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[Rue]

Terrorists deliberately seek to incite racism and polarization and insatability by making it impossible to tell the difference between an innocent person from a terrorist.

Each time we see a terrorist act, we see reaction to it, and part of that reaction is to show anger an resentment by some of us to those we think are synpathetic to or think like terrorists.

That is exactly what terrorists want-for you to go around hating Muslims, visible minority Muslims, etc.

So you have a choice, take cheap shots at visible minority women or try act like decent human beings and if you are a man, have the decency to stop being a coward and taking pot shots at visible minority women because they dress differently.

Now you want intelligent dialogue instead of yuck yuck darkie women humour here it is - the tragedy of terror, is that it makes it very difficult to screen for terrorists.

It also makes it even more important, we stay cool when being screened and understand it is to look for terrorists. If you are a minority, you don't need me to tell you that for the rest of your life the colour of your skin or the way you dress makes you specifically targetted.

All I can say is this - some of us do not think you are terrorists, do not ridicule you, and hope y ou understand we appreciate your cooperation so that if there is a terrorist using your appearance to hide themselves your cooperation can help catch them.

As for the bafoons in Canada who think its funny to ridicule your dress or appearance, trust me, the first to ridicule do so because they feel inadequate and feel the need to compensate.

Nuff said.

[Rue]

The bigotry in this thread is disgusting. I couldn't imagine the reaction to people from another culture talking about our culture in this way,

Guess you don't watch the news much, eh? This is surely the most unknowledgeable claim so far on these boards.

Scott back down. Two wrongs do not make it right and its cowardly for any of us men to take shots at visible minority women because of their appearance. Can we please walk away from this one? I am asking you because I respect your political opinions and not because I am sort sort of righteous twit. I just think it went too far and I don't think being rude to women for any reason is called for.

[Rue]

The bigotry in this thread is disgusting. I couldn't imagine the reaction to people from another culture talking about our culture in this way, nor could I imagine it being at all acceptable to talk about another identifiable group (say black canadians, asian canadians, native canadians, jewish canadians, etc...) in the way that people are talking about these two women here.

I debate you hard on Israel but you know I am standing right next to you on this.

[jbg]

While I understand that the US has every right to determine who they will admit to their country, I find this a bit disturbing. And not knowing all the circumstances.. well. Will the Gov't launch a formal complaint and should they?

Something doesn't ring true here. How were these people behaving before they were stopped? Were they acting in serious manner? Did they go out of their wave to p*ss off the official? Were they dressed appropriately?

[jbg]

If 19 Muslims hijack four big planes and succeed in flying three of them into big buildings in North America, are you surprised if North Americans are suspicious of Muslims afterwards?

Or if a group of Muslim doctors and hospital workers attempted to attack London's entertainment district and Britain's aviation?

[mikedavid00]

I couldn't imagine the reaction to people from another culture talking about our culture in this way

Lol!!!

You haven't met many immigrants or second gen's from stonage cultures have you?

Lol.. that statement is the funniest thing I read all week.. no.. month.

[mikedavid00]

Scott back down. Two wrongs do not make it right and its cowardly for any of us men to take shots at visible minority women because of their appearance. Can we please walk away from this one? I am asking you because I respect your political opinions and not because I am sort sort of righteous twit. I just think it went too far and I don't think being rude to women for any reason is called for.

While I respect your statements, it's YOUR very statement that is getting Canada in the trouble it's in. I refuse to accept xenephobic peoople who have lied to get into Canada and do not accept us. I'm not playing fair anymore and we need to seriously reform our immigration policy NOW and work at getting undesireables out of Canada before we are attacked.

They are not needed here, they are not needed here.

They are not needed here. The key word being 'needed'.

[mikedavid00]

If 19 Muslims hijack four big planes and succeed in flying three of them into big buildings in North America, are you surprised if North Americans are suspicious of Muslims afterwards?

Or if a group of Muslim doctors and hospital workers attempted to attack London's entertainment district and Britain's aviation?

Exactly. The 'west' (i hate that term..) has to start making serious, unfair descisions on who they are going to let into the country. I don't want background checks anymore, I want a cut and dry list of cultures and religions that get let into Canada/US/UK or not. Things are getting out of hand and this problem is not solveable as long as these people are coming here. Regardless if they are Dr's or refugees.

[ScottSA]

The bigotry in this thread is disgusting. I couldn't imagine the reaction to people from another culture talking about our culture in this way,

Guess you don't watch the news much, eh? This is surely the most unknowledgeable claim so far on these boards.

Scott back down. Two wrongs do not make it right and its cowardly for any of us men to take shots at visible minority women because of their appearance. Can we please walk away from this one? I am asking you because I respect your political opinions and not because I am sort sort of righteous twit. I just think it went too far and I don't think being rude to women for any reason is called for.

Well Rue, when women stop wearing blankets with windows in the name of 6th century mass murdering psychopaths, I'll stop pointing out that they're wearing blankets with windows. I can call it a summer frock, or leotards, or even six inch stilletos, if it makes you feel better, but it's still a blanket with a window. Incidently, have you seen the new spring lineup of Islamic fashions? Link

Lighten up. I grew up amongst these folks.

[ScottSA]

Well Rue, when women stop wearing blankets with windows in the name of 6th century mass murdering psychopaths, I'll stop pointing out that they're wearing blankets with windows. I can call it a summer frock, or leotards, or even six inch stilletos, if it makes you feel better, but it's still a blanket with a window. Incidently, have you seen the new spring lineup of Islamic fashions? Link

Lighten up. I grew up amongst these folks.

Let me expand on this a bit. I don't mock Islamic dress only because it is ridiculous, but also to break through the PC screen that surrounds everything social. If we are going to stop Islam, we have to get past this notion that "discrimination" is somehow evil unto itself, and that to be "judgmental" is bad. These catchphrase morays are symptoms of the multicultural ethos, and it is that ethos that keeps western society from dealing with the Islamic scourge the way it needs to be dealt with. "Mutual respect" leads to compromise. I don't respect nor want to compromise with 6th century savages. I believe the western way of life is far superior to Islamic authoritarianism, and I'm not willing to compromise it. If that leads to violence, so be it. Sometimes violence is better than compromise.

[White Doors]

Good post Scott.

I agree.

Bikini's aren't even allowed in Muslim nations.

And people here are worried about harmless jokes about the burka?

[jbg]

Good post Scott.

I agree.

Bikini's aren't even allowed in Muslim nations.

And people here are worried about harmless jokes about the burka?

Because it offends them and makes them unhappy. Boo-hoo.

[jbg]

Good post Scott.

I agree.

Bikini's aren't even allowed in Muslim nations.

And people here are worried about harmless jokes about the burka?

Because it offends them and makes them unhappy. Boo-hoo.

I'm going to expand on that previous post a bit, in response to a thoughtful private message, and quoted it to give context.

Most people know well that I am not a bigot. The involvement of doctors, who swear to "do no harm" has me thoroughly upset, since it eliminates any pattern of who we look at (other than Islam) in terms of likelihood to be involved in terror.

Truth is it shook me to the core, since I am a licensed professional, with card access to secure areas that goes with the license, that enables me to bypass normal security procedures. This makes nonensense of professional bypasses, and threatens to drastically increase the inconvenience the publc is already experiencing.

I maybe shouldn't mock burquas. However, the Muslim countries show no tolerance for Western religious practices and customs. Sometimes their lack of tolerance is even deadly. An inquiring mind wonders why the West cannot discourage people wearing cloting, such as burquas, which is exotic to Westerners and sets apart the immigrants, and at the same time cannot criticize Muslims lands' lack of openness. It is a most unfair equation.

[bush_cheney2004]

Because it offends them and makes them unhappy. Boo-hoo.

Yep..it upsets them. Back in 2001, a US Navy pilot e-mailed me with plans to drop porn and sex toys instead of bombs on the Taliban. LOL!

[ScottSA]

Truth is it shook me to the core, since I am a licensed professional, with card access to secure areas that goes with the license, that enables me to bypass normal security procedures. This makes nonensense of professional bypasses, and threatens to drastically increase the inconvenience the publc is already experiencing.

We will all continue to be shaken to the core. Sooner or later the core shakings will begin to jar us loose from the trite truisms we all grew up with over the last generation. What if tolerance isn't all it's cracked up to me? What if "fairness" is sometimes dangerous? What if not everyone really wants peace? What if peace is not always the best thing we ought to hope for? What if peace is sometimes just a euphemism for slavery? What if all societies are not created equal? What if we have no choice but to be unfair, and to discriminate, and to fight? What if the safety of our families and our society depends on it?

In North America we'll get to watch Eurabia explode into civil war, eventually, so we'll have a second chance, even after core shakings we can't yet imagine, but we won't get a third chance.

[jbg]

In North America we'll get to watch Eurabia explode into civil war, eventually, so we'll have a second chance, even after core shakings we can't yet imagine, but we won't get a third chance.

We always wind up doing the right thing, even if a bit late. Witness the US's entries into WW I and WW II. Late, but effective. The Spanish-American War isn't a bad analog either.

[M.Dancer]

Late, but effective. The Spanish-American War isn't a bad analog either.

Had they waited any longer, the Spanish American was would have been over.....

[mikedavid00]

"Mutual respect" leads to compromise. I don't respect nor want to compromise with 6th century savages. I believe the western way of life is far superior to Islamic authoritarianism, and I'm not willing to compromise it. If that leads to violence, so be it. Sometimes violence is better than compromise.

Very well said.