Shootings in Toronto

[gc1765]

I'm getting a bit tired of the rank and disgusting bigotry here. One of my law partners is a Jamaican female lawyer and she is one of the finest lawyers, parents and human beings that I know anywhere, of any race or nationality. So are the Jamaicans she associates with. She does associate with many non-Jamaicans since we are not cursed with racial segregation multiculturalism.

I asked her why she came to our country, and she did say it was to get away from the obstacles to progress such as violence. These immigrants are people, by and large, that come to Canada and the US to make a better life for themselves and, in so doing, make our countries better places. Please cut the bigotry.

Thanks.

Excellent post. I knew you had a liberal side after all

[ScottSA]

Stop running around as the self-appointed pottymouth police. If you can't muster a sense of humour, then don't read whatever it is you don't like. I'm sick unto death of political correctness precluding honest discussion and or harmless sideswipe humour. Make fun of me and my sheep shagging ancestors all you want, I don't care. Lighten up for God's sake.

Excuse me.

I am not politically correct. I am standing up for the people I work with. And I'll stand up for people to whom I'm loyal any minute of the day, any day of the week, not matter what you think.

That's fine and I applaud you for your loyalty, but don't expect to hand out lectures to people and not get flac for them. This is not your workplace. This is an internet forum. And I note that like many of us, you don't mind slagging Islam, in time to the washtub n' spoons cackles from the left of "bigot" and "racist," sop you're hardly in a position to preach. Good for your co-worker...she probably doesn't go hope and cut loose at homies with automatic weapons, and that's very commendable. Unfortunately many of her fellow countryment do, so she gets saddled witht he stereotype. I don't shag sheep either, but unfortunately other Scotsmen...well, anyway...lighten up.

[jbg]

Excellent post. I knew you had a liberal side after all

Thanks for the compliment. Basically, I am liberal and left of center. But those issues, such as racial inclusion, gender inclusion and gay inclusion, which I feel strongly about, are generally not debated. I oppose preferences based on those criteria, but am below no one in my advocacy of the view that people should be permitted to rise to the levels their competence allows. Any other position needlessly impoverishes society.

[jbg]

And I note that like many of us, you don't mind slagging Islam, in time to the washtub n' spoons cackles from the left of "bigot" and "racist," sop you're hardly in a position to preach.

I slag what the Islamists do. More to the point, I slag the fact that the "mainstream" parts of Islam don't unequivocally repudiate what the "militants" do. To quote Mark Steyn, "trust me, you wouldn't want to be sitting next to a Hamas activist when he 'activates'".

Good for your co-worker...she probably doesn't go hope and cut loose at homies with automatic weapons, and that's very commendable. Unfortunately many of her fellow countryment do, so she gets saddled witht he stereotype. I don't shag sheep either, but unfortunately other Scotsmen...well, anyway...lighten up.

If you met her, you'd see that she's less prone to temper or violence than the Jewish senior partner of the firm is.

[BornAlbertan]

I can't say what the cause is...but ain't it grand to see our gun registry saving lives?! I feel so warm and fuzzy inside knowing that it is there to protect me from criminals and their legally registered weapons.

[scribblet]

I don't think all is as it seemed in the Manner's household, the sister has now been picked up. Momma must have had a clue about all of this and maybe Dalton McGuinty rushed into this inquiry, it appears to be just more guns and gangstas.

http://www.torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndG...262681-sun.html

The sister of Jordan Manners -- the 15-year-old student gunned down last month in a Toronto high school -- was among the people charged in a massive police crackdown on street gangs in the Driftwood Ave. neighbourhood.

Necole Small, 25, is charged with possession of a prohibited firearm with ammunition, a police source confirmed last night.

[jbg]

Necole Small, 25, is charged with possession of a prohibited firearm with ammunition, a police source confirmed last night.

Gee, I thought the name would be Samuel Katz, Joel Mandel, Brian Epstein or something like that.

[Argus]

i worked in a factory with them Jamaicans, they are very good with hands, have a good mobility, they are strong, with muscular bodies.

Also, I saw some Jamaican girls, working as painters, on construction sites.

Yeah, the perfect immigrants...do their work, and then go home and shoot each other...

I'm getting a bit tired of the rank and disgusting bigotry here. One of my law partners is a Jamaican female lawyer and she is one of the finest lawyers, parents and human beings that I know anywhere, of any race or nationality. So are the Jamaicans she associates with. She does associate with many non-Jamaicans since we are not cursed with racial segregation multiculturalism.

I asked her why she came to our country, and she did say it was to get away from the obstacles to progress such as violence. These immigrants are people, by and large, that come to Canada and the US to make a better life for themselves and, in so doing, make our countries better places. Please cut the bigotry.

Thanks.

I'm getting a little tired of this "Hey, I know a Mexican/Jamaican/Muslim/Indian" and they're just fine!

Jamaican culture is in the toilet and has been for a long time. Does your female law partner have a husband, by any chance? Few Jamaican mothers do, it seems. Is it racist to comment on that, or the incredible amounts of crime in the Jamaican communities - all Jamaican communities - be they in Jamaica, Canada, Britain or the US? Should I repost the article stating that 90% of the violent gang crime in Toronto is due to Jamaicans? Do you think perhaps there's maybe a reason why people might be down on Jamaicans that has nothing to do with their skin colour?

You said this woman wanted to get away from the obstacles to progress, like violence - what happens when we bring in hundreds of thousands of that community and they bring those obstacles to progress with them?

[Guest chilipeppers]

I agree, but it is a taboo subject for most because as we can see in the Rest of the World forum, there are the types who continually cry racist and so on. It is pretty hard to discuss this type of thing rationally.

[ScottSA]

You said this woman wanted to get away from the obstacles to progress, like violence - what happens when we bring in hundreds of thousands of that community and they bring those obstacles to progress with them?

Well put

[RB]

I don't believe there is a positive role model for the kids. The areas are depressed, and the communities are very poor. The feeling is that communities practice their own cultures, with their own adaptation of what it means to be Canadian. This is because they are unable to integrate into mainstream wealth.

With poor communities always come problems, social problems: drinking to ease misery, drugs to make quick money, single parent family that take 3 jobs and neglect the many children, guns because it is a model to follow, seen on TV , and the music culture... hardly room for advancement but mostly some vicious cycles of struggles and despair.

I sometimes think the folks have nothing to loose, they become irrational and loose their cool but really it is about giving up their personal battles.

[jazzer]

Excellent post. I knew you had a liberal side after all

Thanks for the compliment. Basically, I am liberal and left of center. But those issues, such as racial inclusion, gender inclusion and gay inclusion, which I feel strongly about, are generally not debated. I oppose preferences based on those criteria, but am below no one in my advocacy of the view that people should be permitted to rise to the levels their competence allows. Any other position needlessly impoverishes society.

After reading through a few threads here, it's obvious you may have your work cut out for you. I'm surprised the moderator lets the bigotry and racism slip on by. But then, to the right, it's just another day's joke.

[BC_chick]

if you need solid muscular males, with high testosterone levels, for work, you have to accept their violence

Now THAT was hilarious.

Somehow I'm guessing rogue state is a woman.

[jbg]

Jamaican culture is in the toilet and has been for a long time. Does your female law partner have a husband, by any chance?

Divorced, but he was quite involved, and is still a devoted father and productive municipal employee in New York.

You said this woman wanted to get away from the obstacles to progress, like violence - what happens when we bring in hundreds of thousands of that community and they bring those obstacles to progress with them?

That may be ttrue of others, but this person is a shining star.

[jbg]

After reading through a few threads here, it's obvious you may have your work cut out for you. I'm surprised the moderator lets the bigotry and racism slip on by. But then, to the right, it's just another day's joke.

You can call me a lot of things, but racist is not one of them.

[capricorn]

The first mistake politicians made was to cluster social housing together which resulted in ghettos. Low income families gravitated toward these neighborhoods due to financial constraints. Most of these families rely on welfare as their sole source of income or to supplement income as a means of survival. When a particular disadvantaged ethnic group dominates a given neighborhood, it is their only claim to empowerment. Youth in that environment take hold of that empowerment and milk it to their economic advantage. That is, they establish territorial markets for selling drugs and guns, and for weilding power. If only one group existed in that area, no problem. But introduce a second group and you create competition. There may be some ethnic groups more prone to slipping into violence to protect their territory. I cannot say as I am not an expert nor a sociologist.

I speak from experience having grown up in a poor district where competing gangs (benign compared to Jane/Finch) existed. Back in the 60s, there was no such thing as social housing and social assistance was handed out only for dire emergencies. You made do with what you had to survive. On the street, differences were settled with fists, not with guns and knives. But it was still about who was the strongest.

I never quite understood why politicians devised a plan to ghettoize disadvantaged people in large cities without anticipating the problems faced today. Chalk one up to myopia.

[jbg]

I never quite understood why politicians devised a plan to ghettoize disadvantaged people in large cities without anticipating the problems faced today. Chalk one up to myopia.

They want to appear caring and concerned, but don't want to face the music with middle-to-upper class voters. Also, land costs may be a legitimate obstacle to integration of poor people.

[Keepitsimple]

I never quite understood why politicians devised a plan to ghettoize disadvantaged people in large cities without anticipating the problems faced today. Chalk one up to myopia.

They want to appear caring and concerned, but don't want to face the music with middle-to-upper class voters. Also, land costs may be a legitimate obstacle to integration of poor people.

Social Housing as we know it, should not exist. Why warehouse poor people? Rent supplements would seem to be more effective - then people can reasonable choose where to live. Here in Toronto, there is a relatively high vacancy rate.

[jbg]

Social Housing as we know it, should not exist. Why warehouse poor people? Rent supplements would seem to be more effective - then people can reasonable choose where to live. Here in Toronto, there is a relatively high vacancy rate.

In the US we have them. They're called "Section 8" grants.

They are indeed a good thing. Trouble is that the lower middle-class whites, whose apartment buildings are targeted by the subsidy holders, don't necessarily like their new neighbors. It's easy for me to call it racism, but then again where I live I don't have to worry about the quality of the neighbors. A "Section 8" subsidy amounting to approximately $700 USD per month isn't going to bring a "planned unit development" unit renting for $2500 per month within range of affordability.

It is often the relatively well off that decry "racism" among the lower middle-classes (as they did during the "Civil Rights" movement of the 1960's in the South). These same people will accept, with a smile, upper middle class black families as neighbors because they have organized families, play nicely with white children, etc. It is the lower middle-class people that wind up with unassimilated, and more difficult and disruptive neighbors.

[Mad_Michael]

I never quite understood why politicians devised a plan to ghettoize disadvantaged people in large cities without anticipating the problems faced today. Chalk one up to myopia.

They want to appear caring and concerned, but don't want to face the music with middle-to-upper class voters. Also, land costs may be a legitimate obstacle to integration of poor people.

Social Housing as we know it, should not exist. Why warehouse poor people? Rent supplements would seem to be more effective - then people can reasonable choose where to live. Here in Toronto, there is a relatively high vacancy rate.

Why should the taxpayer pay for rent subsidies for poor people to enable them to live in one of the most expensive cities in the country?

That policy is even more absurd than warehousing the poor in 'large public housing estates' that are second only to prisons themselves for inculcating a criminal culture.

The more the 'poor activists' activiate - the more 'poor people' we end up with. Kinda like those 'homeless activists' - the more activists, the more homeless!

[margrace]

Lots of opinions good and bad but how do we solve the problem and what would a city such as Toronto survive without this cheap labour? You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

[Argus]

I never quite understood why politicians devised a plan to ghettoize disadvantaged people in large cities without anticipating the problems faced today. Chalk one up to myopia.

They want to appear caring and concerned, but don't want to face the music with middle-to-upper class voters. Also, land costs may be a legitimate obstacle to integration of poor people.

Social Housing as we know it, should not exist. Why warehouse poor people? Rent supplements would seem to be more effective - then people can reasonable choose where to live. Here in Toronto, there is a relatively high vacancy rate.

Look at it this way. You work hard, your spouse works hard, to afford the rent in a nice middle class apartment with your kid. Then the government takes your taxes and gives it to some trashy welfare mom and her sulky, out of control kids to live next door to you. She pays 1/2 the rent you pay, stays at home all day, and spends late nights on her balcony drinking and smoking and laughing with her welfare bum friends while you're trying to get some shut-eye because you have to go to work tomorrow morning.

Now how are you going to feel?

[margrace]

Look at it this way. You work hard, your spouse works hard, to afford the rent in a nice middle class apartment with your kid. Then the government takes your taxes and gives it to some trashy welfare mom and her sulky, out of control kids to live next door to you. She pays 1/2 the rent you pay, stays at home all day, and spends late nights on her balcony drinking and smoking and laughing with her welfare bum friends while you're trying to get some shut-eye because you have to go to work tomorrow morning.

Now how are you going to feel?

Thanks Mr. Reagan, now will the next idiot stand up. Who does all the cleaning in Toronto, it certainly isn't nasty conservatives like you.

[ScottSA]

Look at it this way. You work hard, your spouse works hard, to afford the rent in a nice middle class apartment with your kid. Then the government takes your taxes and gives it to some trashy welfare mom and her sulky, out of control kids to live next door to you. She pays 1/2 the rent you pay, stays at home all day, and spends late nights on her balcony drinking and smoking and laughing with her welfare bum friends while you're trying to get some shut-eye because you have to go to work tomorrow morning.

Now how are you going to feel?

Thanks Mr. Reagan, now will the next idiot stand up. Who does all the cleaning in Toronto, it certainly isn't nasty conservatives like you.

As usual, call names and avoid the question. How empty.

[margrace]

Avoided it all together didn't you, who does the cleaning, that was my question. How can they stay at home and work, as someone else said, three jobs. Your welfare queens don't exist do they?