Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states

[kuzadd]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070618/ts_nm/...l2bS9ZfRVDMWM0F

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -

Iraq has emerged as the world's second most unstable country, behind Sudan, more than four years after

President George W. Bush ordered the U.S. invasion to topple

Saddam Hussein, according to a survey released on Monday.

The 2007 Failed States Index, produced by Foreign Policy magazine and the Fund for Peace, said Iraq suffered a third straight year of deterioration in 2006 with diminished results across a range of social, economic, political and military indicators. Iraq ranked fourth last year.

Afghanistan, another war-torn country where U.S. and

NATO forces are battling a Taliban insurgency nearly six years after a U.S.-led invasion, was in eighth place.

"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that accompanied the figures said.

so how is it, that any credible claim can be made of "freeing" these countries.

How is it that any credible claim can be made that the unnecessary, unwarranted invasions made the lives of these people better?

Despite all the money that has gone in to construct pipelines, and construct the oil infrastructure, where has the benefit been to the populace?

We know big oil has benefitted greatly, and western corporations have also, but what of the people who live there?

Worse off then ever.

Who would have thought any differently, to be realistic?

Mission Accomplished!

[ScottSA]

What hogwash. Oil?

Let's take a reality chech here. The objects of those wars were to remove the taliban and saddam respectively. That has been done. We didn't go there to make life sweetness and roses for the inhabitants, and it is a measure of our kindness that we are even bothering to try.

[runningdog]

What hogwash. Oil?

Let's take a reality chech here. The objects of those wars were to remove the taliban and saddam respectively. That has been done. We didn't go there to make life sweetness and roses for the inhabitants, and it is a measure of our kindness that we are even bothering to try.

LOL. more "common sense/kill em' all if they are from over yonder" reasoning from scotty. Niiiiccceee.

[kuzadd]

What hogwash. Oil?

Let's take a reality chech here. The objects of those wars were to remove the taliban and saddam respectively. That has been done. We didn't go there to make life sweetness and roses for the inhabitants, and it is a measure of our kindness that we are even bothering to try.

actually, you went there for the oil.

The propoganda was to remove the regimes for the good of the people, that hasn't happened.

But then it wasn't supposed to.

"A measure of kindness" , how gracious.

[ScottSA]

What hogwash. Oil?

Let's take a reality chech here. The objects of those wars were to remove the taliban and saddam respectively. That has been done. We didn't go there to make life sweetness and roses for the inhabitants, and it is a measure of our kindness that we are even bothering to try.

actually, you went there for the oil.

The propoganda was to remove the regimes for the good of the people, that hasn't happened.

But then it wasn't supposed to.

"A measure of kindness" , how gracious.

Yes, our soldiers can hardly fight, what with the forests of oil rigs in Afghanistan. Can't you come up with a better bumper sticker "root cause" than the tired old oil pipeline that was already in the works long before the evil Bushman decided to spend billions more than necessary to build it? That thesis doesn't even make sense, much less hold true. And why in God's name would Bush Invade Iraq to steal the oil, and then make sure all the profits went to Iraq?

[M.Dancer]

Profts?

[JerrySeinfeld]

Why should we be surprised that two countries in which there is a WAR going on be ranked as a bad place to be?

Your just mad because the sit-com trained world has Attention Deficit Disorder and any problem they see on TV is usually solved in 22 minutes - or an hour at the most - so a four year battle of wills is just too much for the nervous nellies ni the spoiled west to handle.

Contrast our attitude to those of the Taliban and Radical Islam, who can't wait to die for their cause, and will continuously support their cause for generations.

[jazzer]

We didn't go there to make life sweetness and roses for the inhabitants, and it is a measure of our kindness that we are even bothering to try.

Care to tally the latest civilian death rate due to Bush's little incursion? Willing to wager that the average Iraqi won't say they were better off under Saddam?

[JerrySeinfeld]

We didn't go there to make life sweetness and roses for the inhabitants, and it is a measure of our kindness that we are even bothering to try.

Care to tally the latest civilian death rate due to Bush's little incursion? Willing to wager that the average Iraqi won't say they were better off under Saddam?

I don't buy that line of thinking.

It's been demonstrated time and time again that the only thing sitting around pretending there is peace does...is simply pretend that there is peace.

But doing nothing but negotiate and gloss over serious problems is more dangerous than just avoid problems. It creates bigger ones.

Look at last summer's war between Israel and Hezbollah. Everyone calls for a ceasefire, Israel pulls out, Hezbollah re-arms with improved weaponry and does it again. Same goes for Iran and the same wuold have gone for Iraq.

The illusion of peace in the mid-east has proven to be the most dangerous thing of all - and has only prolonged conflict.

At least with Bush - we shattered that illusion. Things need to fundamentally be changed in that part of the world - the only part that has never been colonized by civilized nations.

Can we do it with force? Maybe. Maybe not. But the old system of doing nothing wasn't working.

Do we need to partition Iraq like Korea? Maybe.

Point is: the illusion of peace was dangerous. The decision to shatter that illusion has created an honesty and critical debate which goes beyond the bullshit of administrations gone bye - as they each got their chance at a mid-east-peace photo op to be followed by another round of suicide attacks by the palestinians or bombings by Hezbollah.

Way to go GW Bush. Finally someon had some balls.

[jdobbin]

At least with Bush - we shattered that illusion. Things need to fundamentally be changed in that part of the world - the only part that has never been colonized by civilized nations.

Can we do it with force? Maybe. Maybe not. But the old system of doing nothing wasn't working.

Do we need to partition Iraq like Korea? Maybe.

Point is: the illusion of peace was dangerous. The decision to shatter that illusion has created an honesty and critical debate which goes beyond the bullshit of administrations gone bye - as they each got their chance at a mid-east-peace photo op to be followed by another round of suicide attacks by the palestinians or bombings by Hezbollah.

Way to go GW Bush. Finally someon had some balls.

Bush is now hamstrung in Iraq. He has pushed the forces to the limit and it still isn't taming Iraq. They could be there for decades to come if his policy continues to followed.

Partition leads to war. Bush himself has said so.

[JerrySeinfeld]

At least with Bush - we shattered that illusion. Things need to fundamentally be changed in that part of the world - the only part that has never been colonized by civilized nations.

Can we do it with force? Maybe. Maybe not. But the old system of doing nothing wasn't working.

Do we need to partition Iraq like Korea? Maybe.

Point is: the illusion of peace was dangerous. The decision to shatter that illusion has created an honesty and critical debate which goes beyond the bullshit of administrations gone bye - as they each got their chance at a mid-east-peace photo op to be followed by another round of suicide attacks by the palestinians or bombings by Hezbollah.

Way to go GW Bush. Finally someon had some balls.

Bush is now hamstrung in Iraq. He has pushed the forces to the limit and it still isn't taming Iraq. They could be there for decades to come if his policy continues to followed.

Partition leads to war. Bush himself has said so.

Partition could work - but I agree we should be there for decades if thats what it takes.

[jdobbin]

Partition could work - but I agree we should be there for decades if thats what it takes.

I happen to agree with Bush that partition leads to war.

As far as decades go, it isn't going to happen. Do you really want the Republicans out of office in Washington for that long? Even Bloomberg has signed up as an independent today so he can run free of Republican connections.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Partition could work - but I agree we should be there for decades if thats what it takes.

I happen to agree with Bush that partition leads to war.

As far as decades go, it isn't going to happen. Do you really want the Republicans out of office in Washington for that long? Even Bloomberg has signed up as an independent today so he can run free of Republican connections.

I know. It's a sad day when politics trumps whats right.

Many republicans were lining up behind "detente" back in the day too, but reagan stuck with his principals and saved the world bless his heart.

[Guest coot]

It's been demonstrated time and time again that the only thing sitting around pretending there is peace does...is simply pretend that there is peace.

So why are you sitting around? Why aren't you fighting?

But doing nothing but negotiate and gloss over serious problems is more dangerous than just avoid problems. It creates bigger ones.

Nip those problems in the bud and get to work. Enlist!

But the old system of doing nothing wasn't working.

Then why are you doing nothing?

Way to go GW Bush. Finally someon had some balls.

As opposed to, oh, say, you, who only has sufficient ball to post anonymously on the Internet.

http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/ap/c/c029484k.jpg

[ScottSA]

It's been demonstrated time and time again that the only thing sitting around pretending there is peace does...is simply pretend that there is peace.

So why are you sitting around? Why aren't you fighting?

But doing nothing but negotiate and gloss over serious problems is more dangerous than just avoid problems. It creates bigger ones.

Nip those problems in the bud and get to work. Enlist!

But the old system of doing nothing wasn't working.

Then why are you doing nothing?

Way to go GW Bush. Finally someon had some balls.

As opposed to, oh, say, you, who only has sufficient ball to post anonymously on the Internet.

http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/ap/c/c029484k.jpg

Is there a point to this post?

[GostHacked]

ScottSA

That thesis doesn't even make sense, much less hold true. And why in God's name would Bush Invade Iraq to steal the oil, and then make sure all the profits went to Iraq?

What profits? And then show me how those profits are benefitting the people of Iraq. I bet you will find the same corruption happening now as the oil for food programme was.

Since Bush and his croonies are saying 'we are making progress', or 'great progress has been made' so often, you start to beleive there actually IS progress.... untill you get reports like this. I guess it is how you define progress.

[AndrewL]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070618/ts_nm/...l2bS9ZfRVDMWM0F

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -

Iraq has emerged as the world's second most unstable country, behind Sudan, more than four years after

President George W. Bush ordered the U.S. invasion to topple

Saddam Hussein, according to a survey released on Monday.

The 2007 Failed States Index, produced by Foreign Policy magazine and the Fund for Peace, said Iraq suffered a third straight year of deterioration in 2006 with diminished results across a range of social, economic, political and military indicators. Iraq ranked fourth last year.

Afghanistan, another war-torn country where U.S. and

NATO forces are battling a Taliban insurgency nearly six years after a U.S.-led invasion, was in eighth place.

"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that accompanied the figures said.

so how is it, that any credible claim can be made of "freeing" these countries.

How is it that any credible claim can be made that the unnecessary, unwarranted invasions made the lives of these people better?

Despite all the money that has gone in to construct pipelines, and construct the oil infrastructure, where has the benefit been to the populace?

We know big oil has benefitted greatly, and western corporations have also, but what of the people who live there?

Worse off then ever.

Who would have thought any differently, to be realistic?

Mission Accomplished!

Iraq is a non-existent state.

Andrew

[ScottSA]

I bet you will find the same corruption happening now as the oil for food programme was.

Source? I bet I'll find lollypops and gerbils.