it is because of an influx of immigrants.

You would have to be some type of 'moron' not to recognize the fact that in 3.5-4years, a combination of immigrants and temporary immigrant workers totalling 1.5 million adults looking for housing would not have affect on the demand for housing.

And this has been going since 1990, which represents (APPROX.) over 4-million foreign adults thrown into the housing market, in a handful of major Canadian cities.

Hard to know what this even means because you have refused to define what you mean by "culture".

I have answered this question many times from the ( hate the White crowd) in different thread and am not doing it again.

It is hard to believe, someone who claims to be knowledgeable, would not know what culture is pertaining to ones country.

You have also despite been asked, been unable to state how you have been unable to practice your religious beliefs. You simply seem to be pissed that others also have the right to practice theirs.

In fact the federal government has intervened into our major Christian religion, outlawing parts in our most important place of learing being our schools.

You still don't understand the incompatibility factor relating to major differences between our majority docile Christian religon and the highly disciplined political/religions common to ethnics in this country especially relating to Islam associated with terrorism and Sharia Law.

You provide no evidence that these are true and even less that the cause is immigration. I live in the city and have no complaints about it turning into slums.

Maybe you are living in degenerate part of the city and simply don' recognize it. I am certain the ones responsible for the transformation of acceptable housing into slums might not be aware either or point the finger elsewhere.

You know the system does not supply statistics on criminal acts by race.

All you have to do though is look in media (newspaper or television) at pictures of supects being careted away and you will be made aware the large majority are not 'White'.

So, you agree that immigrants will take lower-paying jobs that native Canadians won't touch? Seems like a win-win situaton to me.

Canadians have established the fact certain jobs do not pay enough to afford one to live to according to the basic minimal requirements of being able to support oneself

Other jobs are broken up from what used to be a single good paying postion, to several lower paying postions again not paying enough for even a single person to subsist.

Then you wonder how slums are created.

Most Canadians won't live 4-5 or more to a small apartment or rent a house shared by many. This of course lowers the quality of life for their neighbours with the many other problems associated with this sort of lifestye including the creation of insatnt slums.

Corporate Canada is free to hire anyone who willing works for the employment offered. You don't want to work, fine, but don' complain when someone else takes the job you didn't want.

Many Canadians are complaining by being forced to exist with standards on the same level to that of a dog. If you accept those standards you are contributing to the downfall of civilized living conditons in Canada and contributing to a degenerate society.

Edited August 13, 2007 by Leafless

[Renegade]

Another personal attack from an arrogant little brown boy with a 'hate the Whites' chip on his shoulder.

Try again dude. You've been so wrong on so many issues, why should this be different. BTW, I love white canadian culture. Why wouldn't I, it is my culture.

Temporary workers for all practical purposes use the same resources as REAL immigrants and Canadians do and are in fact 'Temporary immigrant workers'. So their large numbers 120,000 annually do have a direct impact on housing and services and usage relating to infrastructure.

I was point out that you use the word immigrant incorrectly. Here is the definition of "immigrant": a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence. Note the use of the word "permanent", makes the phrase "'Temporary immigrant workers" an oxymoron. Maybe they will teach you in remedial english what an oxymoron is.

As far of use of resources, yes, anyone within the confines of the country will consume resources to varying degrees, including tourists and temporary workers. Temporary workers are unlilkely to add pressure to housing as the nature of their work makes it unlikely that they would purchase permanent housing.

Who says the Liberals have to be back in power to realize immigration growth relating to the 1% of the total population policy goal for 2007, which would be 330,000 immigrants. We will just have to wait and see.

Actually YOU did. In fact you said we wouldn't have to wait. You said they already did. Do you I have to quote the same phrase again?

There is no reason to believe that annual immigration levels in Canada will be reduced under a Harper run government.

I agree. Did I say anywhere otherwise?

You have no evidence relating to the problems of large scale ethnic immigration in this country.

Right I don't, and neither do you, but I'm not the one making the case that ethnic immigrants are the cause of the woes of this country.

It is obvious you fail to grasp the incompatibility factor even relating to the uselessness of foreign degrees and their 'worth nothing' qualifications in this country.

Your generalization shows you lack any knowledge of the educational standards applied in foreign countries. Some are more lax than Canada and some are far mor rigourous. Only an idiot would make sweeping generalizations, especially ones he couldn't back up with proof.

Edited August 13, 2007 by Renegade

[Renegade]

You would have to be some type of 'moron' not to recognize the fact that in 3.5-4years, a combination of immigrants and temporary immigrant workers totalling 1.5 million adults looking for housing would not have affect on the demand for housing.

And this has been going since 1990, which represents (APPROX.) over 4-million foreign adults thrown into the housing market, in a handful of major Canadian cities.

Of course immigrants affect demand on housing, but again they are not the only factor. Population growth, of which immigration is part, affects housing demand and population growth is not substatantially different. One does not have to be an economist to grasp that, but one would have to be a moron to dispute it.

If you are so aginst housing demand causing upward pressure on prices, why are you also not against population growth by increased birthrate?

I have answered this question many times from the ( hate the White crowd) in different thread and am not doing it again.

Leafless, despite what you believe, I don't dwell on your every word, so I have not seen such a response. A link to the appropriate thread woudl be sufficient.

It is hard to believe, someone who claims to be knowledgeable, would not know what culture is pertaining to ones country.

I know what I think it is. What I don't know is what you think it is. You have misused so many words which have obvious English definitions, it is hard to take your definitions for granted.

In fact the federal government has intervened into our major Christian religion, outlawing parts in our most important place of learing being our schools.

Yes, it did. But it also outlawed other religions being taught or practiced in public shools, so Chriistianity is on the same footing as every other religion. This neither disadvantages Christianity nor advantages it.

BTW, the country you point out as your "model" democracy, also outlaws religion in schools, and they don't even have the Charter or Liberals. Are they part of the grand conspiracy?

You still don't understand the incompatibility factor relating to major differences between our majority docile Christian religon and the highly disciplined political/religions common to ethnics in this country especially relating to Islam associated with terrorism and Sharia Law.

No actually I don't. Christianity has had it share of "incompatible" behaviour, including forced conversion of conquered peoples, and killings in the name of religion. Your solution is to exclude other religions. The way Canada has dealt with the issue is to define what is permissable religious behaviour and what is not. That applies to all religions, including Christianity and Muslim.

Maybe you are living in degenerate part of the city and simply don' recognize it. I am certain the ones responsible for the transformation of acceptable housing into slums might not be aware either or point the finger elsewhere.

Maybe, but I doubt it. If I live in a degenerate part of the city, then the rest of the city must be paradise. I can only wonder if other can have better neighbourhoods, than the beautiful yards, clean streets, and beautiful houses I see in my neighbourhood.

You know the system does not supply statistics on criminal acts by race.

So yet another allegation for which you have no objective evidence. What a surprise.

All you have to do though is look in media (newspaper or television) at pictures of supects being careted away and you will be made aware the large majority are not 'White'.

Canadians have established the fact certain jobs do not pay enough to afford one to live to according to the basic minimal requirements of being able to support oneself

Yep, I'm familiar with your statistical methodology. Look through the newspaper and television, see a black or ethnic suspect, and conclude that all ethnics are criminals. Yep, got that.

Other jobs are broken up from what used to be a single good paying postion, to several lower paying postions again not paying enough for even a single person to subsist.

So again, you don't want the job, don't take them. Someone else will or they will be moved offshore.

Most Canadians won't live 4-5 or more to a small apartment or rent a house shared by many. This of course lowers the quality of life for their neighbours with the many other problems associated with this sort of lifestye including the creation of insatnt slums.

Many Canadians are complaining by being forced to exist with standards on the same level to that of a dog. If you accept those standards you are contributing to the downfall of civilized living conditons in Canada and contributing to a degenerate society.

It is up to Canadians of all backgrounds to make themsleves valuable enough to be employable for a good wage. If they don't, tough-titty, I don't feel sorry for them. They can live in slums if thats all they can afford.

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BTW, you accused me of disputing that Canada takes a lot immigrants. I asked you for proof to back up your accusation. I'm still waiting. Or did you choose to ignore the request because there was no evidence?

Edited August 13, 2007 by Renegade

[Leafless]

Of course immigrants affect demand on housing, but again they are not the only factor. Population growth, of which immigration is part, affects housing demand and population growth is not substatantially different. One does not have to be an economist to grasp that, but one would have to be a moron to dispute it.

Well then that makes you a moron, population growth is a main factor and immigration does and causes a great number of undesireable things:

$ Immigration $

Canadian Social Programs Suffering

Health Care Deterioration

Infectious Diseases

*The Housing Issue*

Canadian Public Education

Canadian Roads and Highways

Immigration and Crime

Canada, a Terrorist Haven?

Lies they Tell Us

Immigration Reform Necessary for Canada’s Survival

http://www.petitiononline.com/z651742/petition.html

If you are so aginst housing demand causing upward pressure on prices, why are you also not against population growth by increased birthrate?

Because it is not the same thing. For every 10 babies born and when matured, some will buy houses, some will rent, some will live with heir parents, some will relocate, some will marry=two to a single dwelling, etc.

This is unlike 10 adult immigrants stepping off of a plane that require immediate instant housing, this stresses the housing market, but it is not ten it is hundreds of thousands annually into a few select major cities.

BTW- I am discontinuing posting in this thread as the board is not operating correctly (only in this thread ) due to some type of unknown intervention, causing me to rewrite several times and not being able to post or not being able to backspace, resulting in spelling errors that cannot be corrected unless you are lucky enough to write everything you have to say without making a single error.

Also you are one of the most arrogant posters I have ever encountered.

Intelligent people never belittle in the fashion you do which indicates brown boy, you have an inferiority complex.

You are an inferior little being, probably trying to imitate the White guys that put you in your place using words that you will never forget.

[Renegade]

Well then that makes you a moron, population growth is a main factor and immigration does and causes a great number of undesireable things:

$ Immigration $

Canadian Social Programs Suffering

Health Care Deterioration

Infectious Diseases

*The Housing Issue*

Canadian Public Education

Canadian Roads and Highways

Immigration and Crime

Canada, a Terrorist Haven?

Lies they Tell Us

Immigration Reform Necessary for Canada’s Survival

http://www.petitiononline.com/z651742/petition.html

This is what you have posted as your rebuttal???????. ROTFLMAO.. Really, Leafless, I have to thank you for one of the BEST laughs I've had all year, and I'm even going to tell you why.

That petition and point of view was endorsed by exactly 222 people. That makes it 0.0007% of Canada's population. They would be laughed out if they tried to present a petition and could only garner that small percentage of support.

The creator of the petition is Melissa Guille, and evidence that she is the originator is here: 222 Total Signatures.

Melissa Guille, is the head of the Canadian Heritage Alliance, head of a white supremacist group. Don't believe me? See here: Canadian Heritage Alliance

The Canadian Heritage Alliance (CHA) is a Canadian white supremacist group based in southwestern Ontario. Detective Terry Murphy of London, Ontario's Hate Crime Unit alleged that the group had links with the Heritage Front and the Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge-based Tri-City Skins.

Its leader, Melissa Guille, denies that the organization is a hate group, and contends that the group and its website are concerned about "keeping Canada for Canadians" and "removing the anti-white sentiment in society.

Moreover, regarding their website content:

Website content engaged in Holocaust denial, and argued that whites who have relationships with black men deserve to die, that Jews are the literal children of Satan, and that non-white immigration into Europe is worse than the Black Plague that struck during the Middle Ages.

What better way to demonstrate that you are not racist than to quote material originating from a racist white-supremacist group, eh Leafless?? ROTFLMAO X 2.

Again, thank-you. I haven't laughed so hard in years.

Edited August 14, 2007 by Renegade

[Renegade]

Because it is not the same thing. For every 10 babies born and when matured, some will buy houses, some will rent, some will live with heir parents, some will relocate, some will marry=two to a single dwelling, etc.

This is unlike 10 adult immigrants stepping off of a plane that require immediate instant housing, this stresses the housing market, but it is not ten it is hundreds of thousands annually into a few select major cities.

First, it is not only adult immigrants who are admitted. The number of immigrants includes families with kids, who presumably will stay as one unit.

Second, didn't you just finish telling me how immigrants will cram 4-5 adults in an apartment or have many share a house. If that is true, then there is no additional pressure on housing, is there?

BTW- I am discontinuing posting in this thread as the board is not operating correctly (only in this thread ) due to some type of unknown intervention, causing me to rewrite several times and not being able to post or not being able to backspace, resulting in spelling errors that cannot be corrected unless you are lucky enough to write everything you have to say without making a single error.

Unfortunate that you have been beaten by technology. I have no such issues. Spelling errors are mostly my own.

Also you are one of the most arrogant posters I have ever encountered.

Why thank-you. Nice to have a title to something.

Intelligent people never belittle in the fashion you do which indicates brown boy, you have an inferiority complex.

You are an inferior little being, probably trying to imitate the White guys that put you in your place using words that you will never forget.

Yeah, sure I do Leafless. You better go find some "White guys" who can give you English lessons, so you can get better command of what you claim is your mother tongue, because I sure won't. Come back when you understand how to use words like "spokesman" and "immigrant" in proper context.

Tiill then if you don't post anymore, I will enjoy the silence. Silence free of racism, bigotry, intolerance, and WECC superiority.

[mikedavid00]

So their large numbers 120,000 annually do have a direct impact on housing and services and usage relating to infrastructure.

No where close to 120,000 people come here yearly on work permits. I wish that was the case but it's not.

Do not confuse 'skilled immigrant work class' (or whatever they are calling it this week), with people coming here on real work permits. The latter is where you are employed from an employer before you come to Canada and are issued a temporary work permit. The US gets almost *all* of its immigrants from the latter. (legal immigrants i know).

We have our skilled immigrants fill out 20 questions and get waived in with no job lined up, no nothing. These are NOT people here on work permits Renegade so stop trying to cloud the issue and misslead others.

We need to move to a work permit ONLY system which would bring Canada maybe 20,000 people a year in remote parts of Canada that have labor shortages.

[Renegade]

These are NOT people here on work permits Renegade so stop trying to cloud the issue and misslead others.

Er, it wasn't me who made the statement. It was your friend Leafless, who you expressed 110% support for, who made the statement.

What's one more incorrect statement of fact in the sea of mistatemetns made so far.

[Leafless]

Yeah, sure I do Leafless. You better go find some "White guys" who can give you English lessons, so you can get better command of what you claim is your mother tongue, because I sure won't. Come back when you understand how to use words like "spokesman" and "immigrant" in proper context.

I will use the words I feel that correctly describes the situation and if you don't feel that's up to Renegade's standards, to damn bad.

You go play with your pink friends with your word games while you are tipping glasses of white wine and giggling over who trumps who with seldom used words.

Your mouth means NOTHING on this board in the way of giving any type of lessons or advice.

Only management has the right to prevent anyone from further posting on this board or warning anyone of any type of infraction.

Tiill then if you don't post anymore, I will enjoy the silence. Silence free of racism, bigotry, intolerance, and WECC superiority.

There is no way your Mouth is going to halt free speech.

If it was clear I am racist, I would have been banned a long time ago.

But clearly that is not the case and I am fully permitted to deal with the question of what mass immigration is doing to Canada.

Edited August 15, 2007 by Leafless

[Leafless]

No where close to 120,000 people come here yearly on work permits. I wish that was the case but it's not.

What these workers are:

Canadians have heard an abundance of hysteria over a so-called worker shortage, but no concrete evidence to justify bringing in the 260,000 immigrants + 120,000 temporary foreign workers who are arriving in Canada every year.

I call these workers 'Temporary immigrant workers', (not official), over Renegades objections.

http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/

[Renegade]

I will use the words I feel that correctly describes the situation and if you don't feel that's up to Renegade's standards, to damn bad.

You go play with your pink friends with your word games while you are tipping glasses of white wine and giggling over who trumps who with seldom used words.

Hey Leafless, it was you who felt that White English Christian Canadian Culture was being destroyed and that an essential part of the culture was the language. I'm just doing you a favour by protecting proper use of the Queen's English so that the Canadian Majority language isn't further degraded. ..You're welcome.

Your mouth means NOTHING on this board in the way of giving any type of lessons or advice.

Only management has the right to prevent anyone from further posting on this board or warning anyone of any type of infraction.

There is no way your Mouth is going to halt free speech.

Moi, halt free speech?? never. I don't have the power nor do I want to stop you from posting whatever drivel you want to. In my view, the more you post, the more it illustrates how ridiculous your position is. It was YOU who suggested that you were going to stop posting in the thread, not me. So post, or don't post, it is up to you.

If it was clear I am racist, I would have been banned a long time ago.

But clearly that is not the case and I am fully permitted to deal with the question of what mass immigration is doing to Canada.

Actually as far as I know there is no rule banning racists. You are free to be a racist if you want to be one. You are free to quote racist white-supremacist groups as you have already done. In fact I support free speech, so I support your right to be as racist as you like without being banned. Edited August 15, 2007 by Renegade

[Renegade]

I call these workers 'Temporary immigrant workers', (not official), over Renegades objections.

http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/

Actually even your cite has enough command of the English language to call them "temporary foreign workers" rather than "Temporary immigrant workers".

Does your defence of WECC culture go so far as to require that Canadians use English terms properly?

[Leafless]

What better way to demonstrate that you are not racist than to quote material originating from a racist white-supremacist group, eh Leafless?? ROTFLMAO X 2.

Again, thank-you. I haven't laughed so hard in years.

The petition is of no concern to me.

What is important to me are the issues, which I agree with 110%.

If you don't think the issues are significant or at least debatable, then I would say this makes you intolerant of the truth and demonstrates again your bias against 'White, English speaking, Christians' and their concerns against mass immigration.