Next leader of the Liberals, and when?

[Mad_Michael]

I'm a big fan of McKenna. Just wondering if opting out in the 2006 leadership wounds him mortally for a future race.

Please explain how McKenna's Carlyle connections would not be noticed by the activists of the Liberal Party? Or how that Carlyle connection could or should be overlooked?

As I've said repeatedly, this Carlyle connection categorically ends any federal political career for McKenna. I'm quite sure that McKenna was aware of this when he signed up for a paycheck from Carlyle. Carlyle is filled with 'former politicans', not future ones.

[Michael Bluth]

Please explain how McKenna's Carlyle connections would not be noticed by the activists of the Liberal Party? Or how that Carlyle connection could or should be overlooked?

As I've said repeatedly, this Carlyle connection categorically ends any federal political career for McKenna. I'm quite sure that McKenna was aware of this when he signed up for a paycheck from Carlyle. Carlyle is filled with 'former politicans', not future ones.

The Carlyle group is an investment firm.

McKenna will come in as the choice of the business wing of the party.

No problems.

But maybe if you'd mentioned the name of the firm a sixth time in your post people might have changed their view.

[Mad_Michael]

The Carlyle group is an investment firm.

McKenna will come in as the choice of the business wing of the party.

No problems.

Right. And the Liberal Party has a strong pro-US military tradition too.

Hey, if you want to dream about McKenna as Liberal Leader, that's fine. I'm not saying he isn't a decent fellow - I'm saying that McKenna will not run and that's categorical. No politician ever considering future political ambitions in Canada would sign up for a paycheque from Carlyle - simple as that.

[Michael Bluth]

Hey, if you want to dream about McKenna as Liberal Leader, that's fine. I'm not saying he isn't a decent fellow - I'm saying that McKenna will not run and that's categorical. No politician ever considering future political ambitions in Canada would sign up for a paycheque from Carlyle - simple as that.

That's a little simplistic isn't it? The world is black and white. One thing can end a candidates chances. Even something this obscure...

You aren't really responding to my post anyways.

Here's my post.

I'm a big fan of McKenna. Just wondering if opting out in the 2006 leadership wounds him mortally for a future race.

No dreams expressed there.

But at least you proved your point. (At least to yourself. )

[jbg]

Hopefully, Dion stays leader for a long time. He should get at least three tries at leading the LPOC through elections, until the LPOC goes the way of the PCPC in 1993.

[sharkman]

I believe my political leanings are to the right of yours, but I hope we are so lucky with Dion!

[jdobbin]

Hopefully, Dion stays leader for a long time. He should get at least three tries at leading the LPOC through elections, until the LPOC goes the way of the PCPC in 1993.

The Liberals will defeat the Tories and Harper will take a job in the U.S.

[Topaz]

Hopefully not Bob Rae; didn't he make quite the mess out of Ontario?

I maybe would vote Lib if Tobin were leader. Or not.

When Rae was in office in Ontario, North America was going through a recession, and so what he did is what he thought was right. He created "RAE DAYS" to keep the Ont. government workers, at least, working partime, instead of laying them off. I think under the circumstances he was facing,he did a good job. After Harris took over, those government workers wished they had Rae back. Harris was one SOB towards the wokers and the rest on Ontario. The present day Finance Minister in Ottawa, left Ontario with a 5.6 Bil debt, so it doesn't surprise Ontarians whars going on in Ottawa.

[geoffrey]

Right. And the Liberal Party has a strong pro-US military tradition too.

The right wing of the party (ie., the one you need to win a majority) has a history of being pro-military and interventionist overseas.

Hey, if you want to dream about McKenna as Liberal Leader, that's fine. I'm not saying he isn't a decent fellow - I'm saying that McKenna will not run and that's categorical. No politician ever considering future political ambitions in Canada would sign up for a paycheque from Carlyle - simple as that.

If a paycheque from Carlyle is a problem, but one from Power Corp is not, I think we need to start questioning the rationality of these people.

The Liberals are far from clean on issues of US imperialism. Many have been quite close to the defense contractors involved. And seperate from that, we do have to recognize the left wing of the parties connections to the Oil for Food scandal (robbing starving Iraqis of food for cash) and all that sort of stuff.

McKenna is at least clean of that.

He's also made it quite clear that the American way is less than desirable in many speeches.

I don't think his seat on Carlyle is a major issue. No one cares. If it weren't for Michael Moores fictional movies on the subject, no one would even have heard of Carlyle.

By the way, that was one of Moore's biggest fibs. Carlyle has some defense holdings, but not any more than your TD Canada Trust mutual likely would.

Here is a list of their current investments: http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/index.html

Seems to me they are highly into education and business intelligence software technology with a touch of real estate and alternative energy.

[sharkman]

Hopefully, Dion stays leader for a long time. He should get at least three tries at leading the LPOC through elections, until the LPOC goes the way of the PCPC in 1993.

The Liberals will defeat the Tories and Harper will take a job in the U.S.

Uh, how did your predictions go for our last federal election? Didn't you predict a Liberal win? I only bring it up because every time I talk about upcoming American elections, you talk about how wildly wrong I was with the mid-terms. And you exaggerate my predictions to make it seem so.

With your track record, I won't be holding my breath.

[jdobbin]

Uh, how did your predictions go for our last federal election? Didn't you predict a Liberal win? I only bring it up because every time I talk about upcoming American elections, you talk about how wildly wrong I was with the mid-terms. And you exaggerate my predictions to make it seem so.

With your track record, I won't be holding my breath.

I wasn't on this board during the last election so I wouldn't think you have any knowledge of my last election predictions at all.

The only election I have given my thoughts on was the Manitoba election. My prediction was for an NDP majority and no change in the seat count. I was one seat off.

Feel free to check any of that.

As far as your predictions go, you did assert that the Republicans would win and I didn't have to exaggerate anything you said. It is all in the forum record. You are free to check back if you like.

[Michael Bluth]

I wasn't on this board during the last election so I wouldn't think you have any knowledge of my last election predictions at all.

sharkman, I'm guessing whatever dobbin's predictions for the 2006 election were wrong.

Why else totally avoid the question? It's not like he had to be on this board to make a prediction.

Is it?

[jdobbin]

Ah yes, there it is. Stalker boy chimes right in afterwards.

Can't find anything to refute what I said?

I made no predictions on the last election because I was taking a course and couldn't follow the election or participate in it at all.

[Fortunata]

Hopefully not Bob Rae; didn't he make quite the mess out of Ontario?

I maybe would vote Lib if Tobin were leader. Or not.

When Rae was in office in Ontario, North America was going through a recession, and so what he did is what he thought was right. He created "RAE DAYS" to keep the Ont. government workers, at least, working partime, instead of laying them off. I think under the circumstances he was facing,he did a good job. After Harris took over, those government workers wished they had Rae back. Harris was one SOB towards the wokers and the rest on Ontario. The present day Finance Minister in Ottawa, left Ontario with a 5.6 Bil debt, so it doesn't surprise Ontarians whars going on in Ottawa.

I will keep an open mind about Rae then. I didn't pay attention when he was premier, just remembered there was an awful lot of talk about it during the leadership race.

[Michael Bluth]

Ah yes, there it is. Stalker boy chimes right in afterwards.

Can't find anything to refute what I said?

Respond to my post false accuser boy.

[Who's Doing What?]

Hopefully, Dion stays leader for a long time. He should get at least three tries at leading the LPOC through elections, until the LPOC goes the way of the PCPC in 1993.

lmao Ya right.

Never happen.

[jdobbin]

Quite sad and pathetic when the stalker of the board flails about and can't actually debate about anything. His only objective is to smear and act like as hindquarters of a donkey. Any election that that I haven't been able to follow or didn't know the local issues in, I have not made a prediction in. I certainly didn't know enough about PEI's or Quebec's election to make a prediction in and didn't. Nor did I have any idea what would happen in Alberta because I haven't seen enough of the local tone or texture to city and urban politics in that province.

Other elections, I have been out of the country and didn't know the election results until I saw a blurb in an international paper the next day.

I'm good but I am not Kreskin.

[Who's Doing What?]

Respond to my post false accuser boy.

Ooooo So demanding and forceful.

[Michael Bluth]

Respond to my post false accuser boy.

Ooooo So demanding and forceful.

This is what I was responding to. Any comment on the nature of this post WDW?

Ah yes, there it is. Stalker boy chimes right in afterwards.

[jdobbin]

Respond to my post false accuser boy.

Ooooo So demanding and forceful.

It is the type of response I was expecting. Wasn't this poster the one talking about the hateocracy? Well, he seems to have one personally for me.

It is the kind of hate that got another poster called Ricki kicked off the board.

[sharkman]

Uh, how did your predictions go for our last federal election? Didn't you predict a Liberal win? I only bring it up because every time I talk about upcoming American elections, you talk about how wildly wrong I was with the mid-terms. And you exaggerate my predictions to make it seem so.

With your track record, I won't be holding my breath.

I wasn't on this board during the last election so I wouldn't think you have any knowledge of my last election predictions at all.

The only election I have given my thoughts on was the Manitoba election. My prediction was for an NDP majority and no change in the seat count. I was one seat off.

Feel free to check any of that.

As far as your predictions go, you did assert that the Republicans would win and I didn't have to exaggerate anything you said. It is all in the forum record. You are free to check back if you like.

You seem to have trouble reading. But you have indeed repeatedly overstated what I said about the American elections in order to make my predictions seem worse than they were. Maybe you should check back yourself. I am surprised to find you've only been on this board less than one year, and yet you have amassed over 7000 posts. Why do you spend so much time here?

[Michael Bluth]

You seem to have trouble reading. But you have indeed repeatedly overstated what I said about the American elections in order to make my predictions seem worse than they were. Maybe you should check back yourself. I am surprised to find you've only been on this board less than one year, and yet you have amassed over 7000 posts. Why do you spend so much time here?

To attack Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party of Canada at every opportunity.

To make false accusations against those posters who don't share his views.

Better watch out sharkman, the accusations will be hurled at you soon enough.

[Who's Doing What?]

You seem to have trouble reading. But you have indeed repeatedly overstated what I said about the American elections in order to make my predictions seem worse than they were. Maybe you should check back yourself. I am surprised to find you've only been on this board less than one year, and yet you have amassed over 7000 posts. Why do you spend so much time here?

To attack Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party of Canada at every opportunity.

To make false accusations against those posters who don't share his views.

Better watch out sharkman, the accusations will be hurled at you soon enough.

OK let's see... a little tweek here and and little alteration there and, whatta ya know....

To attack Stephane Dion and the Liberal Party of Canada at every opportunity.

To insult those posters who don't share his views.

Better watch out (insert politically Left leaning name here), the insults will be hurled at you soon enough.

Ta Da.....

[sharkman]

Back atcha, you just described some of your own posts W.

[Who's Doing What?]

Back atcha, you just described some of your own posts W.

Ofcourse YOU would NEVER EVER post such things. hahahahahaha