An opinion. Not mine originally, but mine now.

[ScottSA]

From Denmark, where the Eurabian civil wars will start:

The place where my grandfather used to live, and where I sometimes played as a child, now lies within a Muslim area. Today it’s a very unsafe place with the problems I described above and much more, smaller things like gender separation, halal this and haram that and constant demands for special treatment for the mostly unemployed population of the area.

The only group of people behaving in this destructive way are Muslims. And it’s not just a few, as some might think; it’s a collective pattern that they repeat everywhere, wherever they become a local majority. The visible troublemakers might only be a small percentage, but the collective pattern always seems to be the same.

It’s Islam itself as a whole that creates these problems, and for most common people this is obvious. I get so tired of intellectuals who try to find ways to explain this simple fact away. And many have tried.

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There are lots of Muslims who are kind and peaceful as individuals, that’s true. But they still show the same collective patterns when enough of them get together. They start to see themselves as opposed to the non-Muslims around them.

To target Jihad and Sharia as the real reason for the problems is just one more clever way to try to excuse Islam. And while intellectuals play mind games, teenage girls get raped. And yes, it makes me hostile, as it should, but I am sorry for directing it at you.

The essence of the problem comes from the Muslim identification as being in opposition to other groups. If we somehow make all Muslims sign a treaty or a contract, saying that they reject Jihad and Sharia, and we let them keep the identification as Muslims, they will simply hide their belief in Jihad and Sharia from us and keep it to themselves until they feel ready to confront us. As long as they can identify themselves as Muslims, it will be used to control the behavior of people within their system, and at the same time tell us what we want to hear.

Therefore we must strike at this identification, by banning Muslim organization, symbolism and garments that are used to signal that people are Muslim. By doing this we can remove the iron grip the Muslim community has over its members, and then it be will possible to slowly start to make things more positive and peaceful for everyone. I am pretty sure that many of those we call moderates would be happy about this, secretly at first.

Or we can sit on our moral high horses and wait for the whole thing to blow, while we argue details about how many peaceful Muslims there are or what verses we think are the most evil. We can let our children and people who don’t have the resources to relocate be the foot soldiers in a war, a war they never asked for and that we refuse to even acknowledge, while we convince ourselves that this somehow makes us better then others.http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/06/...igh-horses.html

[betsy]

I think this is pretty much true. Muslim aggression towards the west is there. We can close our eyes and pretend it does not exists, and rant at those who try to point undeniable facts instead. But who are we kidding? When it blows up, it will be ugly for everyone...including and especially with muslim moderates.

Just take a look at England. Right now it is one of the most "tolerant" countries in the world. It resembles us.

So it is curious to see how the temperament of their public remains steadfastly tolerant as its problems with terrorism starts to escalate. How will they deal with it?

An English spokesman had said the people carry on as usual. That the people had faced the blitz during WW2. But can you compare the war in WW2 to this kind of war...when your enemies are within?

They had recently found and diffused two car bombs in the theatre districts - an entertainment section.

Is there a code of ethics among terrorists - although their aim is to cast fear and shock to the world - to stay away from schools and daycare centers, I wonder?

The public's clamor to pull out of war goes higher as the death toll of its soldiers climb up. They can't stomach death...even though we all know, it naturally comes with war.

I wonder what their clamor would be once the death toll of its own civilians in its own soil starts going up in numbers?

[Mad_Michael]

You you all work hard enough, I'm sure you can create the war you all desperately seem to want.

[Argus]

You you all work hard enough, I'm sure you can create the war you all desperately seem to want.

No doubt people said that in the run-up to WW2, as well.

In fact, we know they did. We know there were many people, many organizations which ridiculed the idea that the Nazis were a threat, who castigated any politician who demanded we prepare, that we do something to reign in Hitler, who were willingly blind to the danger so long as they could somehow convince themselves that by simply being nice, friendly, accepting, Hitler would realize they were no threat and never go to war.

Didn't work then. Won't work now. Muslim numbers in Europe continue to rise, and as they rise Muslim demands for accommodation grow. This is simply not something you can deny. The real problem is culture clash. Muslim s in the West never altered their middle-east cultures, never adopted those of their new lands, never adapted, never changed. Put 1 Saudi citizen on an island with nine Swedes and things are pretty much going to be as the Swedes want it. Put six Saudis together with four Swedes and things are going to be considerably different.

[betsy]

You you all work hard enough, I'm sure you can create the war you all desperately seem to want.

Right now we can all sit back and bask in our false sense of security. But while we sip our margaritas, let us watch what unfolds in England. We may learn a valuable thing or two from their mistake, and maybe we'll have the time and scramble to rectify the problem with this stupid multi-culturalism.

[B. Max]

To target Jihad and Sharia as the real reason for the problems is just one more clever way to try to excuse Islam. And while intellectuals play mind games, teenage girls get raped. And yes, it makes me hostile, as it should, but I am sorry for directing it at you.

It's called appeasement. In this case it is appeasement of an incompatible culture. Although be it late, I think most people are waking up to that reality. It's almost funny to see some of the PC responses of the Multi cults to something that seeks to destroy all other cultures around it.

[betsy]

Another possible terrorist attempt in Glasgow airport today. I don't know the details, but they've cancelled all flights and closed down the airport.

Blair just stepped down, and Brown just stepped in. Brown is a "softie" compared to Blair.

Are the terrorists testing how Brown will react??

What happens when Bush steps down?

[geoffrey]

Another possible terrorist attempt in Glasgow airport today.

That doesn't look like an attempt, they drove a car bomb into a building it seems from the BBC news update I just watched. Just lucky it didn't go as planned.

The police are saying the UK is under attack, and are begging everyone to exercise restraint in reacting against the Muslims.

Sounds like quite the trouble.

[betsy]

Another possible terrorist attempt in Glasgow airport today.

That doesn't look like an attempt, they drove a car bomb into a building it seems from the BBC news update I just watched. Just lucky it didn't go as planned.

The police are saying the UK is under attack, and are begging everyone to exercise restraint in reacting against the Muslims.

Sounds like quite the trouble.

Yes. I just saw the update too. The guy driving the car was really trying to bring the car as close to the terminal as possible. One witness said that the driver doused himself with gasoline.

So far it's pure luck that they all failed.

The UK is now under critical alert. They're expecting more attacks.

[jbg]

You you all work hard enough, I'm sure you can create the war you all desperately seem to want.

You have a point, actually.

The two New York Times stories listed below highlights the increasingly serious threat posed by sectarian and tribal strife in the Jewish community.

For those who remember their Biblical history, Jacob produced twelve sons, each of whom became the father of one of the twelve tribes of Israel. Reuven, Shimon, Levi, Yehuda (Judah), Issachar, Zevulun, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Joseph, and Benjamin. The southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin constitute the historical forbears of most of the people claiming sole ownership of the lands ruled by the State of Israel today, in derogation of the fights of Reuven, Shimon, Levi, Issachar, Zevulun, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, and Joseph (the "Exploited Tribes"). The arrogant refusal of Israeli Prime Minister Olmert, aided and abetted by none other than George Bush, has created despair among the Exploited Tribes.

As the stories below indicate, the Exploited Tribes will not sit silently and will avenge Bush's and Olmert's failure to recognize a right of return and provide unlimited international aid. The London Federation of Temple Youth ("LFTY" or more popularly "lifty") has carried the struggle of the Exploited Tribes to the streets of London.

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June 30, 2007

London Finds Linked Bombs, a Qaeda Tactic (link)

By ALAN COWELL

LONDON, June 29 — London was gripped by a terrorist threat on Friday when the police found two Mercedes sedans packed with gasoline, nails and gas canisters that had been parked near Piccadilly Circus in the bustling West End entertainment district.

The police defused both bombs, but had they exploded “there could have been significant injury or loss of life,” Peter Clarke, Britain’s senior counterterrorism police official, told reporters.

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The Tiger Tiger nightclub was packed with hundreds of people at the time the first bomb was discovered. One woman at the club, Rajeshree Patel, told the BBC that the Mercedes had all its doors open and its headlights on. “I think there would have been a lot of fatalities” if the car had exploded, she said. “There were approximately 500 people inside Tiger Tiger at the time.”

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In another plot, terrorists were said to have planned to attack the Ministry of Sound, one of London’s biggest nightclubs, using a fertilizer bomb.

Haymarket is in an area of bars, shops and theaters that draws tens of thousands of visitors and revelers. Two theaters on the Haymarket canceled Friday night performances.

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Reporting was contributed by Pamela Kent, Beth Gardiner and Raymond Bonner from London, and David Johnston and Mark Mazzetti from Washington.

July 1, 2007

4 Held in Scottish Attack as British See Broader Plot (link)

By ALAN COWELL and RAYMOND BONNER

LONDON, Sunday, July 1 — British officials raised the country’s terrorism threat alert to its highest level on Saturday after two men slammed an S.U.V. into entrance doors at Glasgow Airport and turned the vehicle into a potentially lethal fireball.

Less than 38 hours earlier the police uncovered two cars in London rigged to explode with gasoline, gas canisters and nails.

Early Sunday, after a day of fast-moving developments, the London police announced that two people had been arrested in Cheshire, in northwest England, “in connection with the events in London and Scotland.”

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Sajjan M. Gohel, a security expert, said the police were pursuing a theory that the two car bombs had been designed to explode one after the other — the first to bring people into the street and the second to cause great loss of life. The fact that Thursday night at Tiger Tiger was ladies’ night, he said, recalled a conspiracy in 2004 in which British-born bombers said they wanted to attack women at a nightclub, whom they viewed as promiscuous, in conversations monitored by British intelligence.

Reporting was contributed by Dexter Filkins from Cambridge, Mass.; William K. Rashbaum and Kareem Fahim from New York; and Eric Lipton from Washington.

[jbg]

The police are saying the UK is under attack, and are begging everyone to exercise restraint in reacting against the Muslims.

Sounds like a non-sequiter.

[geoffrey]

The police are saying the UK is under attack, and are begging everyone to exercise restraint in reacting against the Muslims.

Sounds like a non-sequiter.

I would hope it is... unfortunately the reality may not be quite so kind.

[scribblet]

No one is desperately trying to create a war, we didn't drive a flaming truck into an airport. Brown has said they won't give in to terrorism, hopefully they will continue to do so and thwart any more attempts.

These terrorists are mad, they don't care who they kill, but oh yeah, its all our fault or Israel's of course.

[Liam]

I was in London last week. I have read a bit about the non-integration of Muslims in Europe and all I can say is that I have never seen more head-to-toe burqas than in London last week. I lived in NYC for a while (which is just as international a city as is London), and such things are just never seen.

[ScottSA]

I was in London last week. I have read a bit about the non-integration of Muslims in Europe and all I can say is that I have never seen more head-to-toe burqas than in London last week. I lived in NYC for a while (which is just as international a city as is London), and such things are just never seen.

There are a lot of folks who have no idea the extent of the problem growing in Europe. I'm not as fearful for Britain...they have always taken care of themselves pretty well once they become aware of the threat, but some sections of Europe are plunging headlong into this nightmare with their eyes closed and their noses held. Most notably Belgium and the north western countries. France is finally waking up, but it's becoming a powder keg, and the ironic thing is that it all could have been prevented.

[Moxie]

I was in London last week. I have read a bit about the non-integration of Muslims in Europe and all I can say is that I have never seen more head-to-toe burqas than in London last week. I lived in NYC for a while (which is just as international a city as is London), and such things are just never seen.

There are a lot of folks who have no idea the extent of the problem growing in Europe. I'm not as fearful for Britain...they have always taken care of themselves pretty well once they become aware of the threat, but some sections of Europe are plunging headlong into this nightmare with their eyes closed and their noses held. Most notably Belgium and the north western countries. France is finally waking up, but it's becoming a powder keg, and the ironic thing is that it all could have been prevented.

Most posters never take the time to study this issue, they are to busy appeasing a Religion they've taken no time to get to know. Sweden has admited that it will be an Islamic state in the future but the spokes-person stated "We've been good and kind to them, so we are confident they will be good to us". One word Lebanon, this religion brokers no discussion or comprimise. Only a fool would believe they can live in an Islamic state and be treated as an equal. Perhaps the Swedes should read what Allah had to say about us infidels and what Jizya is. Dhimmitude anyone? Again this nightmare called Mulitculture rears it's ugly head, the socialist dogma is distroying Europes soon to be Eurabia's culture.

[jbg]

I was in London last week. I have read a bit about the non-integration of Muslims in Europe and all I can say is that I have never seen more head-to-toe burqas than in London last week. I lived in NYC for a while (which is just as international a city as is London), and such things are just never seen.

Thank you Liam for making my point. While we may not be perfect at it, we do a pretty good job of assimilating our minorities and immigrants, and drawing from them their best attributes rather than their worst attributes.

[jbg]

....but some sections of Europe are plunging headlong into this nightmare with their eyes closed and their noses held. Most notably Belgium and the north western countries. France is finally waking up, but it's becoming a powder keg, and the ironic thing is that it all could have been prevented.

My prediction is that the core of Europe will move from excessive toleration a la Wiemar to Holocaust mode. It won't be pretty.

[betsy]

....but some sections of Europe are plunging headlong into this nightmare with their eyes closed and their noses held. Most notably Belgium and the north western countries. France is finally waking up, but it's becoming a powder keg, and the ironic thing is that it all could have been prevented.

My prediction is that the core of Europe will move from excessive toleration a la Wiemar to Holocaust mode. It won't be pretty.

That's what I think too. The pendulum will shift the other way. From one extreme to the other.

And yes, it will be ugly.

[jbg]

My prediction is that the core of Europe will move from excessive toleration a la Wiemar to Holocaust mode. It won't be pretty.

That's what I think too. The pendulum will shift the other way. From one extreme to the other. And yes, it will be ugly.

Europe has never been able to find a middle ground on much of anything. The new countries of the US, Canada and Australia, and to a lesser extent the UK have.

The beheading of Charles and the Glorious Revolution that followed was a walk in the park compared to the French Revolution.

[ScottSA]

My prediction is that the core of Europe will move from excessive toleration a la Wiemar to Holocaust mode. It won't be pretty.

That's what I think too. The pendulum will shift the other way. From one extreme to the other. And yes, it will be ugly.

Europe has never been able to find a middle ground on much of anything. The new countries of the US, Canada and Australia, and to a lesser extent the UK have.

The beheading of Charles and the Glorious Revolutio nthat followed was a walk in the park compared to the French Revolution.

I wouldn't be so smug about the New World yet. Islam is merely the first stirrings of a much greater problem that we're walking into with our eyes wide shut too.

[WestViking]

I wouldn't be so smug about the New World yet. Islam is merely the first stirrings of a much greater problem that we're walking into with our eyes wide shut too.

New world or old, multi-culturalists have to go. Now.

Turning our nations into cultural ghettos is a recipe for conducting all the world’s ethnic and religious wars in miniature on our home ground. We don't need the casualties or the victims of murderous vendettas.

[scribblet]

I've read quite a bit about what is happening in Europe and Australia, much of it is not reported in the MSM.

I don't think we will see as large any revolution, none of the gov'ts have the guts to take a firmer stand about integration. They are too busy giving in.

[jbg]

I've read quite a bit about what is happening in Europe and Australia, much of it is not reported in the MSM.

I don't think we will see as large any revolution, none of the gov'ts have the guts to take a firmer stand about integration. They are too busy giving in.

Neither Europe nor Australia historically has allowed much less encouraged assimilation and integration. Europe has never made any pretenses of encouraging newcomers to join in. That's why so many "outsider" groups such as the Hugenots found it necessary to flee to the US. The members of outsider groups such as Jews who didn't bother fleeing learned their lesson in spades. To Europeans, Muslims are guest workers, nothing more. They've turned into a lot more, or course. THey're "giving in" because they have no other plan for them.

Australia, on the other hand, and if we believe recent pronouncements, is changing its tune. For example, the PM has insisted that people learn to speak the language if they want to remain, and to follow their laws.

[ScottSA]

I've read quite a bit about what is happening in Europe and Australia, much of it is not reported in the MSM.

This is becoming an increasing problem. Whole social movements are going unreported or glossed over by the MSM.

Rightleaning cultural groups and political parties, and I don't mean cultural groups of the type who sip tea and make approving noises at shitty art and turgid prose, are gaining in popularity from France to Sweden, in response to whole geographic areas being taken over by the Musselmen, who quite openly and proudly prey on the inhabitants. Welfare rolls have swelled beyond any hope of the welfare state continuing, rapes are rampant, and crimes are skyrocketing. The only country fighting back even a bit is Denmark...every other country seems under the thrall of multicult, and everyone is dearly afraid of raising their voice lest they be scorned, or arrested, for "racism." Meanwhile, the pro-eurounion pro-multicult governments...the ones on their way out one way or another...are running around in a sort of neverneverland of meetings and feelgood fetes reminiscent of the last days of Rome or the Berlin bunker.

And through all this, the MSM either says nothing or minimizes it to the point of insignificance. What we'll see in the days to come, as the Musselmen get noisier and more dangerous and European governments give way to increasingly hardline governments, is the MSM expressing it's befuddlement. But, if the past is anything to go by, the MSM will at least at first try to atomize the phenomenon and call each overthrow a "protest vote," as it did recently in the French election.