Forget All Else: Islamic Law Comes To Canada

[mcqueen625]

We'll see how reasonable you think sharia law is when it hits close to home and challenges one of your pet hobby horses.

it wont.

canada is a modern democracy which has intrinsic protections against rolling back into the middle ages.

read the charter or rights and freedoms to see what canada stands for.

sirriff

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The reality is that the Charter is whatever some liberal minded judge decides in his/her pea brain it will mean at a given point in time, and that opinion can change with the changing of the makeup of the court. People must remember that our judiciary is nothing but a reward for party loyalty, in othr words it is just another in a long list of patronage appointments, but the danger of having an appointed judiciary like we have is that these people are beholden only to those that appointed them to office, virtualy for life. These people, once appointed are not accountable to anybody. In fact our own PM stated uncatagorically that; "As far as I'm concerned the Supreme Court IS the final word in this country." In other words he is even willing to allow the Parliament of Canada, The Senate, and all citizen to be subjected to the whims of these political hacks, with no recourse. That is not what Canada was supposed to be all about! If the Charter has somehow bestowed this authority onto the Supreme Court, then it is time to scrap this useless piece of trash and develop a Charter that is written and voted on by the People of Canada, not something that is foisted upon us as this Charter was by a bunch of lawyers, who's goal was to advance their own agendas as to what they and social engineers think OUR COUNTRY should look like..

[mcqueen625]

You guys in Canada are nuts. What next? stoning women for adultery, killing gays, making it law to not show your ankles? You are kidding yourselves if you think Moslems who want sharia law will not keep pushing for that! Before you know it you will have lost all your freedoms that you now take for granted. You won't be able to drink alcohol, have sex with who you choose, be able to wear nice clothing, change your religion, and a host of other freedoms.

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If things ever get to that point, I vow that I will take up arms and oppose it with kim-like fury that will make the Iraq insurgents look like the Ladies Temperance Society.

However, our constitution won't permit things to reach that point... not unless our entire society goes through some sort of upheaval.

-k

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What a crock, you'll do as the government tells you to do and meekly nod your little head's yes, just like a good apathetic Canadian, and just like the government knows you will. Why do you think our government has gotten away with virtually stealing from the public purse? Because politicians know that Canadian's will just verbally complain , and then turn around and vote the same pack of thieves back into office. Martin and team is a prime example of this happening, and if he called an election tomorrow, Ontario voters would vote him and the rest of the Liberal thieves right back into office for another round of pilferring.

[mirror]

A Muslim woman's sharia ordeal

I'm not sure what to make of this sharia proposal.

Women in other religious groups in Canada have to request permission from their spouses to divorce.

We are going ahead with this because of the other religious groups in Canada that also have been given special privileges. Because you can't refuse one religious group and not another. Quite the dilemma I would say.

[waxer]

I haven't talked here for a while, How is this thing going in Canada? Have the muslims got their own laws yet? I certainly hope not. Before you allow that, you really should find out about what their laws are- eg on apostacy (leaving Islam), zina (sex outside marriage), homosexuality- they all bring the death penalty under sharia.

[geoffrey]

Ontario rejected it.

It was meant to settle family disputes, not criminal code offenses... they've have no ability to inflict any punishment beyond fiscal means if it had passed.

Not that I support having two legal systems in Canada anyways.

[waxer]

Good, but this is the thing- What was stopping them from doing that anyway? why would they need a law change? There is nothing stopping musims from having their own hearings in their own mosques . The only reason they would want the law changed is to start the process of Islamification of Canada!

[GostHacked]

Ontario rejected it.

It was meant to settle family disputes, not criminal code offenses... they've have no ability to inflict any punishment beyond fiscal means if it had passed.

Not that I support having two legal systems in Canada anyways.

We only have room for one judicial system. As far as I know, Sharia Law has been shot down in Canada across the board. I am glad this got shot down, and even the jewish tribunals abolished. This is being progressive.

[geoffrey]

Good, but this is the thing- What was stopping them from doing that anyway? why would they need a law change? There is nothing stopping musims from having their own hearings in their own mosques . The only reason they would want the law changed is to start the process of Islamification of Canada!

Nah, that sounds like some fear mongering. If they want to have family disputes settled within the law, outside of our courts, go for it, save me my money.

But I don't think anyone in Canada is going to let Sharia law come into effect anywhere. Even in Ontario it was barred. It's not happening, no need to worry.

I don't buy the Islamification agenda either.

[JerrySeinfeld]

It was meant to settle family disputes, not criminal code offenses... they've have no ability to inflict any punishment beyond fiscal means if it had passed.

Problem: a muslim family dispute could very easily BE a criminal offense.

When a muslim man beats his wife, do you think she's going to speak up when asked if she wants to abide by the sharia dispute mechanism? NO! She's going to OK it.

Wife beating is a common practise in muslim households, even approved of by the Koran.

This new "shari dispute mechanism" smells of the stuff in Australia, where police handbooks suggest lesser action against muslim wife-beaters out of "respect for religious habits and traditions".

I posted the Australian example months ago, and titled the post "is Canada next"?

Guess what? we ARE next. What a disgusting country.

[arif]

It was meant to settle family disputes, not criminal code offenses... they've have no ability to inflict any punishment beyond fiscal means if it had passed.

Problem: a muslim family dispute could very easily BE a criminal offense.

When a muslim man beats his wife, do you think she's going to speak up when asked if she wants to abide by the sharia dispute mechanism? NO! She's going to OK it.

Wife beating is a common practise in muslim households, even approved of by the Koran.

This new "shari dispute mechanism" smells of the stuff in Australia, where police handbooks suggest lesser action against muslim wife-beaters out of "respect for religious habits and traditions".

I posted the Australian example months ago, and titled the post "is Canada next"?

Guess what? we ARE next. What a disgusting country.

As a Muslim, I'm totally against Sharia law having any legal basis in Canada.

I thought we went through this already and decided no?

In the Ontario case, there were many Muslims opposed to Sharia, and voiced opposition.

I don't even believe in Sharia, it is not the word of God, it is some clerics interpretation.

As an example, the Koran says "no compulsion in religion", yet in Afghanistan they want the death penalty for conversion. It's obvious to me that the Sharia there is completely opposite to what the Koran says. It's obvious that it is faulty, artificial, a tool for the powerful. If so, why are Muslims so attached to it?

my 2 cents,

Arif

[JerrySeinfeld]

It was meant to settle family disputes, not criminal code offenses... they've have no ability to inflict any punishment beyond fiscal means if it had passed.

Problem: a muslim family dispute could very easily BE a criminal offense.

When a muslim man beats his wife, do you think she's going to speak up when asked if she wants to abide by the sharia dispute mechanism? NO! She's going to OK it.

Wife beating is a common practise in muslim households, even approved of by the Koran.

This new "shari dispute mechanism" smells of the stuff in Australia, where police handbooks suggest lesser action against muslim wife-beaters out of "respect for religious habits and traditions".

I posted the Australian example months ago, and titled the post "is Canada next"?

Guess what? we ARE next. What a disgusting country.

As a Muslim, I'm totally against Sharia law having any legal basis in Canada.

I thought we went through this already and decided no?

In the Ontario case, there were many Muslims opposed to Sharia, and voiced opposition.

I don't even believe in Sharia, it is not the word of God, it is some clerics interpretation.

As an example, the Koran says "no compulsion in religion", yet in Afghanistan they want the death penalty for conversion. It's obvious to me that the Sharia there is completely opposite to what the Koran says. It's obvious that it is faulty, artificial, a tool for the powerful. If so, why are Muslims so attached to it?

my 2 cents,

Arif

WOW. Thank you Arif for your Candor and honesty. This is great stuff. I have a question for you...you ask at the end of your post: "why are muslims so attached to it?"

So my question is...ARE most muslims attached to it?

[waxer]

If Islamification of Canada is not the aim, why try to make new laws to suit the muslims? I say again, they ALREADY could use their own religious system within the laws of Canada. So what are they asking for? dispensation from the laws that everyone esle has to adhere to?

Also, you should come here where muslims who make up 4% of the population have winged so much that many laws have passed just to keep them happy. Like the police handbooks mentoned earlier, the fact that christmas celebrations have either been banned in public or curtailed, the fact that after the Cronulla riots where the locals (including me) had had enough of the gangs taking over the streets, the police cracked down only on the Anglo's, that is despite NOT ONE muslim being stabbed or other serious injury, but over 30 anglo's being seriously hurt with knives etc. I am so sick of the political correctness that is forcing our western nations to give away the rights so easily, that our forefathers fought and died for. I hope there are enough Canadians to see what is happening, we are in the firing line of Islamic desire for world domination, by all means possible- they are using birth rates, terrorism, immigration and economic (oil etc) means to defeat us and we are to stupid to realise it.

If you don't believe me, have a look at the various Islamic chat sites like Ummah.com, you will be surprised at how true what I am saying is.

[mcqueen625]

Political correctness, tolerance and inclusiveness has gone overboard in Canada, to the point where now our system of common law is threatened, perhaps mortally.

The first steps have been taken for Islamic law, or Sharia to be recognized in canada, and enforced by canadian judges.

while it is supposed to be strictly for use in disputes between Muslims, I think we can all see where it is all headed. Next the Sikhs will demand their own system be recognized, and then tamils... and on and on it goes.

It must be ONE law for all.

This must be opposed, and overturned. It is an outrage to have one set of laws for some people and another set of laws for another group. although I welcome immigration, and believe it enriches the country, the flipside is that those who come here must agree to live by Canadian law, and leave the old country behind. If things were so good over there, why leave in the first place?

Here are some articles that have appeared on this disturbing turn of events. This has far reaching implications, even more than the gay marriage issue, which generated record amounts of mail to MPs, and MPPs all across the country. Our legislators must here from Every canadian that this kind of arrangemet is NOT acceptable, and unless it is stopped, they will lose their seats.

From the Ottawa Citizen

From the Law TimesFrom Worldnet daily

I totally agree! If immigrant are going to come to Canada it should be only on the condition that they leave their cusoms and traditions behind in their country of birth. We cannot have these immigrants bringing their customs and traditions with them unless of course that custom is the total rejection of homosexual marriages, that I can accept, ebcause Canada was once a country that als rejected this lifestyle choice until Chretien a dn Martin lobbied for a gay and lesbian vote.

For security reasons we need to have a justice system that treats everyone the same regardless of their traditional beliefs and customs. Take Mustafa Dadar's deportation for instance, he neds to be sent back where he came from. He beat his former wife because she wanted to become Canadian without bringing with her traditional Iranian traditions of extreme Islam. He tried to have his duaghtert and his wife assume traditional Islamic roles of subservience, and traditional dress, and when his wife Mariam balked he beat her, now he wants the people of Canada to believe that he is a non-violent soul. He needs to be sent packing with his ideals and his strigent beliefs, and maybe his former wife and his latest victim will be able to live in the belief that he is out of their lives forever.

[Riverwind]

If immigrant are going to come to Canada it should be only on the condition that they leave their cusoms and traditions behind in their country of birth. We cannot have these immigrants bringing their customs and traditions with them unless of course that custom is the total rejection of homosexual marriages, that I can accept

It does not make sense to tell immigrants to adopt Canadian customs when Canadians themselves can't agree on what those customs are. Your crack about homsexual marriage is a perfect example: a large number (if not a majority) consider accepting SSM to be a important Canadian custom and homophobia is high on the list of things that immigrants should not bring to this country.

[Leafless]

waxer

You wrote- " we are in the firing lines of Islamic desire for worls domination, by all means possible, they are using birth rates, terrorism, immigration, economic (oil etc.) means to defeat us and weare to stupid to realize it."

I realize it, you realize it and many in this forum realize.

But our federal government continues to welcome them with open arms as immigrants.

I find this extremely strange as why the emphasis is on immigration of this type when there are so many other more desirable countries to provide a no hassle type of immigration more in line with Western ideologies.

Quebec has also been trying to gain an upper hand under cultural and linguistic domination and I am inclined to think heavy immigration from countries heavy on their own type of cultural beliefs is no accident and is done intentially to enforce the view that Canada is not controlled by the majority English, White, Christian Canadian.

[geoffrey]

Oh yes Leafless, I'm sure the grand Islamic conference of the World (GICOTW) had a discussion about how to use birth rates to make lots of little Islamists to immigrate to Canada and overthrow western democracy.

Come on now please. Islam isn't like many western religions in that it doesn't have a centralised policy making group. It's pretty much a random assortment of various sects. As long as they don't organize, I wouldn't be too worried about their quest for world domination as you think they are.

There is no conspiracy, you guys at times sound as crazy as those 'a truck crashed into the pentagon on 9/11' people.

If any group opposed your so called "Islamification" its Quebec. They have been the most outspoken on how it attacks their distinct society. They definitely aren't encouraging immigration of anyone other than French folks.

[Leafless]

geoffrey

You wrote- " I'm sure the grand Islamic conference of the world (GICOTW) had a discussion about how to use birthratesto make lots of little Islamics to immigrate to Canada and overthrow western democracy."

Muslim numbers are already there and I would not be to quick to discount actions of this sort as there is already currently a trial in progress involving Muslims in Ottawa concerning the manufacturing of electronic explosive triggering devices in a private Ottawa home with a link to possible terrorist action in London.

You also wrote- " If any group opposed your so called "Islamification" it's Quebec. They have been the most outspoken on how it attacks their distinct society."

I fully believe there was initially a conspiracy to cover Quebec's tracks in it's quest of dominating Canada on a basis of culture and linguistics as a weapon involving the federal government itself in which Quebec has as significant control within the Liberal party.

I believe this theory included masking it's advances by flooding Canada with ethnic immigrants to remove the 'English factor' as the present dominating factor which would allow Quebec as an 'official language' to move it's ideoligies a lot easier across Canada and gain control significantly easier in a official- multicultural country.

How do you explain B.C. being sold out to ethnic populations. And who was responsiable for this initial trend to do this to our country, to sell out a province in this fashion?

Buisness and White immigration was readily available right from the start if that's what B.C. wanted across the border called the U.S. but was declined in favour of ethnic immigrants.

Your right in saying Quebec is excempt from all of this and allowed to further build it's French speaking forces while the ROC is forced to accept all minority cultures removing the onus off of Quebec allowing it to swing it's cultural axe as leader of the minorities thus leaving it in the positon to gain more political control than ever.

[waxer]

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Oh yes Leafless, I'm sure the grand Islamic conference of the World (GICOTW) had a discussion about how to use birth rates to make lots of little Islamists to immigrate to Canada and overthrow western democracy.

Come on now please. Islam isn't like many western religions in that it doesn't have a centralised policy making group. It's pretty much a random assortment of various sects. As long as they don't organize, I wouldn't be too worried about their quest for world domination as you think they are.

There is no conspiracy, you guys at times sound as crazy as those 'a truck crashed into the pentagon on 9/11' people.

If any group opposed your so called "Islamification" its Quebec. They have been the most outspoken on how it attacks their distinct society. They definitely aren't encouraging immigration of anyone other than French folks.

No conspiracy?? how about you do some research like I have done on chat sites where muslims don't know you are watching- try Ummah.com whyislam.com and www.islamicboard.com just for starters, in fact, just go to "islamic forums" anywhere and have a look for a while, you will soon work out that world domination is their dream, that they do not respect the law of the land-only the law of sharia, that they consider all westerners evil and that they would take away all our freedoms if they could. Don't argue with me till you have a look for yourselves,

[geoffrey]

Personally, 'chat sites' aren't what I call a crediable source.

So what do we do with every muslim, since they obviously want to take over the world and leave us all in ruin? Kill them? Arrest them? What? What is your proposed course of action on this critical issue to our security??

[JerrySeinfeld]

Personally, 'chat sites' aren't what I call a crediable source.

So what do we do with every muslim, since they obviously want to take over the world and leave us all in ruin? Kill them? Arrest them? What? What is your proposed course of action on this critical issue to our security??

I think we start by being frank about SOME (radical) muslim's intentions and that they may not align with our society.

We then engage imams in a transparent dialogue about sharia and integration into the western world.

If we can't get imams to back the basic rules in our society this is an indication of insidiousness of intent.

[waxer]

Personally, 'chat sites' aren't what I call a crediable source.

So what do we do with every muslim, since they obviously want to take over the world and leave us all in ruin? Kill them? Arrest them? What? What is your proposed course of action on this critical issue to our security??

Sp personal chatsites are not credible? Why? You can see what the average muslim is talking about, if I go to a football chatsite, guess what they are talking about? If I go to a Christian chatsite-guess what they are talking about? So, if I go to a Muslim chatsite- guess whatthey are talking about?

As to what to do-for immigrants (The Dutch are doing similar as we speak) make them swear before Allah, that they will follow the laws of the land, that they will be tolerant of other people's right to live the way they want and will not try to change the way people live in the adopted country. Better still, outlaw immigration from muslims- would you have taken the Japanese as immigrants during the 2nd world war?

As to the muslims that are already in countries, do not under any circumstance change the laws to accomodate their narrow muslim beliefs. I mean, they are gauranteed religious fredom under the constitution of most western nations, but with that, comes the obligation to mind your own religious beliefs. A prime example is how they are continually wingeing about Christmas and other Christian celebrations supposedly "offending them"- well tough! No one asks them to look, and noone asks them to join in unless they want to.

I have a friend in England who had 1 solitary muslim come to work for them. He complained and used anti-discrimination laws to get :

* His own toilet to use- apparently his sensitive muslim beliefs wouldn't allow him to use the toilets women or kaffirs (people who reject Islam)use

* His own room in which to pray 5 times a day, the ruling was he must be able to practice his religious beliefs and he was to make up the time at the end of the day- trouble is, they wanted to close up, so they had to either stay back with him, or just let him off

* His own halal (food allowed under Islam) food at the cafeteria

* Then this little beauty- he didn't like the background music being played, because he believed that music is haramm (not allowed by Allah), so they had to get him a set of earphones so that he couldn't hear the music, he then comp[lained that they were uncomfortable and he was being discriminated against by having to wear them when noone else had to. So he is currently asking that they stop the music or get everyone else earphones- Last I heard this wasn't resolved.

This politically correct crap, is what must stop.

[geoffrey]

The politically correct stuff I agree needs to stop. That's just ridiculous.

In business, you only have to make allowences for an employee up to the point where it causes financial harm on the company. In Canada, you'd probably be able to dismiss such a demanding character.

I don't know about the UK labour laws, but you would be protected from having such a kook working for you here.

[waxer]

Do you think that happened over night? This is what they do, they chip away at your rights, using the excuse of their rights being supposedly violated- befor you know it, they have more rights than the people who they chose to go and live with. Really, if they wanted sharia law, why did they go to other countries in the first place, knowing full well that sharia law is not in place there. The answer is Islamification of the world, wake up and smell the roses before the thorns get you.

I strongly suggest people start to keep an eye on what muslims want, before they sneak up and take it.