Caucasians

[Xman]

Debating whether the premise of his argument is valid in NOT "jumping all over him".

Here's a question just as valid: Is anyone concerned that the beautiful people are intentionally destroying themselves as a homogenous race by having sex with uglies?

[M.Dancer]

Okay...hows this......given that whiteness is a recessive gene.....the only hope for preserving it is a culture of sexual xenophobia.....but being first and foremost a coinoiseur of fine women, I say no.

If that doesn't work then how about this.....

Given that whiteness is a blip in the history of humanity and that of "Caucasians" then whether my genes live on in the form of an olive skinned black eyed descendant or a red haired green eye one is irrelevant....they would still be genetically my Caucasian descendants.

one last.......

There are hundreds of millions of "white" Caucasians (billions of Caucasians of all shades) ...the low birthrate of a few decades is no cause for racial alarm........besides, we could all have 10 kids if we wanted to live in squalor.....

But at the same time if some people in the interest of protecting the "white race" (whatever that is, or whatever they see it as) make the decision to date only white women/men etc....how is that any of our business. I don't see anything racist about it at all. If a black guy said he only wanted to date black women I wouldn't jump all over him and accuse him of thinking his race was superior. And chances are neither would the people jumping all over Scott.

Whether someone choose to limit their love life by only dating white folk or jews or catholics is of no concern of mine. Whether someone decides only to eat beef is equally no concern of mine. Unless of course I was a proctologist .

[M.Dancer]

Debating whether the premise of his argument is valid in NOT "jumping all over him".

Here's a question just as valid: Is anyone concerned that the beautiful people are intentionally destroying themselves as a homogenous race by having sex with uglies?

As an ugly, yes....I have a vested interest in sex with beautiful people.

[Xman]

Now this is a discussion.

Do you think that "ugly" is a dominant gene?

[Mad_Michael]

Race is a subject created so racists can worry about it.

[Xman]

Reality is what you believe it to be.

[M.Dancer]

Reality is what you believe it to be.

the reality i believe is that unless you stop spamming, your account may be suspended.

...and if I am correct, that is a shared belief.

[Moxie]

If a poster thinks this topic is redundant and stupid why take the time to reply? Any attempt at "Adult" dialog on any subject should be allowed to flourish even if others think it's STUPID. Opinions are like !@##$ we all have them.

[jefferiah]

Debating whether the premise of his argument is valid in NOT "jumping all over him".

Here's a question just as valid: Is anyone concerned that the beautiful people are intentionally destroying themselves as a homogenous race by having sex with uglies?

Xman, I could be wrong here. I dont know ScottSA. But look, from what I have seen thus far his question is not at all identical to yours. He never said anything about whites being the beautiful people while the rest are the uglies. There is a distinct possibility that what he is saying is not what you are making it out to be.

The fact that he is looking at the possibility of the extinction of "white people" (whatever his definition is) and considering if there are ways to prevent it does not necessarily mean he wants other races out of the way.

I would have no problem dating a person of another race. I have no problem with people saying they find people of one particular race more attractive. Thats just a matter of preference. Some girls are attracted to tall guys and I am short.....Whoop dee doodle. If a black guy said to me "you know, jeff nothing against white people, but id like to marry a black girl and have black kids" i wouldnt care. Would you? That's his business and he isnt hurting anybody. Plus if I heard a black saying he was concerned over black populations falling (in some imaginary era) and he and some other people would like to try to preserve it (as long as they dont force others) whats the problem with that. I mean to some people it may not be a big deal, some people might like to try to preserve it. I dont care if they tear down a pub in Ireland that's been around since 1674. But some people do care and take it upon themselves to try to preserve it. And thats their thing. Thats their business.

Maybe we should enforce equal opportunity dating laws so that people have to date so many people of another race during their lifetime?

[Xman]

Must I hold your hands and walk you through the meaning of the statement: Reality is what you believe it to be? If that profound statement gets me banned, in light of the ad hominen attacks committed by members against each other, the worst I've seen at any forum, then so be it.

[ScottSA]

Must I hold your hands and walk you through the meaning of the statement: Reality is what you believe it to be? If that profound statement gets me banned, in light of the ad hominen attacks committed by members against each other, the worst I've seen at any forum, then so be it.

It's hardly a profound statement. In fact, it's rather old hat relativism at its most basic level. Clearly you suffer from multiple disorders, two of which; moderate to low intelligence, and the belief that you are quite clever; make for a highly annoying poster. I can only hope that you are a noisy undergrad in some half-rate university trying out your philosophical wings, because if you are representative of what degree programs are turning out these days, we're all in trouble. The tendency to shout down ideas you don't agree with is a worrisome trend in today's world...no matter what its aims are, it's totalitarian at its core.

In terms of your arguments, you really have none, and hiding behind Morris is hardly going to help you prove any points.

And please stop spamming.

[M.Dancer]

I looked behind me and contrary to published reports, no one was hiding there.

[ScottSA]

Xman, I could be wrong here. I dont know ScottSA. But look, from what I have seen thus far his question is not at all identical to yours. He never said anything about whites being the beautiful people while the rest are the uglies. There is a distinct possibility that what he is saying is not what you are making it out to be.

The fact that he is looking at the possibility of the extinction of "white people" (whatever his definition is) and considering if there are ways to prevent it does not necessarily mean he wants other races out of the way.

Jefferiah, I do appreciate the defense, but the fact of the matter is that I couldn't care less if someone wants to call me a racist. No, I don't believe in white superiority; I think it's silly. No, I don't believe in genocide against others; I think it's atrocious. No, I'm not a Nazi, because I hate totalitarianism, and I especially hate socialism, whether it's directed toward the state as with the Nazis, or toward the masses, as with hard and soft "socialist" systems. But frankly none of that matters, because people like Xman and MM really don't want to hear it anyway, prefering instead to trill trite bumper sticker slogans like MM's "Race is a subject created so racists can worry about it." I mean really...who cares what people like that think?

I brought up a question I think is important, and a question that should have been addressed decades ago. If people want to stand on the sidelines and throw manure, it's no concern of mine. In fact, I think our society has to break out of this ridiculous coccoon of fear that any mention of race is a no no. Christ, Blacks hold "million man marches," an event we can all be sure has to do directly with race, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton has made careers out of whining loudly about race, Indians of all stripes bellow about race all day long and well into the night...the Chinese even have a political party based on race, but Caucasians can't possibly talk about it or else it suddenly means concentration camps, gas chambers, and ovens? What utter hogwash.

[ScottSA]

Genocides against races, well lets see, what successful ones have we had?

I can think of 2 successful genocides, both against island dwelling hunter gathers.......

I take it you think attempted genocides are acceptable if they're not completely successful then? It's possible a lot of elderly Israelis would beg to differ, but hey, what do I know? What an odd morality you have.

Edited July 12, 2007 by ScottSA

[jefferiah]

Xman, I could be wrong here. I dont know ScottSA. But look, from what I have seen thus far his question is not at all identical to yours. He never said anything about whites being the beautiful people while the rest are the uglies. There is a distinct possibility that what he is saying is not what you are making it out to be.

The fact that he is looking at the possibility of the extinction of "white people" (whatever his definition is) and considering if there are ways to prevent it does not necessarily mean he wants other races out of the way.

Jefferiah, I do appreciate the defense, but the fact of the matter is that I couldn't care less if someone wants to call me a racist. No, I don't believe in white superiority; I think it's silly. No, I don't believe in genocide against others; I think it's atrocious. No, I'm not a Nazi, because I hate totalitarianism, and I especially hate socialism, whether it's directed toward the state as with the Nazis, or toward the masses, as with hard and soft "socialist" systems. But frankly none of that matters, because people like Xman and MM really don't want to hear it anyway, prefering instead to trill trite bumper sticker slogans like MM's "Race is a subject created so racists can worry about it." I mean really...who cares what people like that think?

I brought up a question I think is important, and a question that should have been addressed decades ago. If people want to stand on the sidelines and throw manure, it's no concern of mine. In fact, I think our society has to break out of this ridiculous coccoon of fear that any mention of race is a no no. Christ, Blacks hold "million man marches," an event we can all be sure has to do directly with race, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton has made careers out of whining loudly about race, Indians of all stripes bellow about race all day long and well into the night...the Chinese even have a political party based on race, but Caucasians can't possibly talk about it or else it suddenly means concentration camps, gas chambers, and ovens? What utter hogwash.

And I dont have any problem with that.

[jefferiah]

Xman, I could be wrong here. I dont know ScottSA. But look, from what I have seen thus far his question is not at all identical to yours. He never said anything about whites being the beautiful people while the rest are the uglies. There is a distinct possibility that what he is saying is not what you are making it out to be.

The fact that he is looking at the possibility of the extinction of "white people" (whatever his definition is) and considering if there are ways to prevent it does not necessarily mean he wants other races out of the way.

Jefferiah, I do appreciate the defense, but the fact of the matter is that I couldn't care less if someone wants to call me a racist. No, I don't believe in white superiority; I think it's silly. No, I don't believe in genocide against others; I think it's atrocious. No, I'm not a Nazi, because I hate totalitarianism, and I especially hate socialism, whether it's directed toward the state as with the Nazis, or toward the masses, as with hard and soft "socialist" systems. But frankly none of that matters, because people like Xman and MM really don't want to hear it anyway, prefering instead to trill trite bumper sticker slogans like MM's "Race is a subject created so racists can worry about it." I mean really...who cares what people like that think?

I brought up a question I think is important, and a question that should have been addressed decades ago. If people want to stand on the sidelines and throw manure, it's no concern of mine. In fact, I think our society has to break out of this ridiculous coccoon of fear that any mention of race is a no no. Christ, Blacks hold "million man marches," an event we can all be sure has to do directly with race, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton has made careers out of whining loudly about race, Indians of all stripes bellow about race all day long and well into the night...the Chinese even have a political party based on race, but Caucasians can't possibly talk about it or else it suddenly means concentration camps, gas chambers, and ovens? What utter hogwash.

I cant remember where I read the quote but some fellow from the US once said something to the effect of:

I am American-sorry.

It was a joke of course, but yeah it's like the same thing with being white.

A while back I remember someone starting threads about your personal experiences with black people, native people, etc. Everyone answered pretty civil and gave nice answers. And then when someone started a thread called Your Personal Experiences With White Anglo Saxons---well it was a free for all to make insults. And the thing is it didnt offend me either. And probably a lot of stuff people said were just jokes anyway, but you know you couldnt do the same thing vice versa wise.

[Hollus]

I don't feel the preservation of a skin colour should be a conscionable effort or concern because I don't see physical characteristics as having any significance in the quality of a persons character.

Some of the people in this thread who are concerned about the demise of white skin are the same people making derogatory comments and generalizations towards other cultures. This ethnocentrism may not be outright racist but it certainly is not far off. If these people are worried of discrimination I think they should be addressing the ignorance from which discrimination stems rather than focusing on insulating themselves with greater numbers of people that share their physical characteristics.

At a time when the collective ingenuity and co-operation of the human race is of the utmost importance, the myopic concerns of appearance can only serve to negate our progress.

[marcinmoka]

What puzzles me is the very notion that there is some valuable underlying characteristic worth preserving in the "Caucasian" race. Sure, perhaps you may be attracted to another Caucasian person for aesthetic reasons (or to any other "race", and fine, so be it, whatever floats your boat, for there is nothing wrong in choice).

But to actively worry about the demise of said group? Sure, we have many brilliant thinkers, great athletes, aesthetically pleasing folk which all belong to this category, but we also have many nut jobs, dope heads, thieves, wife abusers in other words, not the type of people whom you would want to glorify.

Is there anything intrinsically better about one group over another? Fools are fools, geniuses are geniuses, regardless of shade.

While I hate to bring up anecdotal evidence, I feel I must, for it is definitely not for reasons of Political Correctness that I think this is of no genuine concern. I happen to live in a neighborhood populated with many of the latter ("white trash" for lack of a better word), so maybe my views are a little biased. Granted, I was raised in similar economic conditions, but I prefer to think myself as being separate from those of my surroundings, and I am sure most of you would too. A simple walk through my neighborhood and you would also be wondering what exactly all the worrying is about.

[Xman]

Xman, I could be wrong here. I dont know ScottSA. But look, from what I have seen thus far his question is not at all identical to yours.

Just as valid, not identical.

[jefferiah]

Xman, I could be wrong here. I dont know ScottSA. But look, from what I have seen thus far his question is not at all identical to yours.

Just as valid, not identical.

No certainly not identical and certainly not equal in validity. And dont try to do a 180 and say you werent implying thats that what he was saying. You know it, I know it.

[Xman]

...we have many brilliant thinkers, great athletes, aesthetically pleasing folk which all belong to this category, but we also have many nut jobs, dope heads, thieves, wife abusers in other words, not the type of people whom you would want to glorify.

"And some of the thinkers/athlethes/beautiful people are also crazy/addicts/thieves/abusers...in fact, serial killers come from white middle/upper class homes." - ScottSA.

[ScottSA]

What puzzles me is the very notion that there is some valuable underlying characteristic worth preserving in the "Caucasian" race. Sure, perhaps you may be attracted to another Caucasian person for aesthetic reasons (or to any other "race", and fine, so be it, whatever floats your boat, for there is nothing wrong in choice).

But to actively worry about the demise of said group? Sure, we have many brilliant thinkers, great athletes, aesthetically pleasing folk which all belong to this category, but we also have many nut jobs, dope heads, thieves, wife abusers in other words, not the type of people whom you would want to glorify.

Is there anything intrinsically better about one group over another? Fools are fools, geniuses are geniuses, regardless of shade.

While I hate to bring up anecdotal evidence, I feel I must, for it is definitely not for reasons of Political Correctness that I think this is of no genuine concern. I happen to live in a neighborhood populated with many of the latter ("white trash" for lack of a better word), so maybe my views are a little biased. Granted, I was raised in similar economic conditions, but I prefer to think myself as being separate from those of my surroundings, and I am sure most of you would too. A simple walk through my neighborhood and you would also be wondering what exactly all the worrying is about.

Have you ever walked through a third world slum? If material conditions, and the intellectual stunting that results, is the measure by which we are to determine the worthiness of races, I daresay we'd best break out the zyclon B and the crop dusters and start flying toward Asia and Africa.

I don't think there is anything intrinsically better about one over the other, but I don't think that's the question. The question is not the relative worth of races, because I don't think there is much difference, if any, in the inherent worthiness of races. I think there are many reasons why caucasians bolted ahead in every field of endeavor in the last 500 years, but I sincerely doubt that whiteness was one of them. But that doesn't mean I think it makes no difference if caucasians fade away or are done away with either. It makes a great deal of difference to me.

[Xman]

I think there are many reasons why caucasians bolted ahead in every field of endeavor in the last 500 years, but I sincerely doubt that whiteness was one of them.

Do you mean Europeans? What about contributions made by Jewish/Chinese thinkers? Prosperity is a likely reason for advancement. When one is hungry, it is difficult to think of much else.

Edited July 12, 2007 by Xman

[ScottSA]

I think there are many reasons why caucasians bolted ahead in every field of endeavor in the last 500 years, but I sincerely doubt that whiteness was one of them.

Do you mean Europeans? What about contributions made by Jewish/Chinese thinkers? Prosperity is a likely reason for advancement. When one is hungry, it is difficult to think of much else.

This discussion is over your head. I'm not talking about the 13th century, nor am I excluding Jews from caucasians. And did you imagine that prosperity just fell from the sky? How come it didn't dump on the Zulu or the M'tbele? After all, Africa has far more riches than Europe ever did. Why don't you trot along and plagiarize Marx or something?

[Xman]

Well, enlighten me. Explain how? On the backs of the Romans?