Caucasians

[Melanie_]

You are completely wrong in our imputations, actually. My point here has been, all along, that floodgate immigration will first make caucasians a minority, and may eventually, through whatever means, make caucasians extinct as a 'race'.

My proposed solution is to stop immigration now, and allow such integration as is possible to take place over the next few generations. Coupled with this, we should allow economic need to drive the birth rate of those who are here now instead of relying on immigration.

The homeland issue only came up as a point of fact to describe a time when caucasians no longer have majority status in any location. They will, at that point, have no point of retreat. No 'homeland.' Idiots on this thread have taken that and run with it, turning it into some call for greater Aryania or whatever, and it is no such thing. Non-whites in the west would continue just the way they are now, with full rights of citizenship and full and equal participation in society.

What exactly is wrong with the above? Why do you feel a moral imperitive to allow this country to become majority non-caucasian? What is so important about it in your mind? Would you feel the same if Africa suddenly became the immigration target of choice and Blacks started to complain that they will soon become a minority in their countries?

And please stop concocting nonsense and trying to claim it came from my mouth.

I don't feel a moral imperative to promote caucasian or non caucasian majorities. I don't see it as an issue, to tell the truth. It's just a skin colour, with a myriad of potential variations, and I don't think it is in any danger, regardless. You have insisted that race, not culture or religion, is at the heart of a potential genocide, and that whites should fear non whites and take protective measures against them. I'm just trying to make sense of what I've read from you.

[ScottSA]

You are completely wrong in our imputations, actually. My point here has been, all along, that floodgate immigration will first make caucasians a minority, and may eventually, through whatever means, make caucasians extinct as a 'race'.

My proposed solution is to stop immigration now, and allow such integration as is possible to take place over the next few generations. Coupled with this, we should allow economic need to drive the birth rate of those who are here now instead of relying on immigration.

The homeland issue only came up as a point of fact to describe a time when caucasians no longer have majority status in any location. They will, at that point, have no point of retreat. No 'homeland.' Idiots on this thread have taken that and run with it, turning it into some call for greater Aryania or whatever, and it is no such thing. Non-whites in the west would continue just the way they are now, with full rights of citizenship and full and equal participation in society.

What exactly is wrong with the above? Why do you feel a moral imperitive to allow this country to become majority non-caucasian? What is so important about it in your mind? Would you feel the same if Africa suddenly became the immigration target of choice and Blacks started to complain that they will soon become a minority in their countries?

And please stop concocting nonsense and trying to claim it came from my mouth.

I'm just trying to make sense of what I've read from you.

No you're not. You're trying to make it into some kind of sinister white supremacy thing, compleat with genocide thrown in for good measure. Either you haven't actually read what I've written, or you're being dishonest about it.

[Melanie_]

But that's what I mean. All other races have a territorial homeland in which they are largely homogenous. That used to be true of caucasians in Europe as well, but by choice, that homogeniety is disappearing. Once it does, the race itself stands no chance of surviving as an entity.

As a caucasian, I don't think that's a good thing. I don't want my lily white sheep shagging ancestors to disappear into a genetic melting pot. On a more immediate level I don't want my kids or their kids or their kids to be faced with the potential of violence or even genocide with no place to retreat to. Once caucasians (thanks Argus, I know about the Caucasus lol) become a minority in Caucasia (the west), that potential exists, and strongly exists, given history. I think it entirely possible that in the not too distant future, Caucasians may become the Jews of the 22nd century, but with no Israel to retreat to.

That of course is the other side of the coin. It is clear to me that the melting pot is not happening, neither here nor in the US, and certainly not in Europe. Nor is the balkanization entirely cultural, although it is in some places ethno-cultural. But that balkanization is occuring is without question. As long as there is a hegemonic ethno-culture, the trouble can be minimized and the trouble-makers catered to...but what happens when the numbers begin to average out. This notion of a caramel coloured race of happy folks with vibrant street festivals ain't happening, so what is going to happen?

ScottSA has just read a little history and knows that races are not known for getting along real well; to wit: killing each other off every chance they get, everywhere and always without exception.

I have read what you have written - these examples are only from the first 6 or 7 pages of this thread, there are more scattered throughout. You seem to believe that genocide is on the horizon, and I just don't buy into it.

[sharkman]

I wonder if it is at all possible to supoort Canadian Caucasian culture and not be branded a fearmonger or white supremacist. Canada's population make-up is experiencing a rapid foundational change which will effect a reconstruction of Canada. It will never be the same. It will forever cease to exist as it was.

Some say change is a good thing, and in may cases purposeful change has real benefits. But the change being brought about in the population IS NOT BEING DONE TO CHANGE THE POPULATION. This is a side effect of a desperate grasp at population growth. Our governments' solution to a shrinking population is to open the floodgates, and this is having many side effects. To say it is not, or these side effects are mole hills is to stick one's head in the sand.

It seems that patriotism is at an all time low in Canada for there to be so little concern about this paradigm shift being brought about. The first step is to realize there is a problem.

[guyser]

I wonder if it is at all possible to supoort Canadian Caucasian culture and not be branded a fearmonger or white supremacist. Canada's population make-up is experiencing a rapid foundational change which will effect a reconstruction of Canada. It will never be the same. It will forever cease to exist as it was.

It was different yesterday, and was different from that the year before. We are changing daily as we need people to come here and live and pay taxes and make this country amazing. It was different in 1970 from what it was in 1960 and so on and so forth. You get my drift.

But was is white culture? I mean that . What is it? Food? ....we take from all sorts of ethnicities so it cannot with some exceptions, be that.

Music? On the East we have kaillaghs (oh , gonna get shite for mispelling that one), the West has the folkies, Alberta and Sask with plenty of Ont having the country sound. Oh wait a sec, maybe country music can be white, but not Charlie Pride.But more see that as American.

There is, from my perspective no "white" culture , but Canadian Culture is to me believable. Peameal,hockey,quietly getting the job done and fading into the wallpaper,poutine , cod tongues and cheeks,salmon,lumberjacks,Mounties , snow and cold in abundance,quietly unassuming people , these are all things that to me seem Canadian.

Some say change is a good thing, and in may cases purposeful change has real benefits. But the change being brought about in the population IS NOT BEING DONE TO CHANGE THE POPULATION. This is a side effect of a desperate grasp at population growth. Our governments' solution to a shrinking population is to open the floodgates, and this is having many side effects. To say it is not, or these side effects are mole hills is to stick one's head in the sand.

It seems that patriotism is at an all time low in Canada for there to be so little concern about this paradigm shift being brought about. The first step is to realize there is a problem.

As for patriotism, methinks the other way around. To me I see this country starting to celebrate a lot more. The Olympics comes to mind.

Change is inevitable. The gov has no choice. It serves us well, and admiittadly them too, to have people coming into this country and making a go of their lives. Anyone who wants to see growth in the value of their house, the value of the dolllar, the value in moving forward as a better country cannot deny immigration. The opposite is to stagnate, have the dollar sink, the greenbacks the liras the yens all leaving as an unwise place to spend capital for growth . That house you paid $200,000 for...?....congrats, it is now worth $150,000 .

You surely dont want that.

[sharkman]

Yeesh guyser, I think your half full glass is spilling over.

[M.Dancer]

I wonder if it is at all possible to supoort Canadian Caucasian culture and not be branded a fearmonger or white supremacist.

Yes but you will still be branded as kook. As I keep trying to point out, Caucasian in it's original meaning doesnot mean white skin. Iranians are caucasians, Tamils are caucasians, Greeks are caucasians, the Ainu of Japan are caucasians.......

With that being hopefully understood, what the fuck is Canadian Caucasian Culture? Naturally one assumes what is really meant is white (culture). Then I am forced to ask, what is that?

Surely no one here is stupid enough to suggest there is some monolithic definition of white culture?

Or has that question been already been inadvertantly answered by Scott?

[ScottSA]

But that's what I mean. All other races have a territorial homeland in which they are largely homogenous. That used to be true of caucasians in Europe as well, but by choice, that homogeniety is disappearing. Once it does, the race itself stands no chance of surviving as an entity.

As a caucasian, I don't think that's a good thing. I don't want my lily white sheep shagging ancestors to disappear into a genetic melting pot. On a more immediate level I don't want my kids or their kids or their kids to be faced with the potential of violence or even genocide with no place to retreat to. Once caucasians (thanks Argus, I know about the Caucasus lol) become a minority in Caucasia (the west), that potential exists, and strongly exists, given history. I think it entirely possible that in the not too distant future, Caucasians may become the Jews of the 22nd century, but with no Israel to retreat to.

That of course is the other side of the coin. It is clear to me that the melting pot is not happening, neither here nor in the US, and certainly not in Europe. Nor is the balkanization entirely cultural, although it is in some places ethno-cultural. But that balkanization is occuring is without question. As long as there is a hegemonic ethno-culture, the trouble can be minimized and the trouble-makers catered to...but what happens when the numbers begin to average out. This notion of a caramel coloured race of happy folks with vibrant street festivals ain't happening, so what is going to happen?

ScottSA has just read a little history and knows that races are not known for getting along real well; to wit: killing each other off every chance they get, everywhere and always without exception.

I have read what you have written - these examples are only from the first 6 or 7 pages of this thread, there are more scattered throughout. You seem to believe that genocide is on the horizon, and I just don't buy into it.

I am talking in these examples of the potential dangers facing our society in general and caucasians specifically if and when caucasians become a minority in their own countries. As you must know. But nice backtracking...even though it is thoroughly dishonest. In your last post you claimed that I wanted to exterminate non-caucasians, and here you're claiming something else entirely. Disgusting.

[ScottSA]

Change is inevitable. The gov has no choice. It serves us well, and admiittadly them too, to have people coming into this country and making a go of their lives. Anyone who wants to see growth in the value of their house, the value of the dolllar, the value in moving forward as a better country cannot deny immigration. The opposite is to stagnate, have the dollar sink, the greenbacks the liras the yens all leaving as an unwise place to spend capital for growth . That house you paid $200,000 for...?....congrats, it is now worth $150,000 .

You surely dont want that.

This is utter and complete nonsense. The proposition that immigration is necessary for economic or any other reason is simply a lie.

[M.Dancer]

I am talking in these examples of the potential dangers facing our society in general and caucasians specifically if and when caucasians become a minority in their own countries.

What unmittigated stupidity.

[guyser]

This is utter and complete nonsense. The proposition that immigration is necessary for economic or any other reason is simply a lie.

Ok then, how do you propose growth for this country. Who will fill the jobs?

I am sure your equity position in your house is pleasing to you , so how to continue that?

[Melanie_]

I am talking in these examples of the potential dangers facing our society in general and caucasians specifically if and when caucasians become a minority in their own countries. As you must know. But nice backtracking...even though it is thoroughly dishonest. In your last post you claimed that I wanted to exterminate non-caucasians, and here you're claiming something else entirely. Disgusting.

And I'm saying you are imagining potential dangers where there aren't any. There is nothing dishonest about what I have posted - I didn't say you wanted to exterminate non Caucasians, but rather that you wanted to create a homeland only for Caucasians, which you have clearly said. I questioned what would then happen to the non Caucasians who currently live there, which you had not addressed up to this point, other than saying they had somewhere to return to.

I am still wondering why you feel Canada is the land of last resort for Caucasians.

I wonder if it is at all possible to supoort Canadian Caucasian culture and not be branded a fearmonger or white supremacist.

Sharkman, ScottSA has been very clear that he is not talking about culture, but about race. But I'm curious how you are defining Canadian Caucasian Culture.

[ScottSA]

I wonder if it is at all possible to supoort Canadian Caucasian culture and not be branded a fearmonger or white supremacist.

Yes but you will still be branded as kook. As I keep trying to point out, Caucasian in it's original meaning doesnot mean white skin. Iranians are caucasians, Tamils are caucasians, Greeks are caucasians, the Ainu of Japan are caucasians.......

With that being hopefully understood, what the fuck is Canadian Caucasian Culture? Naturally one assumes what is really meant is white (culture). Then I am forced to ask, what is that?

Surely no one here is stupid enough to suggest there is some monolithic definition of white culture?

Or has that question been already been inadvertantly answered by Scott?

WHere we go dragging "culture" back into the issue. My ideas in this thread, as I've pointed out a trillion times, are not about "culture," but about race. The "White culture" thingy is not my idea, and I find it as unhelpful a concept as holding forth the idea of "Black culture."

Y'know Momo...this slavish insistence upon definitional obscurantism by you is getting sillier by the moment. Insisting that you don't know what I'm talking about when I use the term "caucasians" is like claiming you don't know what an elephant is, because when you stand an elephant next to a mouse, they both have four legs and must therefore be identical. If you don't know the difference between an Iranian and a Scotsman, then I'm sorry for your affliction, but need you celebrate it so loudly? And actually, by clumsily citing "Iran" as being caucasian, you are inadvertently pointing out one of the dangers of losing caucasians as a race. It is not the Persians who are caucasian, it was the Hurrians who were, and the operative term is "were," because they were subsumed, like the Celts in Anatolia.

[ScottSA]

I am talking in these examples of the potential dangers facing our society in general and caucasians specifically if and when caucasians become a minority in their own countries. As you must know. But nice backtracking...even though it is thoroughly dishonest. In your last post you claimed that I wanted to exterminate non-caucasians, and here you're claiming something else entirely. Disgusting.

And I'm saying you are imagining potential dangers where there aren't any. There is nothing dishonest about what I have posted - I didn't say you wanted to exterminate non Caucasians, but rather that you wanted to create a homeland only for Caucasians, which you have clearly said. I questioned what would then happen to the non Caucasians who currently live there, which you had not addressed up to this point, other than saying they had somewhere to return to.

I am still wondering why you feel Canada is the land of last resort for Caucasians.

Now you are being dishonest about being dishonest. What you said, and I quote, is this:

Scott wants a Caucasian homeland, which means that yes, he does want to start his own group, and yes, he does want to cause harm to other “races” – what does he propose to do with the non-Caucasians currently living in this homeland?

I was quite clear from the beginning that I am concerned with Caucasians becoming a minority in the west; not with booting out non-caucasians who are already here. Nor, at any point in this thread, did I advocate harming anyone...the point I am trying to make is that people may get harmed if something isn't done to stop floodgate immigration.

Nor did I say I want to "create" a homeland for Caucasians, what I said is that Europe and North Amerioca and Australia are Caucasian homelands at this point in history, and that if and when Caucasians become minorities in them, these countries are, in the event of very probable trouble, no longer havens. You can claim you don't "buy" the idea that racial violence is in the future, and I hope you're right. But you're very likely not right, given the history of the world.

Edited July 25, 2007 by ScottSA

[ScottSA]

This is utter and complete nonsense. The proposition that immigration is necessary for economic or any other reason is simply a lie.

Ok then, how do you propose growth for this country. Who will fill the jobs?

I am sure your equity position in your house is pleasing to you , so how to continue that?

I have already answered that a hundred times. Read the thread.

[guyser]

This is utter and complete nonsense. The proposition that immigration is necessary for economic or any other reason is simply a lie.

Ok then, how do you propose growth for this country. Who will fill the jobs?

I am sure your equity position in your house is pleasing to you , so how to continue that?

I have already answered that a hundred times. Read the thread.

No answer. I thought so. You skipped it the last time I asked too.

Pattern developing here, and your premise on this.....is false.

[ScottSA]

This is utter and complete nonsense. The proposition that immigration is necessary for economic or any other reason is simply a lie.

Ok then, how do you propose growth for this country. Who will fill the jobs?

I am sure your equity position in your house is pleasing to you , so how to continue that?

I have already answered that a hundred times. Read the thread.

No answer. I thought so. You skipped it the last time I asked too.

Pattern developing here, and your premise on this.....is false.

I said read the thread. I'm not going to get sucked into this truther game of repeating arguments over and over so they can be blithely ignored over and over again. Sorry.

[guyser]

I said read the thread. I'm not going to get sucked into this truther game of repeating arguments over and over so they can be blithely ignored over and over again. Sorry.

No need to apologize.

At least answering once would be nice, but if you aint got nothin', ya aint got nothing and should admit it.

[Hollus]

You can claim you don't "buy" the idea that racial violence is in the future, and I hope you're right. But you're very likely not right, given the history of the world.

This is complete BS. Violence ensues in response to a variety of stimuli. You've set the parameters of this thread as strictly dealing with skin color. As soon as you start bringing violence into the discussion you out-step your parameters.

[ScottSA]

You can claim you don't "buy" the idea that racial violence is in the future, and I hope you're right. But you're very likely not right, given the history of the world.

This is complete BS. Violence ensues in response to a variety of stimuli. You've set the parameters of this thread as strictly dealing with skin color. As soon as you start bringing violence into the discussion you out-step your parameters.

Whatever are you talking about? I "outstep" my parameters?

[Hollus]

You can claim you don't "buy" the idea that racial violence is in the future, and I hope you're right. But you're very likely not right, given the history of the world.

This is complete BS. Violence ensues in response to a variety of stimuli. You've set the parameters of this thread as strictly dealing with skin color. As soon as you start bringing violence into the discussion you out-step your parameters.

Whatever are you talking about? I "outstep" my parameters?

Skin color has never been and never will be the sole factor of racial violence. If you speak of racial violence you must speak of the environmental and sociological conditions from which it occurs. This most certianly includes culture, which you have barred from debate. Your musings of racial violence are completely irrational within the sope you have set for this thread.

[ScottSA]

[skin color has never been and never will be the sole factor of racial violence. If you speak of racial violence you must speak of the environmental and sociological conditions from which it occurs. This most certianly includes culture, which you have barred from debate. Your musings of racial violence are completely irrational within the sope you have set for this thread.

It doesn't matter what the reasons for violence are if the factions of that violence line up along racial lines. The fact of that division is quite enough in and of itself. Obviously folks are not going to spontaneously combust and arise in a great flurry of violence "just because," and if and when violence occurs it will undoubtably be the result of long smoldering anger triggered by some event or long-lasting situation. But just because "race" doesn't form the totality of the cause doesn't mean race is somehow outside the cause.

I really don't know why I keep allowing myself to be dragged into this violence thingy. It's not my central point, and I offered it only as one of several dark outcomes to our current immigration policies. Ultimately, as melanie said, you can "buy it" or not...since it's in the future none of us can claim it will or won't happen...I merely pointed out that given world history and the ongoing theme of racial disharmony everywhere and always, there's a very good chance that at some point violence will occur.

[kimmy]

How silly for white people to worry about what might happen if they lose political power?

What's to worry about?

Seriously, what could go wrong?

-k

[ScottSA]

How silly for white people to worry about what might happen if they lose political power?

What's to worry about?

Seriously, what could go wrong?

-k

Uhoh, brace yourselve for the inevitable storm of post-colonial revisionist pap.

[Melanie_]

How silly for white people to worry about what might happen if they lose political power?

What's to worry about?

Seriously, what could go wrong?

-k

Come on, Kimmy, you know the examples you are citing here are also part of a larger reality. Are you really comparing whites in Canada today (or in ScottSA's imagined future) to the whites in South Africa during Apartheid, or the whites in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe pre-Mugabe? These are examples of white people losing power that they used for brutal oppression; this in no way justifies violence from the oppressed, but it also is a poor parallel.