Air India

[jdobbin]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/04/29/...ia-inquiry.html

The inquiry looking into the 1985 Air India bombing will be told Monday that government agencies were warned a number of times an airline attack was imminent, the CBC has learned.

The official line has been that the government knew of no such information, a key issue for the victims' families. Many of them testified last fall that Canadian law enforcement agencies had to know much more than they've let on, the CBC's Terry Milewski reported Sunday.

All previous governments both Liberal and Conservative have said no one knew.

[geoffrey]

Too bad we can't compel any witnesses to find out.

I mean, compelling someone to spill the beans in a terrorism investigation is a draconian breach of human rights, right? I'd hate to offend someone with knowledge that could finally find people responsible for the deaths of hundreds.

[Charles Anthony]

The Canadian responsibility in the Air India terrorist act is bizarre. It happened outside of Canadian waters on a foreign plane.

The way I see it: the Air India plane company is responsible for letting terrorists on their plane.

The fact that it left Canada or help Canadian passengers does not make it a Canadian responsibility.

[betsy]

The Canadian responsibility in the Air India terrorist act is bizarre. It happened outside of Canadian waters on a foreign plane.

The way I see it: the Air India plane company is responsible for letting terrorists on their plane.

The fact that it left Canada or help Canadian passengers does not make it a Canadian responsibility.

I know so little of the incident. But if it's true that it happened outside of Canadian waters, I'll tend to agree with you.

Unless the plane was targetted specifically due to the citizenship of most of its passengers.....which makes it our affair.

[guyser]

The fact that it left Canada or help Canadian passengers does not make it a Canadian responsibility.

If as I understand it, the CDN Govt had been warned, people thinking about using that flight had been warned in advance, the Govt knew of tensions that may result in a strike , do you still hold that position?

I dont as Canadians were on that flight, and as such we do need to be involved. The same way when something happens inside other countries, we do have some interest.

[Charles Anthony]

If as I understand it, the CDN Govt had been warned, people thinking about using that flight had been warned in advance, the Govt knew of tensions that may result in a strike , do you still hold that position?

If what you say is correct, my answer is YES, I still hold that view.

In fact, if passengers were warned, my view is actually re-inforced.

[mikedavid00]

All previous governments both Liberal and Conservative have said no one knew.

Who cares.

As a tax payer I'm tired of funding this thing.

I feel emberassed as a Canadian over this whole thing. The inquiry of course, how we are so dumb regarding this whole thing, and mostly, how and why we let these stone-age people into our country.

Ah yes Trudeau that's why.

But I'm tired of paying for this. I'm a tax payer and to be further honest, I don't care about the families of the victims either because over the years they have used this inquiry and a false sense of comfort. They have no lives. One daughter did a classical indian dance to show her sadness over this thing.. let's all forget about the fact that these were little children that don't remember their parents who died.

It's for the families own good that we put an end to this. If they wanted justice, they should have moved to the US.

Ah yes the US wouldn't let them in.

Hey man, I'm in the same sht hole country as they are in. If something happens to me via illness or justice I'll get screwed just like they will.

However, I will NOT waste their tax dollars.

let it go man. Get on with life and realize this country is like the place your parents came from.

After all, that's what you want it to be.

[guyser]

Who cares.

280 Canadians and their families I would bet. 49 others and their families are probably happy to get answers, if that is what comes out of this.

As a tax payer I'm tired of funding this thing.

You could vote to change the next poli.....oh wait a moment, do you vote?

But I'm tired of paying for this. I'm a tax payer and to be further honest, I don't care about the families of the victims either because over the years they have used this inquiry and a false sense of comfort. They have no lives. One daughter did a classical indian dance to show her sadness over this thing.. let's all forget about the fact that these were little children that don't remember their parents who died.

Kind of like Veterans Day or November 11th...do you want those days cancelled too?

Hey man, I'm in the same sht hole country as they are in. If something happens to me via illness or justice I'll get screwed just like they will.

The US wouldnt let you in again huh? Sorry you feel this way for Canada. Got any trips planned?

[mikedavid00]

280 Canadians and their families I would bet. 49 others and their families are probably happy to get answers, if that is what comes out of this.

60 Million got spent just on the 19 month trial. That's JUST the trial. Sorry. I'm tired of wasting money on this. We all know they did it. The Sikh's in BC know they did it, the community knows, officials in India know, people here in toronto know. WE ALL KNOW.

What do they families need to hear? The trials over. Please guys, stop wasting my money. I do NOT send my money to Ottawa for it to be spent on this.

You could vote to change the next poli.....oh wait a moment, do you vote?

Forget it. Our political system is in collapse. Harper has turned out to be a failure that I no longer support officially after the green house gas scam. They are chasing votes like any other party and you can't blame them either. Canada is corrupt now officially.

Kind of like Veterans Day or November 11th...do you want those days cancelled too?

They threw the Christmas tree out of the courthouse didn't they? If it offends a group of 2000 Muslims and they are out on the street, you'll see the end of Valentines day I assure you.

The US wouldnt let you in again huh? Sorry you feel this way for Canada. Got any trips planned?

Yes I'm going to Montreal in two weeks. I don't travel far. I stay in Canada and work and pay taxes.

[jdobbin]

The Canadian responsibility in the Air India terrorist act is bizarre. It happened outside of Canadian waters on a foreign plane.

The way I see it: the Air India plane company is responsible for letting terrorists on their plane.

The fact that it left Canada or help Canadian passengers does not make it a Canadian responsibility.

The bomb came from Canada and most of the passengers were Canadian. It was a Canadian crime.

[geoffrey]

Better yet, it was a crime against Canadian interests by people living in Canada (likely currently). Of course we should look into it. I don't want them up to no good again.

[betsy]

Better yet, it was a crime against Canadian interests by people living in Canada (likely currently). Of course we should look into it. I don't want them up to no good again.

Yes, I definitely agree.

[Charles Anthony]

The bomb came from Canada and most of the passengers were Canadian. It was a Canadian crime.

So what. This is not the first crime committed by Canadians outside of Canadian jurisdiction.

Better yet, it was a crime against Canadian interests by people living in Canada (likely currently). Of course we should look into it. I don't want them up to no good again.

I do not want them up to no good either but I believe there should be limits.

I maintain that the first responsibility lies with the Air India airline company for letting bombs on their plane. Canadians should NOT be subsidizing and taking the responsibility of security for every single foreign flight.

[guyser]

So what. This is not the first crime committed by Canadians outside of Canadian jurisdiction.

So what? The crime was committed in Canada on Canadian soil. Where it blew up is immaterial considering it was international waters.

You can commit some crimes outside this country and be arrested upon stepping on CDN soil.

I do not want them up to no good either but I believe there should be limits.

I believe those limits are criminal actions on Canadian soil with some exceptions.

I maintain that the first responsibility lies with the Air India airline company for letting bombs on their plane. Canadians should NOT be subsidizing and taking the responsibility of security for every single foreign flight.

The first line of defence is a joint airline/airport security team. The airlines pay the highest fees in the world to land in this country and that money is for security and airport facilities. The gov is most definitely not subsidizing anything, they are picking up almost the whole tab for it as per the landing fees paid. It is the way it works in NA.

If you can suggest a better method I am all ears.

The only airline I am aware of that handles plane security ( not airport) is El Al . Got to admit though, they have a pretty darn good record. But the idea of airlines having travelling security w guns on our soil is not what I would ever welcome. El Al should not be allowed to carry guns on our soil. Stay in the plane but dont come out.

[Charles Anthony]

The first line of defence is a joint airline/airport security team. The airlines pay the highest fees in the world to land in this country and that money is for security and airport facilities.

Obviously the government is not doing an adequate job.

If you can suggest a better method I am all ears.

Yes. Let the airlines take care of their own security.

The only airline I am aware of that handles plane security ( not airport) is El Al . Got to admit though, they have a pretty darn good record.

You are proving my point. What gives??

But the idea of airlines having travelling security w guns on our soil is not what I would ever welcome. El Al should not be allowed to carry guns on our soil. Stay in the plane but dont come out.

The price you have to pay for that is government-approved security flying over Lockerbie Scotland. Congratulations.

[guyser]

Yes. Let the airlines take care of their own security.

So then you have Air France security teams, Air Lingus security teams, Qantas security teams etc etc. All with their own agenda, all withe thier own weapons, all without any cohesiveness.

Not going to work as it is a very poorly thought out programme.

You are proving my point. What gives??

Grandfathered. Dont want anyone to extend it.

The price you have to pay for that is government-approved security flying over Lockerbie Scotland. Congratulations.

Yes. But what price paid if we allow a bunch of security teams to run around protecting whomever based on said security teams mandates and only their mandates.

[jdobbin]

So what. This is not the first crime committed by Canadians outside of Canadian jurisdiction.

I maintain that the first responsibility lies with the Air India airline company for letting bombs on their plane. Canadians should NOT be subsidizing and taking the responsibility of security for every single foreign flight.

Perhaps Air India in such circumstances would ask India to drop a big fat nuke on Canada because it supports terrorism.

In any event, instead of engaging in this highly theoretical and idealogical washing of hands, most people have to deal with the real and dangerous threat that Air India represented to Canada and to Canadians.

[jdobbin]

Pretty dramatic day for the Air India inquiry.

To those that said this was not a Canadian crime, it appears that even Mulroney was a target of these terrorists.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

Rae spoke a day after Ontario Lieutenant-Governor James Bartleman revealed he had received intelligence about the Air India bombing days before it occurred.

"We now hear from Mr. Bartleman about the Foreign Affairs situation, and that has really got to be of some great concern," Rae said. "If you go back to the 9/11 report, it talks about the silos between the FBI and the CIA and how certain information wasn't properly shared and I think, tragically, the Air India situation was a terrible precursor to that."

On June 23, 1985, Air India flight 182 exploded off the coast of Ireland, killing 307 passengers and 22 crew members.

[guyser]

With everything we now know , or rather what some people knew, does anyone still think this is not Canadas business to conduct this inquiry?