BC_chick Posted June 7, 2007 Report Posted June 7, 2007 During the Republican debates last night.... Weather Services International, Inc. reported several instances of lightning strikes throughout the debate, the effects of which could be heard a few times when some of the candidates’ microphones went in and out as they were speaking.In a particular case of bad timing, lightning struck just as Giuliani was responding to recent comments from a Catholic bishop likening the former New York City mayor to Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor who condemned Jesus to be crucified. As his microphone buzzed in and out, Giuliani joked, “For someone who went to parochial schools all his life, this is a frightening thing that’s happening right now.” http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/...rikes-giuliani/ The Republican party's Christian base had already vowed not to support him. He may not recover from this little misfortune. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
kuzadd Posted June 7, 2007 Report Posted June 7, 2007 Oh, oh, God is smiting him! lol Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 7, 2007 Report Posted June 7, 2007 During the Republican debates last night....Weather Services International, Inc. reported several instances of lightning strikes throughout the debate, the effects of which could be heard a few times when some of the candidates’ microphones went in and out as they were speaking.In a particular case of bad timing, lightning struck just as Giuliani was responding to recent comments from a Catholic bishop likening the former New York City mayor to Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor who condemned Jesus to be crucified. As his microphone buzzed in and out, Giuliani joked, “For someone who went to parochial schools all his life, this is a frightening thing that’s happening right now.” http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/...rikes-giuliani/ The Republican party's Christian base had already vowed not to support him. He may not recover from this little misfortune. Too funny. Something reagan realized: Ignore the religious right and go after the "reagan democrats". If the RR doesn't support Giuliani, who cares? What R they gonna do - vote for Hillary? In terms of winning the nomination, though, I can see a the problem. Quote
geoffrey Posted June 8, 2007 Report Posted June 8, 2007 Something reagan realized: Ignore the religious right and go after the "reagan democrats". If the RR doesn't support Giuliani, who cares? What R they gonna do - vote for Hillary? Too smart. US politics isn't like that. The Republicans will elect someone to focus on their religious right base and the Dems will elect someone to focus on their loony-left Rosie O'Donnell base. Niether claims the middle because they just don't get it. Reagan got it. Clinton got it. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 8, 2007 Report Posted June 8, 2007 Something reagan realized: Ignore the religious right and go after the "reagan democrats". If the RR doesn't support Giuliani, who cares? What R they gonna do - vote for Hillary? Too smart. US politics isn't like that. The Republicans will elect someone to focus on their religious right base and the Dems will elect someone to focus on their loony-left Rosie O'Donnell base. Niether claims the middle because they just don't get it. Reagan got it. Clinton got it. Let's face it - America is always at it's best when it's "money first". Look at those two great decades: the 80's with reagan and the '90's with clinton. Quote
gc1765 Posted June 8, 2007 Report Posted June 8, 2007 How do we know it was because of Giuliani's abortion comment? Maybe it was a pre-emptive strike against Giuliani for his comment that, knowing what we now know, he still thinks that the Iraq war was a good idea Think about it, there's nothing in the bible condemning abortion, but it says pretty clearly "thou shalt not kill"... (and abortion wouldn't count as killing according to the bible, since Adam was not alive until he took his first breath...and fetuses don't breathe) Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
runningdog Posted June 8, 2007 Report Posted June 8, 2007 Something reagan realized: Ignore the religious right and go after the "reagan democrats". If the RR doesn't support Giuliani, who cares? What R they gonna do - vote for Hillary? Too smart. US politics isn't like that. The Republicans will elect someone to focus on their religious right base and the Dems will elect someone to focus on their loony-left Rosie O'Donnell base. Niether claims the middle because they just don't get it. Reagan got it. Clinton got it. actually, both the Rethugs and the Dims give you just about the same product, both controlled by big business. The best way to control an arguement? Own both sides. Quote
BC_chick Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Posted June 9, 2007 (and abortion wouldn't count as killing according to the bible, since Adam was not alive until he took his first breath...and fetuses don't breathe) Wow, brilliant. I'm going to use that argument in the future, I hope you don't mind. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
geoffrey Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 (and abortion wouldn't count as killing according to the bible, since Adam was not alive until he took his first breath...and fetuses don't breathe)Wow, brilliant. I'm going to use that argument in the future, I hope you don't mind. It's a weak theological argument, I've heard it before. Start another thread and I'll tear it to shreds on a theological basis (outside of my actual views on the subject). Here's my advice, from a ignoring-the-issue-pro-lifer to a pro-choicer. Don't agrue with these guys on the Bible. You'll never win. Use that rationality that you have instead, you'll do much better, and have more fun when they start chasing their tails. Trying to rationalise with your typical religious person is a waste of time. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
gc1765 Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Here's my advice, from a ignoring-the-issue-pro-lifer to a pro-choicer. Don't agrue with these guys on the Bible. You'll never win. Use that rationality that you have instead, you'll do much better, and have more fun when they start chasing their tails.Trying to rationalise with your typical religious person is a waste of time. Really, cause I have found that the only way to argue with a religious person is to use the bible. They won't listen to any other arguments. It's especially fun to use against Christians who support the Iraq war Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
geoffrey Posted June 10, 2007 Report Posted June 10, 2007 Really, cause I have found that the only way to argue with a religious person is to use the bible. They won't listen to any other arguments. It's especially fun to use against Christians who support the Iraq war Nah. I think my point was more along the lines of just don't talk to them if they can't be rational people. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
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