Harper hails opening of grand Hindu temple

[Canuck E Stan]

...i just cant stand narrow minded people who don't look past the color of peoples skin, IMO everyone should be treated based on who they are and not where they came from...

Is this thread about Miss America speeches?.......if so,.... I would also like to add the part about "peace for everyone in the world."

[Michael Bluth]

IMO everyone should be treated based on who they are and not where they came from...

Did you forgot to mention freedom of speech being a central tenet of Canadian society, or is denying that basic freedom another one of your self-admittedly selfish opinions?

[VashTS]

How did i deny his freedom? i just said what I thought... i thought i had that right too.....last time i checked anyway... i cant physically go and block him from posting... i can just say how much i wish he wouldn't say those things.... or think that way..... everyone at some point wishes they never met someone or that they would "just go to hell" or "disappear"

About the miss America line... lol i know it sounded chessy... but its true... the only thing I've seen Leafless manage to prove is his opinion and dislike of Hindus... or any OTHER religion besides Christianity...

We don't lecture kids in school about racism being "BAD" for nothing..... are we suppressing their opinions too? Should we stop and support their opinions of how their race/religion is superior to others because of the selfish beliefs their parents have planted within them? They also have freedom of speech.... but why do we know when its with kids that those opinions are wrong?... We KNOW that discriminating people because of their religion will only led to conflict.... if people respected each others religion and treated all the others as we treated our own wouldn't everyone get along? If places like Nepal can have Hindu's and Buddhists praying under ONE roof why cant we be as accepting to others? We are supposed to be Canada, the place with the friendlyist people according to outsiders... yet we have these thoughts among us, i guess they were talking about the immigrants...

To Leafless

I know Hindu people who watch those Christan TV shows in the morning... and i Know ones who have subscriptions to those newsletters, its not impossible for them to respect the other peoples religion while keeping their own, why can't you?

[guyser]

sounds like you are one of the the worst ignorant, uninformed hicks, I have ever encountered.

The gist of your arguement. The poster will not be able to wrestle the crown from you.

[Leafless]

I don't doubt that a white Christian immigration policy is your preference, but who else do you speak for when you say "we".

Of course I am talking in retrospect, prior to the Charter and relating to that cultural status quo, ( which was the majority White English speaking culture) in which most Canadians adhered to, (as I have NEVER HEARD of cultural complaints) outside of the linguistic ones from Quebec.

So, 'we' is basically all Canadians outside of Quebec.

Them and all the other Canadians who supported the adoption of the Constitution and the Charter.

Nope, it was a free country long before the introduction of the Charter (Canadians died fighting for this) and Canada with protected by almost identical federal human rights legislation since 1960. They took away 'property rights'.

Why, would I have been lynched prior to the "Liberalization of Canada"?

No, of course not and you would be free to do what you want since foreign religion numbers in Canada were small and represented NO THREAT to mainstream Canadian culture, like they do to-day.

Can you answer how many federal referendums there have been? It amuses me to no end that the only evidence you demand is referendums, yet you use "talk shows" and "obversations" as evidence to form your own opinions.

And I will repeat myself again: 'Canada is an undemocratic country, it is not represented by the 'will of Canadians' but rather of a totalitarian government who manipulates Canadian society like communist do. Canadians have no government backed evidence relating to many socital/cultural problems.

Like I said before, do you actually think the feds will ever admit 'offical multiculturalism' is a FAILURE.

Since you are convinced that Canada will be consumed by the US would it not save you some trouble if you just moved there now?

You are nothing more than a self righteous, condescending little arrogant immigrant who thinks you and your immigrant buddies are going to kick the Whites out of their own country.

Talk about the height of arrogance.

There are folks there who will welcome you and will even give you your own white hooded robe.

And they wonder why Americans are staying away from visiting Canada in droves.

Edited August 2, 2007 by Leafless

[M.Dancer]

And they wonder why Americans are staying away from visiting Canada in droves.

Ameicans haven't visited in droves for years. I think droves were replaced by cars in 1914

Edited August 2, 2007 by M.Dancer

[Leafless]

To Leafless

I know Hindu people who watch those Christan TV shows in the morning... and i Know ones who have subscriptions to those newsletters, its not impossible for them to respect the other peoples religion while keeping their own, why can't you?

This has got nothing to do with respecting anything.

It has to with ethnic cultures, culturally destabilizing the country due the actions of religious worship, which encourages segregation, which in turn leads to political demands that could be incompatible and damaging to Canada's majority culture, which is already happ

[Leafless]

To Leafless

I know Hindu people who watch those Christan TV shows in the morning... and i Know ones who have subscriptions to those newsletters, its not impossible for them to respect the other peoples religion while keeping their own, why can't you?

This has got nothing to do with respecting anything.

It has to with ethnic cultures, culturally destabilizing the country due the actions of religious worship, which encourages segregation, which in turn leads to political demands that could be incompatible and damaging to Canada's majority culture, which is already happening.

[M.Dancer]

It has to with ethnic cultures, culturally destabilizing the country due the actions of religious worship, which encourages segregation, which in turn leads to political demands that could be incompatible and damaging to Canada's majority culture, which is already happ

So you want to close down all places of religious worship or just forbid religious worship?

So very stalinesque.......

[Leafless]

It has to with ethnic cultures, culturally destabilizing the country due the actions of religious worship, which encourages segregation, which in turn leads to political demands that could be incompatible and damaging to Canada's majority culture, which is already happ

So you want to close down all places of religious worship or just forbid religious worship?

So very stalinesque.......

This is why 'official multiculturalism' will fail miserably due to the incompatibility of cultures.

It is perfectly natural though, there is evidence all cultural incompatibility over the world responsible for all kinds of atrocities.

Nothing like inviting disaster to your doorstep.

[Renegade]

So, 'we' is basically all Canadians outside of Quebec.

I find it amusing that you think you speak for all Canadians outside of Quebec. Tell me, do these other Canadians know that you are their spokesman? If they did I have no doubt they would disavow you.

No, of course not and you would be free to do what you want since foreign religion numbers in Canada were small and represented NO THREAT to mainstream Canadian culture, like they do to-day.

Ah I get it, you wouldn't lynch me before since you didn't feel threatned, but you would today because you feel under threat. right?

And I will repeat myself again: 'Canada is an undemocratic country, it is not represented by the 'will of Canadians' but rather of a totalitarian government who manipulates Canadian society like communist do. Canadians have no government backed evidence relating to many socital/cultural problems.

So you are saying that you would believe evidence coming from a "totalitarian government who manipulates Canadian society", but you won't believe 3rd party sources?

You are nothing more than a self righteous, condescending little arrogant immigrant who thinks you and your immigrant buddies are going to kick the Whites out of their own country.

No, my dear Leafless, though I do sympathize for immigrants who have to endure the intolerance you display. As far as kicking the whites out, no not at all. I KNOW that most white Canadians is are not bigoted, nor racist and welcome the diversity. As far as the small few racists who seem to have opinions and attitudes which match your own, the best thing to do is to expose their arguments for the hollow falsifications they are.

And they wonder why Americans are staying away from visiting Canada in droves.

I suppose the ones who come to visit are staying away due to the high Canadian dollar. It didn't seem to deter those Americans who wanted to move here though. 2006 was a record year for immigrations from the US. The Number of Americans Moving to Canada in 2006 Hit a 30-Year High

Edited August 2, 2007 by Renegade

[Renegade]

It has to with ethnic cultures, culturally destabilizing the country due the actions of religious worship, which encourages segregation, which in turn leads to political demands that could be incompatible and damaging to Canada's majority culture, which is already happening.

"destabilizing the country due the actions of religious worship"??? Are you for real? You should probably be more worred about the athiests and agnostics like myself, who are pretty adamant about keeping church separated from state.

[Leafless]

It has to with ethnic cultures, culturally destabilizing the country due the actions of religious worship, which encourages segregation, which in turn leads to political demands that could be incompatible and damaging to Canada's majority culture, which is already happening.

"destabilizing the country due the actions of religious worship"??? Are you for real? You should probably be more worred about the athiests and agnostics like myself, who are pretty adamant about keeping church separated from state.

I did include the other components related to large ethnic populations in Canada that make the aspect of 'incompatibility' real and a direct threat to Canada's majority culture.

Being agnostic or atheist means nothing relating to participating in cultural segregation.

[Renegade]

I did include the other components related to large ethnic populations in Canada that make the aspect of 'incompatibility' real and a direct threat to Canada's majority culture.

You seem to believe that the only way for a society to peacefully exist is to have one dominant culture which by force of law forces other cultures to adapt to its cultural norms. There are various examples around the world of different cultures co-existing peacefully and harmoniously.

[M.Dancer]

Canada's majority culture is winter......

Trust me, after a few ice seasons, they adapt....

Mon pays ce n'est pas un pays, c'est l'hiver

Mon jardin ce n'est pas un jardin, c'est la plaine

Mon chemin ce n'est pas un chemin, c'est la neige

Mon pays ce n'est pas un pays, c'est l'hiver

Dans la blanche cérémonie

Où la neige au vent se marie

Dans ce pays de poudrerie

Mon père a fait bâtir maison

Et je m'en vais être fidèle

À sa manière, à son modèle

La chambre d'amis sera telle

Qu'on viendra des autres saisons

Pour se bâtir à côté d'elle

Mon pays ce n'est pas un pays, c'est l'hiver

Mon refrain ce n'est pas un refrain, c'est rafale

Ma maison ce n'est pas ma maison, c'est froidure

Mon pays ce n'est pas un pays, c'est l'hiver

De mon grand pays solitaire

Je crie avant que de me taire

À tous les hommes de la terre

Ma maison c'est votre maison

Entre mes quatre murs de glace

Je mets mon temps et mon espace

À préparer le feu, la place

Pour les humains de l'horizon

Et les humains sont de ma race

Mon pays ce n'est pas un pays, c'est l'hiver

Mon jardin ce n'est pas un jardin, c'est la plaine

Mon chemin ce n'est pas un chemin, c'est la neige

Mon pays ce n'est pas un pays, c'est l'hiver

Mon pays ce n'est pas un pays, c'est l'envers

D'un pays qui n'était ni pays ni patrie

Ma chanson ce n'est pas une chanson, c'est ma vie

C'est pour toi que je veux posséder mes hivers

[Leafless]

I did include the other components related to large ethnic populations in Canada that make the aspect of 'incompatibility' real and a direct threat to Canada's majority culture.

You seem to believe that the only way for a society to peacefully exist is to have one dominant culture which by force of law forces other cultures to adapt to its cultural norms. There are various examples around the world of different cultures co-existing peacefully and harmoniously.

White English speaking majority Christian countries with high ratio ethnic immigration?

Name them?

[Leafless]

I find it amusing that you think you speak for all Canadians outside of Quebec. Tell me, do these other Canadians know that you are their spokesman? If they did I have no doubt they would disavow you.

Another dumb reply without a shred of evidence based on the opinion of a foreigner.

Ah I get it, you wouldn't lynch me before since you didn't feel threatned, but you would today because you feel under threat. right?

The point is adversely changing the direction of the country with large numbers of ethnics uncomfortable with White English speaking Christians with their culture and traditions.

This is happening now.

So you are saying that you would believe evidence coming from a "totalitarian government who manipulates Canadian society", but you won't believe 3rd party sources?

Sometimes I wonder if you have a clue what you are saying.

The government would NOT be a totalitarian government if it initially provided the kind of evidence we are talking about. We would not require a third party source.

No, my dear Leafless, though I do sympathize for immigrants who have to endure the intolerance you display. As far as kicking the whites out, no not at all. I KNOW that most white Canadians is are not bigoted, nor racist and welcome the diversity. As far as the small few racists who seem to have opinions and attitudes which match your own, the best thing to do is to expose their arguments for the hollow falsifications they are.

You have been labelling me with being a racist, a bigot, when all along it is you, with your spite and hate continually bringing up the race card and initiating a debate based your false accusations.

My concerns, if you do not know by now are with an undemocratic, imposed, faulty, corrupt, racially discriminating, Charter and the federal government.

And they wonder why Americans are staying away from visiting Canada in droves.

I suppose the ones who come to visit are staying away due to the high Canadian dollar. It didn't seem to deter those Americans who wanted to move here though. 2006 was a record year for immigrations from the US. The Number of Americans Moving to Canada in 2006 Hit a 30-Year High

That is what you like to believe, but the real truth is again hidden by government.

The only Americans moving to Canada IMO are fearful Democrats looking for freebies especially along the health care line.

[Renegade]

White English speaking majority Christian countries with high ratio ethnic immigration?

Why restrict it? Are you saying only White English-speaking Christians don't get along with ethnics?

Name them?

Start with Singapore.

[guyser]

White English speaking majority Christian countries with high ratio ethnic immigration?

Name them?

And once that is answered , the question will be " White English majority countries with high ethnic immigrants who are left handed"

and then it will be ..".....left handed bagpipe players"

and so on ...and so on...and so on

Edited August 2, 2007 by guyser

[guyser]

That is what you like to believe, but the real truth is again hidden by government.

The only Americans moving to Canada IMO are fearful Democrats looking for freebies especially along the health care line.

Uh oh, shot yourself in the foot again. The link is from ABC News, now whether they are our government or not might be, by your standards , debateable, but something tells me you a) never clicked the link , or b ) have reading incomprehensions.

Frankly, I wasnt going to comment, but my family pre-dates yours by a couple of hundred years.

Can you please get out by Monday...no wait, Mondays a holiday, ok Tuesday then. I do not need a referendum for this request.

Thanks for understanding.

Edited August 2, 2007 by guyser

[Renegade]

Another dumb reply without a shred of evidence based on the opinion of a foreigner.

Which foreigner are you referring to? What evidence are you looking for, evidece that I'm amused or evidence that I don't have a doubt? Would you like the government to do a referendum to find that out?

The point is adversely changing the direction of the country with large numbers of ethnics uncomfortable with White English speaking Christians with their culture and traditions.

This is happening now.

"adversely" is a matter of perspective. Personally I don't don't have any problem with the diversity I see all around in Canada and I see it as a positive influence. BTW, I'm not sure it i the ethnic immigrant population who is uncomfortable. I rather suspect that it is a few bigots who are uncomfortable.

The government would NOT be a totalitarian government if it initially provided the kind of evidence we are talking about. We would not require a third party source.

As much as I would like input on many governmental policies, the government is under no obligation to ask me except at election time. Since the Charter was brought in, I know of no party which has achived any success running on a platform to remove or amend the Charter. The tangible evidence is from third parties. Evidence you reject as biased or based upon collusion, without even showing that this bias exist.

You have been labelling me with being a racist, a bigot, when all along it is you, with your spite and hate continually bringing up the race card and initiating a debate based your false accusations.

Tell me, which race am I bigoted against? Numeous times I have stated that the Majority of White Christians are not racist or bigoted. It is only a select few which are. Your own statements prove my point.

That is what you like to believe, but the real truth is again hidden by government.

The only Americans moving to Canada IMO are fearful Democrats looking for freebies especially along the health care line.

Ah yes, the conspiracy gets wider. So now the government has conspired with ABC news to keep the "real truth" hidden. LOL. I suppose it has had to widen the conspiracy to all the outlets which resported the same story, right?

[mikedavid00]

What matters to me is the legal relationship between a person and his or her country and this is where majority White English speaking Canadian Canadians and all other Canadians with identical objectives have been betrayed, legally by a corrupt Charter.

Well I would say your legal choices are to change anything are fairly limited. Even if you could change things I see precious little support for your position from other "majority White English speaking Canadian Canadians". So I guess you are on your own buddy.

I support him 110%.

A second-gen "Persian-Canadian" girl at work also supports him.

(She converted to Orthodox christianity from Islam so she could get married).

She wont tell anyone becuase she fears for her life.

[Renegade]

I support him 110%.

md, I kind of knew that already, and looking at your posts I'm not surprised. My responses to you would be no different than my responses to him.

[VashTS]

What matters to me is the legal relationship between a person and his or her country and this is where majority White English speaking Canadian Canadians and all other Canadians with identical objectives have been betrayed, legally by a corrupt Charter.

Well I would say your legal choices are to change anything are fairly limited. Even if you could change things I see precious little support for your position from other "majority White English speaking Canadian Canadians". So I guess you are on your own buddy.

I support him 110%.

A second-gen "Persian-Canadian" girl at work also supports him.

(She converted to Orthodox christianity from Islam so she could get married).

She wont tell anyone becuase she fears for her life.

What forced her to convert? can't people get married with different religions? If they were both accepting of each other and their customs why not just do the marriage both ways? I don't see why you must change your religion to marry someone

[Leafless]

"adversely" is a matter of perspective. Personally I don't don't have any problem with the diversity I see all around in Canada and I see it as a positive influence.

Positive influence relating to what?

BTW, I'm not sure it i the ethnic immigrant population who is uncomfortable. I rather suspect that it is a few bigots who are uncomfortable.

If it was thousands of ethnic immigrants, they would feel uncomfortable without the proper resources to set up their culture.

But it is a major problem when ethnic immigration exceeds 300,00 per year. They care not for for Canada's majority cultural status quo and simply ignore it and move in their churches, their politics and continue life like wherever they came from and try to reform our political system to accommodate their imported political ideologies.

As much as I would like input on many governmental policies, the government is under no obligation to ask me except at election time. Since the Charter was brought in, I know of no party which has achieved any success running on a platform to remove or amend the Charter.

That is a problem isn't it?

And why is it a problem because a lot of the contents of the Charter is simply transferred rights and freedoms from our previous federal rights legislation introduced in the 60's.

Worked fine up until 1982 when Trudeau realized he could not manipulate Canadian society without stronger measures. Thus the reason for the Charter and why many Canadians think its great but overlook ( the rights and freedoms we ALREADY had for years) the underling reasons for the Charter and devious actions of the Liberals with the oppressing, racial discriminating aspects of Charter.

Tell me, which race am I bigoted against? Numeous times I have stated that the Majority of White Christians are not racist or bigoted. It is only a select few which are. Your own statements prove my point.

You continually show hate and spite relating to cultural realities or any positive statement being made in defence of the majority White English speaking Christians.

I don't believe a word you say about White, English speaking Christians are not racist or bigoted and is only a select few. I believe you hate the White race.

If you actually believed that, you would not venomously go out of your way to attack this poster but simply ignore this thread and poster, period.

But that you cannot do Renegade, because anyone that would bring up common sense issue's relating to ethnic immigration drives you into a fury as to who would or could EVER question the business of ethnic immigrants in Canada.

Ah yes, the conspiracy gets wider. So now the government has conspired with ABC news to keep the "real truth" hidden. LOL. I suppose it has had to widen the conspiracy to all the outlets which resported the same story, right?

ABC news has nothing to do with it.

What your doing is again, attacking this poster with your nonsensical replies.

As a matter of fact we personally know Democrat friendly U.S. immigrants who have specifically immigrated to Canada for the 'FREE HEALTHCARE'. That is why I previously mentioned it.

If you know there are two or three that do it for that reason, then you know there are thousands more including your ethnic immigrants that immigrate for the same reason.