Harper hails opening of grand Hindu temple

[Renegade]

It means integrating to the fundamental majority culture and traditions of the country like most Canadians did prior to the Charter.

Seems like what you are saying is that you are unhappy that the Charter and courts that stop the majority from bullying the minority and imposing its "culture" on the minority. Isn't that exactly what the Francophons did in Quebec with their language laws?

BTW, once the population balance shifts (and it eventually will), will you integrate to the culture of those former minorities since they will now be the majority?

Why don't you if you have the chance sometime sit down and read about the history of Canada and our close association with the U.S.

I'm quite familiar with it actually. We share many parallells with th US, however I do know we were given the option to join them in their revolutionary war and did not. We chose our own way instead. In any case, you didnt answer the question.

I have a very good idea what the will is of the majority White English speaking Christian Canadians and of course all other Canadians who agree with the majority culture and its traditions and history.

Only a few posts back you admitted that you had no idea. What enlightened you in such a short period?

But I cannot prove it and neither can you (forget polls in extremely important matters like this one) without an 'OFFICAL REFERENDUM' of one sort or another.

Proof is never absolute as attitudes can change over time, however I have provided lots of evidence to support my position, something you have failed to do, moreover every election is an indication of the will of he people.

One way a national party could possibly scrap the Charter is claim it unconstitutional and undemocratic and leave that decision up to Canadians if the government so chooses.

Then there is 'Black Law' to contest the Charter.

Or take it apart in bits and pieces.

No need. The Charter has a built in weakness: its override clause. You simply need to convince enough like-minded people to vote in a government which simply used the "nothwithstanding" clause to override any Charter concerns on any legislation.

I particular don't like having my majority culture stolen by a bunch of tyrants.

I will stay and fight.

I have PRINCIPLES.

Good for you, Leafless, Good on you!!! Don't let them get away with it. Pretty soon they will be making Punjabi the national language, and converting your church into a temple. Er, besides whine and complain about minorities and collusion in politicial parties, how is it you intend to fight?

The country that lies to the south of us that stretches from sea to sea, the UNITED STATED OF AMERICA.

Ah yes, the country which passed a Patriot Act and locked up thousands of people without a trial. Shining example of a democracy.

Either I am accepted or I am not.

Come to think of it you are right. There are some places you might just fit in and be accepted. Although I've never seen you ,I'm guessing your neck is as red as theirs.

[Leafless]

I can't see any scenario in this case in which Donation can mean EI payments, welfare payments, or any public money. Are you alleging that public money has been used or is that just mindless speculation on your part?

Speculation is allowed, especially pertaining to the UNPROVEN source of all donations relating to the construction of that temple.

Where do all ethnic immigrants get their revenue?

Are you suggesting they are all gainfully employed in legitimate occupations?

[Renegade]

Speculation is allowed, especially pertaining to the UNPROVEN source of all donations relating to the construction of that temple.

Ah I see. It isn't enough for you to know that people indivudally donated the funds. You want proof they came by those funds from legal private sources. I guess you cannot take a statement at face value despite how obvious the meaning might be. Perhaps I should be asking for proof that white Christian Canadian majority, is indeed white and is indeed Christian. You can't be too sure.

Where do all ethnic immigrants get their revenue?

They rub their ethnic magic lamp and it suddenly appears.

Are you suggesting they are all gainfully employed in legitimate occupations?

Yes, most of them are.

Edited August 1, 2007 by Renegade

[guyser]

Are you suggesting they are all gainfully employed in legitimate occupations?

Yes, most of them are.

In fact, in the 18-49 age group, they are employed at higher rates than Canadian born.

Ouch.Thats going to leave a mark.Probably wont buff out either.

Edited August 1, 2007 by guyser

[Leafless]

Seems like what you are saying is that you are unhappy that the Charter and courts that stop the majority from bullying the minority and imposing its "culture" on the minority. Isn't that exactly what the Francophons did in Quebec with their language laws?

What majority are you talking about, citizens of Canada or the federal government itself? I know of no one imposing any culture just those who refuse to adapt to the majority customs and traditions of the land.

Do you actually believe you can do anything you want in a host country, without causing MAJOR cultural problems with the majority of Canadians who made Canada the way it is to-day?

The Charter is an invention of the Liberals.

Traditionally the Liberals have received STRONG support from Quebec and have gotten their way with many issues including from PM Trudeau, a Quebecer who was directly responsible for 'official languages', multiculturalism and the Charter.

If Quebecers are to' backwards' to understand the dynamics and common objectives of the Canada and still want to continue the war on the 'Plains of Abraham', Trudeau is the man who did it by committing an act what could be seen as treason against the the rest of Canada.

Unfortunately Parliamentarians, provincial premiers were to gutless and to stunned to do anything to stop the passage of this discriminatory, biased Charter, giving primarily Quebec vast cultural powers.

This is where we stand to-day with a dysfunctional government that can no longer recognize national objectives and continues to do the only thing it knows, pandering to cultural desires of Quebec which of course with 'official multiculturalism' in the picture 'ethnic immigrants'.

Like I said many times, Canada is on a downward spiral and is only temporally buying time with ethnic immigrants and their tax contributions to pay for spoiled phony cultural groups including the king of cultural groups, Quebec and their outrageous demands that are breaking the backs of Canadian tax payers and the country.

BTW, once the population balance shifts (and it eventually will), will you integrate to the culture of those former minorities since they will now be the majority?

I don't believe Canada will be around that long in its present form to EVER see that happen.

[Leafless]

Are you suggesting they are all gainfully employed in legitimate occupations?

Yes, most of them are.

Another meaningless reply with no proof or evidence.

[Leafless]

Are you suggesting they are all gainfully employed in legitimate occupations?

Yes, most of them are.

In fact, in the 18-49 age group, they are employed at higher rates than Canadian born.

Ouch.Thats going to leave a mark.Probably wont buff out either.

Another meanigless reply with no proof or evidence.

You and Renegade must be sailing on the same ship.

[guyser]

Another meanigless reply with no proof or evidence.

You and Renegade must be sailing on the same ship.

What? When we provide you with proof you merely change the question...er move the goalposts.

But if I do provide, will you be honest and acknowledge it ?

[M.Dancer]

But if I do provide, will you be honest and acknowledge it ?

Can I take wagers on this?

[guyser]

But if I do provide, will you be honest and acknowledge it ?

Can I take wagers on this?

I take it you like "sure things" ?

[Leafless]

What? When we provide you with proof you merely change the question...er move the goalposts.

But if I do provide, will you be honest and acknowledge it ?

Why the dramatic preamble?

Simply post whatever you feel is adequate proof.

Like the old saying goes, 'there are always two sides to every story'.

[M.Dancer]

But if I do provide, will you be honest and acknowledge it ?

Can I take wagers on this?

I take it you like "sure things" ?

I have a friend who made a small pile of money on the leafs last season. the best odds he got were 5 to 2, 3 to 1 being the most common. But sure enough, the leafs finished out of the play offs and he collected his winnings.....

[Renegade]

Another meaningless reply with no proof or evidence.

Trying to provide evidence to a closed mind is like trying to play music for the deaf. It is only worthwhile for those who can appreciate it.

I have provided you all kinds of evidence in the past, but you are much too myoptic to actually acknowledge it. You dismiss polls, and surveys, and any evidence you don't like as the result of a conspiracy to hide the truth. Yet, when asked for evidence of your own, you refer to radio talk shows, which you can't even name. LOL, it would be a waste of time to provide you with evidence of what everyone else already knows.

[Renegade]

I know of no one imposing any culture just those who refuse to adapt to the majority customs and traditions of the land.

What kind of adaptation are you expecting? You expecting them to change their religion, or perhaps the colour of their skin?

Do you actually believe you can do anything you want in a host country, without causing MAJOR cultural problems with the majority of Canadians who made Canada the way it is to-day?

Its a free country. If I want to worship Greek gods and sing Gregorian chants, I am free to do so. Personally I doubt that it causes cultural problems with the majority of Canadians. It of course causes problems to a few closed-minded bigoted racists who can't deal with the cultural diversity. It is unfortunate that those small-minded bigots claim to speak for the majority.

I don't believe Canada will be around that long in its present form to EVER see that happen.

Do tell, what form will Canada be in?

[VashTS]

It amazes me how Leafless has blown this simple visit to a temple into "O NO THE HINDUS ARE TAKING OVER!! RUNN!!!!!" -___-

Leafless... you are a shame to all of us who call ourselves Born Canadians as you are too ignorant and self-conceited to notice your own flaws

The only thing you have shown in this thread is your hatred for immigrants and racism toward Hindus

This thread has long been lost for you and you should consider giving up, there is no way you can win this argument, as the MAJORITY of Canadians are not racist. With this being the case, you do not represent the "majority" of Canadians but are instead a "MINORITY" and according to YOUR logic... we shouldn't be arguing with you in the first place as your voice does not and should not count.

ALSO.. you keep telling people to provide evidence... yet out of 8 pages of replies... i have not seen ONE creditable source that you have provided to back up any of your claims.... Your little attempt with the population vs. tax contribution means nothing..... if Christians give more money to tax because there are more of them, its obvious that more tax dollars have to be spent on them as well...

I believe the Hindus are happy that they have built a magnificent temple with their money... and instead of complaining about it you should go out and donate your OWN money as well to your local church... I'm sure they'll gladly accept it....

I will end by saying Leafless..... as a Born Canadian.... I am ashamed that you are one of us... and as a Canadian I wish I could vote all the people like you off our wonderful country....

[Leafless]

Trying to provide evidence to a closed mind is like trying to play music for the deaf. It is only worthwhile for those who can appreciate it.

You mean gullible suckers.

I have provided you all kinds of evidence in the past, but you are much too myoptic to actually acknowledge it.

All what you provided as proof, was partisan or biased polls or surveys, the same type used to find out 'what kind of detergent do you wash your clothes in', 'what colour of car to you prefer', what is your favourite type of dessert'.

You are actually associating this method of simplistic logic in comparison to properly obtaining an offical government inquiry asked in written form and answered in written form relating to all important questions to our constitution, major cultural reforms, immigration concerns, official languages, multiclturalism, amending our Charter etc.

Man, you are a card.

How about providing proof associated with the government of Canada?

You don't have any because none exist, basically because the government of Canada is to cowardly to present the questions to Canadians to be answered in an official manner.

Yet, when asked for evidence of your own, you refer to radio talk shows, which you can't even name. LOL, it would be a waste of time to provide you with evidence of what everyone else already knows.

Talk shows I refuse to name, mainly for the preservation of free speech in our tightly little run regime. Liberal corruption, in the media almost everyday in one form or another and the outright Liberalization of Canada. This tells the story why Canada is what it is to-day being basically a little no-name country that caters to the cultures of the world, to come on in and do what Quebec has successfully done under the guise of multiculturalism.

These Liberals will do anything to wipe out majority White English speaking Christian Canadians.

Admit it Renegade, you have no official evidence of anything.

There is no such thing in Canada. If there was the Liberals would cease to exist as total corruption is the name of their game.

[Leafless]

I will end by saying Leafless..... as a Born Canadian.... I am ashamed that you are one of us... and as a Canadian I wish I could vote all the people like you off our wonderful country....

Oh yeah, another anti-free speech whiz.

As a born Canadian?

Oh, that makes you more special than myself being a born Canadian and whose family has been in Canada since 1876.

But your right about Canada being a wonderful country, rather 'WAS' a wonderful country before the racial discriminatory Charter came along, if you even know what that means.

But seriously I must ask you, what part of the woods do you live in because anybody that says "I wish I could vote all the people like you off our wonderful country....", sounds like you are one of the the worst ignorant, uninformed hicks, I have ever encountered.

[Renegade]

How about providing proof associated with the government of Canada?

Ironic that you would reject evidence from third-party sources, but ask for proof from the government. Isn't the govenment controlled by those same political parties your consider corrupt and in collusion? Yet you would accept evidence from them?

[Renegade]

Oh, that makes you more special than myself being a born Canadian and whose family has been in Canada since 1876.

What makes him more special is not that he is a born Canadian. What makes him more special than you is that he is not a racist.

If you actually read what he said, it is that he is ashamed you represent yourself as the voice of the Canadian majority when you are clearly not.

[Leafless]

What kind of adaptation are you expecting? You expecting them to change their religion, or perhaps the colour of their skin?

Are you poking fun at the word 'integration'.

Maybe we should keep our immigration White, English speaking and Christian.

Its a free country.

Its a free country because the White English speaking Christians MADE IT THAT WAY.

If I want to worship Greek gods and sing Gregorian chants, I am free to do so.

Since the Liberalization of Canada.

Personally I doubt that it causes cultural problems with the majority of Canadians.

And how do find the official answer to that one?

Could it be, referendums, referendums, referendums. If you don't get it by now, I don't know.

Do tell, what form will Canada be in?

United States of America.

Next question.

[Harry Nads]

From this point on you shall all behave. Now behave!

[Michael Bluth]

I will end by saying Leafless..... as a Born Canadian.... I am ashamed that you are one of us... and as a Canadian I wish I could vote all the people like you off our wonderful country....

So you only believe in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms when it applies to people who share your beliefs.

You did say you wish you could make those who don't share your beliefs leave the country? Didn't you? Or is Leafless the only person deserving of your special brand of judgmentalism?

Ahh, the beauty of the angry left. Freedom of speech as long as we agree with what you are saying.

Gotta love the true respect for all people. As long as their thoughts are within a narrowly accepted range.

[Renegade]

Maybe we should keep our immigration White, English speaking and Christian.

I don't doubt that a white Christian immigration policy is your preference, but who else do you speak for when you say "we".

Its a free country because the White English speaking Christians MADE IT THAT WAY.

Them and all the other Canadians who supported the adoption of the Constitution and the Charter.

If I want to worship Greek gods and sing Gregorian chants, I am free to do so.

Since the Liberalization of Canada.

Why, would I have been lynched prior to the "Liberalization of Canada"?

Could it be, referendums, referendums, referendums. If you don't get it by now, I don't know.

Can you answer how many federal referendums there have been? It amuses me to no end that the only evidence you demand is referendums, yet you use "talk shows" and "obversations" as evidence to form your own opinions.

United States of America.

Since you are convinced that Canada will be consumed by the US would it not save you some trouble if you just moved there now? There are folks there who will welcome you and will even give you your own white hooded robe.

[Renegade]

and as a Canadian I wish I could vote all the people like you off our wonderful country....

Personally I would not vote the same as you in this case. I believe we should take care of our own trash and not export it to other countries.

[VashTS]

But seriously I must ask you, what part of the woods do you live in because anybody that says "I wish I could vote all the people like you off our wonderful country....", sounds like you are one of the the worst ignorant, uninformed hicks, I have ever encountered.

I'm from Toronto.... WE call people hicks....

lol about voting you out.... i don't regret saying that... but i said "WISH"... thats what makes this country work... if selfish opinions like yours or mine were easily accepted then we'd be in one big mess... but everyone has their own selfish opinions, I'm no exception...i just cant stand narrow minded people who don't look past the color of peoples skin, IMO everyone should be treated based on who they are and not where they came from...