Education and Healthcare

[Topaz]

In France, the people don't pay directly for their education or the healthcare , its taken out of their taxes. Should Ontario have the same idea particularly with education and if so, should it go national???

[Slavik44]

In France, the people don't pay directly for their education or the healthcare , its taken out of their taxes. Should Ontario have the same idea particularly with education and if so, should it go national???

I do like the idea of Universal Public Health Insurance as found in France...I think it has proven to be both effective and affordable. It is also true that countries that follow such a system for healthcare tend to be ranked as having the best healthcare systems...while I realise these rankings could be flawed...I think there may be something to them and dare I say it, but perhaps we could learn something from the French and allow for a combination of Private and public delivery and as a result ensure not only treatment but, timely treatment.

[fellowtraveller]

In France, the people don't pay directly for their education or the healthcare , its taken out of their taxes. Should Ontario have the same idea particularly with education and if so, should it go national???

That is incorrect.

Not only do the French pay massive amounts via taxes for healthcare, they also pay directly to the physician.

Or so my brother- who has lived there for many years - tells me. They pay 10 to 20 Euros per visit to a GP(about $15 to $30) and a bit more per visit to a specialist doctor.

If you are demonstrably poor, that money is wholly or partially refunded by the state. Otherwise, user fees are the norm.

[M.Dancer]

In France, the people don't pay directly for their education or the healthcare , its taken out of their taxes. Should Ontario have the same idea particularly with education and if so, should it go national???

That is incorrect.

Not only do the French pay massive amounts via taxes for healthcare, they also pay directly to the physician.

Or so my brother- who has lived there for many years - tells me. They pay 10 to 20 Euros per visit to a GP(about $15 to $30) and a bit more per visit to a specialist doctor.

If you are demonstrably poor, that money is wholly or partially refunded by the state. Otherwise, user fees are the norm.

Yes, I understood they had a means tested system.

[margrace]

There are two parts to this post and you all do not seem to value education. It is wierd that we think we can put the emphazes on Health Care and not train people to present it. This may be a large part of our problem. The schools in our area are suffering badly because the enrollment is down and we are in the north of Ontario.

My son is taking his apprentiship in Plumbing, Ontario is crying for blue collar workers but where does he go for schooling. Very few places in Ontario offer the schooling to back the Apprentiship people.

[scribblet]

I think the French pay about 20% of their gross salary – ( self-employed paymore) deducted at sourceto pay for their Sécurité sociale.

[Argus]

In France, the people don't pay directly for their education or the healthcare , its taken out of their taxes. Should Ontario have the same idea particularly with education and if so, should it go national???

I think one of the big differences between the French and us is that our doctors and nurses are paid far more than French doctors and nurses. Most probably this is because due to the language and proximity to the US, our health care workers can easily leave for better paying pastures if we don't pay them well.

[fellowtraveller]

I think the French pay about 20% of their gross salary – ( self-employed paymore) deducted at sourceto pay for their Sécurité sociale.

Overall, the tax bill from Paris is over 50% and often 60% for middle class people. They also have such delightful wrinkles like the self-employed pay a lot into employment insurance, yet cannot collect.