TEACHERS are entitled to EI benefits?

[jillwith3]

As a teacher with a full-time contract with a board in Ontario, I can fully assure you that teachers who are full time are not eligible for EI benefits in the summer. As if...

Substitute teachers are eligible for EI in the summer months as they are not on a contract, hence do not receive a salary and are paid on a per day basis when they are called in to teach.

Part time teachers...I'm not sure because they are still on salary from the board, but only on a part time basis. I don't think they would be eligible for EI.

Most teachers that I know who are substitute also try to teach summer school.

[geoffrey]

Just about every person I ever worked with has used EI but that's because I'm in IT and now 85% of IT jobs in Toronto are contract (heard on radio) so there's never security.

That's ridiculous. Out here there is demand for IT professionals. Don't want to move, don't expect support.

Now the *rare* people in Canada who take up a PROFESSION ie: Teacher, Nurse, ACCOUNTANT (you) will never have problems finding employment. Everyone else is just struggling to get buy and keep their jobs. This includes me.

Again, only because your unwilling to move.

People who are accountants or teachers or nurses are not working real jobs IMO beucase they are always 100% garunteed employment all the time which is NOT the case for the average private sector worker like me who always is wondering when the axe will fall.

But I have to say that accountants really have crapy work so I don't envy them!

Depends on what the accountant does. I know some that do really crappy work, processing cheques, filling out forms. Myself, I rarely even deal with numbers and am only at my desk a couple hours a day.

Beyond that, I don't see how I don't have a real job. If I were in the manufacturing sector in Ontario, I'd be concerned for my job. I'd also just move to where the jobs are.

[Xman]

Compared to the tax dollars that go to corporate welfare bums, seasonal EI is no big deal. It's this puritanical work ethic philosophy that says "no handouts", "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", etc. Somehow these folks don't seem to know or care about the billions of our tax dollars (far more than EI) given outright to big business.

Edited July 10, 2007 by Xman

[gc1765]

Full-time teachers are NOT entitled to EI benefits. Teachers can get EI if for the summer IF they are not returning in September. Otherwise, no, they do not get EI.

[Xman]

They don't need to - they enjoy the 8 weeks of summer holiday while still receiving cheques - I guess we could have gone into that profession if we wanted some of that. Right, mikedavid00?

Edited July 10, 2007 by Xman

[geoffrey]

Compared to the tax dollars that go to corporate welfare bums, seasonal EI is no big deal. It's this puritanical work ethic philosophy that says "no handouts", "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", etc. Somehow these folks don't seem to know or care about the billions of our tax dollars (far more than EI) given outright to big business.

Valid complaint. Ideally, we wouldn't coercively transfer wealth between the common taxpayer and corporations or between the common taxpayer and the unemployed.

[Xman]

Compared to the tax dollars that go to corporate welfare bums, seasonal EI is no big deal. It's this puritanical work ethic philosophy that says "no handouts", "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", etc. Somehow these folks don't seem to know or care about the billions of our tax dollars (far more than EI) given outright to big business.

Valid complaint. Ideally, we wouldn't coercively transfer wealth between the common taxpayer and corporations or between the common taxpayer and the unemployed.

Except that the unemployed were once employed and paid insurance premiums for their employment benefits. The original complaint in this thread is myopic to the purpose of EI which is to keep citizens (and their families in some cases) on their feet through job loss. It's all good.

[geoffrey]

Except that the unemployed were once employed and paid insurance premiums for their employment benefits. The original complaint in this thread is myopic to the purpose of EI which is to keep citizens (and their families in some cases) on their feet through job loss. It's all good.

That's nonsense. Obviously the consistantly employed are subsidizing the cyclically unemployed. The people that use EI rarely have paid in what they will take out. The cost is spread over the generally employed population. Most people do not use EI, their dollars subsidize those that can't hold down a job.

As well, it amounts to a regional transfer program that is not considered in equalisation. EI payments from Albertans go to unemployed Newfoundlanders, ect. ect.. Needless to say, the low unemployment provinces (compared to the national rate) of Alberta, Manitoba and BC are funding the high unemployment provinces (compared to the national rate) of the Maritimes, Quebec and now Ontario.

[Xman]

That's why it's called INSURANCE. It ensures that the level of poverty is decreased. A good thing. Yes?

[ScottSA]

That's why it's called INSURANCE. It ensures that the level of poverty is decreased. A good thing. Yes?

:lol: Stupid quote of the day...

[Xman]

Yet, you want to know (for research purposes) what we can do to protect white privilege. Come now. Grow up.

[ScottSA]

Yet, you want to know (for research purposes) what we can do to protect white privilege. Come now. Grow up.

Let's try to stay focussed here...you DO know that EI is not some idiotic socialist plan to ensure against poverty in society, right?

[Xman]

No??? And how does it hinder white privilege?

[geoffrey]

That's why it's called INSURANCE. It ensures that the level of poverty is decreased. A good thing. Yes?

No. Poverty wouldn't exist where poverty meant starvation. It's because we have the ability to be lazy that we are. If it was a choice of relocate to find work or die, there wouldn't be any poverty either. People would always choose to work when the other choice is starvation.

[mikedavid00]

The people that use EI rarely have paid in what they will take out. The cost is spread over the generally employed population. Most people do not use EI, their dollars subsidize those that can't hold down a job.

Now why are you incapable of applying this same logic towards immigration effects on healthcare insurance?

Ah yes, a personal, emotional bias on the subject.

[geoffrey]

The people that use EI rarely have paid in what they will take out. The cost is spread over the generally employed population. Most people do not use EI, their dollars subsidize those that can't hold down a job.

Now why are you incapable of applying this same logic towards immigration effects on healthcare insurance?

Ah yes, a personal, emotional bias on the subject.

Not really. I don't want to pay for anyone's health insurance. Idealistically, we'd have private care.

But we don't. So I don't really see why I should care more about you than some immigrant.

Should we disallow sick people from our country? For sure, as long as we have socalised medicine. But once they are here, I can't possibly imagine why they should be treated any differently.

[gc1765]

Poverty wouldn't exist where poverty meant starvation.

Yeah, there's no poverty in Africa...

[Renegade]

That's why it's called INSURANCE. It ensures that the level of poverty is decreased. A good thing. Yes?

You miss the other pont, that EI also ensures a lack of freedom. People have no ability to choose their abilty to participate in the plan. Lack of freedom is a bad thing. No?

Edited July 11, 2007 by Renegade

[M.Dancer]

Poverty wouldn't exist where poverty meant starvation.

Yeah, there's no poverty in Africa...

Yes that's a good one. The reality is though stavation and poverty don't always go hand in hand in africa. People with wealth (allbeit, relative wealth) often starve. The issues are that food doesn't always make it to where it is needed. The main reason for this isn't lack of money, but lack of security and infrastructure.

Take a look at the last big famines in Africa...from Biafra to Darfor with a dose of Somalia thrown in. The reason for the famine was war.....those two horsemen are always seen together...

Now you could say that if they had money they could leave....true, but that lack of roads and roving armed bands tend to make that a little iffy....

[JerrySeinfeld]

As a normal straight thinking free-enterpriser, I think I speak for anyone with a job when I say:

the unemployment rate in this country is virtually nil.

Teachers who work part time and can't teach in the summer have made a bad career choice. First they milked the subsidized education system training to do a job that obviously isn't in demand (otherwise why would they be working part time). Then when they get into the work world and can't make any money, they apply for EI.

If you made the MAJOR error of taking on student loans and miling the public system training for a low demand profession, you should suffer the consequences and...

GET A FUCKING SUMMER JOB

[gc1765]

The main reason for this isn't lack of money, but lack of security and infrastructure.

Some good points...but there is no doubt that many people do die in Africa from lack of money, either from starvation or from malaria (link)

[margrace]

That's why it's called INSURANCE. It ensures that the level of poverty is decreased. A good thing. Yes?

No. Poverty wouldn't exist where poverty meant starvation. It's because we have the ability to be lazy that we are. If it was a choice of relocate to find work or die, there wouldn't be any poverty either. People would always choose to work when the other choice is starvation.

Too bad, as I have said before ad infinitium, I would like to talk to you in 50 years. I wonder how great your life will have been.

[geoffrey]

Yeah, there's no poverty in Africa...

They don't have the resources to rise above poverty, anyone in Canada (not mentally sick) can do whatever they want to. The final result is pretty close to the choices one makes.

Too bad, as I have said before ad infinitium, I would like to talk to you in 50 years. I wonder how great your life will have been.

I know you've lived the most unfortunate life with your constant sad stories, but some of us aren't as neurotic and tend to enjoy life and see the positives. Perhaps that's where the difference really rests, hey?

There are people that complain about every event and blame society, and those that accept responsibility for themselves and deal with it.

[mikedavid00]

There are people that complain about every event and blame society, and those that accept responsibility for themselves and deal with it.

Well I would't fully agree. I mean if you are in the third world and born to poor parents, you will have no chance in life. You can't take responsibility for that. I can't take responsiblity for the dumb things my gov't does (income trusts). They are doing things without the will of the people (no voting on propositions).

I guess what makes your post correct is your assertion that the 'events' of life is what you make of it. For instance, supose your poor in Pakistan.. a peasant on the street. There is a very good chance that you will live a more happy and fulfilling life than some insecure lame who works on Wallstreet.

Kind of like how the hobbits were a poor underclass, yet they were the happiest of the bunch in the movie.

At the end of the day, having a good life means having money to most people.

But the poorer Canada becomes, the more we'll have to be born into wealth to succeed.

I feel true, true oppertunity is in the USA.

This one dude called up the radio station saying that his fiance had to go to Poland to get into medical school becuase there wasn't enough seats open despite her passing with an top grade average. Canada closed her oppertunity, not necessarily her. After all, she DID pass and meet requirements. She was just a victim of our countries typically poor policies, corruption, and missmanagement.

So I feel the induvidual is not always to blame.

[margrace]

Too bad, as I have said before ad infinitium, I would like to talk to you in 50 years. I wonder how great your life will have been.

I know you've lived the most unfortunate life with your constant sad stories, but some of us aren't as neurotic and tend to enjoy life and see the positives. Perhaps that's where the difference really rests, hey?

There are people that complain about every event and blame society, and those that accept responsibility for themselves and deal with it.

My dear Geoffry, that is what I am trying to convey to you. My life has been good, I have wonderful children, I have extremely good health for my age, I live in a beautiful setting in a home I love. I do not blame anyone for anything. I had the job I loved however I have always supported the old cliche's. They all say the same thing, "What goes around comes around"' " Do onto others as you would have them do unto you" and as the Bible says "Love your neighbour as yourself".

I am not complaining about my way of life, as you and others on here seem to assume" I am defending others that you would condem as lazy or unwilling to look after themselves. I am giving you examples of what can happen and over which you would have no control.

Spewing the hate as you do will come back to you. You especially seem to attack people of the Maritimes and Newfoundland, I wonder why. I work at our local food bank and I hear the stories of the awful things that can happen to people, over which they had no control.

My daughter had leukemia and was given a year to live, today she is working as hard as ever and is rated one of the best nurses here. I love it when people say "Laurie is your daughter!!! I just love her"

My cousin's daughter did not live. Her father was devastated. Why did this happen she was the same age as my daughter, life happens. As my son said when his oldest boy at the age of 21 died in a stupid car accident. when he phoned to tell me about it, "Shit happens MOM" When another cousins vibrant and handsome son died at the age of 21 last year in a diving accident his fathers comment was " Eric lived life to the full, he loved air beneath him"

He belonged to the local Ski club and loved jumping high.

You have no idea what life holds in store for you and one of the great things about this country of ours is what you people call it communistice support of others. Consider life Geoffry you hopefully have a long way to go.