jbg Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 Israel should focus on preventing deaths from happening in the first place, they should not be killing purely out of revenge.So you support the wall? I doubt it. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 No, but I wouldn't bomb and occupy the innocent residents of Bernardotown just to get at the Pauls.But what if the people and government of Bernardotown, and the UN supported Bernardo? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gc1765 Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 Israel should focus on preventing deaths from happening in the first place, they should not be killing purely out of revenge.So you support the wall? I doubt it. Absolutely...but thanks for pre-judging me anyhow. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
WestViking Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 A bit of a caveat though. Israel can be disproportionate if it's morally justified. If Hamas kills 5 Israelis and Israel strikes back and kills 10,000 Hamas terrorists, I'm ok with that. The problem I have is Hamas kills 5 Israelis and Israel strikes back and kills 10,000 Hamas...Hamas then spreads some propoganda and recruits more militans. These new militants kill 10 Israelis, so Israel strikes back and kills 20,000...and it continues. If they had done nothing, they would have lost 5 people. By fighting back, they lost 15. Israel should focus on preventing deaths from happening in the first place, they should not be killing purely out of revenge. Your statistics are plain silly. You have no proof that the figures you cite are even remotely realistic. We don't see news reports of the bomb attacks, rocket attacks and sniper attacks that are commonplace in Israel. There have been countless efforts to make peace and the Arab position is essentially leave the Middle East and you can have peace. If you (Israel) don't leave, we are going to drive you into the (Red) sea. The Arab position is essentially unchanged since they turned down formation of a separate state of Palestine in 1948. They bragged then that they did not need a Palestine as they would destroy Israel, ending the matter. 60 years later it is Israel's fault the Arabs failed in their efforts. Look at it this way - Israel share the Middle East with neighbours from Hell who are bent on the destruction of Israel. They do not want co-existence, harmony, peace, tolerance or anything else but the elimination of Israel and her people. It is starkly simple. Israel 'overreacts' by beating off the multi-national armies raised to defeat her and refusing to put down her arms and be defeated. When Hamas decides to fire rockets into Israel and endanger her people Israel shoots back, making the point that such attacks are a very bad idea. Since the Arabs can't win and won't quit, they deserve no pity for they created the mess they lay in. The most sleazy participants in the Middle East are the nations and organizations who provide 'humanitarian relief' to the Palestinians. All they really do is sustain the Palestinians for more killing. One would think that the orgy of murderous encounters between the PLO and Hamas would have awakened a few people, but apparently not. Ironic isn't it? The peacemakers are sustaining unending slaughter. Quote Hall Monitor of the Shadowy Group
jbg Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 The most sleazy participants in the Middle East are the nations and organizations who provide 'humanitarian relief' to the Palestinians. All they really do is sustain the Palestinians for more killing. One would think that the orgy of murderous encounters between the PLO and Hamas would have awakened a few people, but apparently not. Ironic isn't it? The peacemakers are sustaining unending slaughter.Apparently, for these alleged "people" different rules apply. Quite literally, they have free reign from mass media, and the other opinion capitals of the world, to kill with abandon, while the Isrealis have to fight with one hand tied behind their backs.Sort of like the days of the Kisinev Pogrom, when Russian peasants (presumably harboring national ambitions) burst in through the open doors of Jews celebrating Passover and butchered them. The Russian police either did nothing, or joined in the festivities. The Jews were not free, obviously, to fight back or retaliate. I gather that's the position many want to put Israel in now. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 Israel should focus on preventing deaths from happening in the first place, they should not be killing purely out of revenge.So you support the wall? I doubt it.Absolutely...but thanks for pre-judging me anyhow.So you do oppose the wall? Or are you linguistically challenged? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WestViking Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 May 15, 1948 the combined armies of Egypt, Iraq, Jordan,Lebanon and Syria attacked Israel, who had declared independence less than 24 hours earlier. What has been forgotten was that prior to the invasion, Arab agents from neighbouring nations circulated through the new state of Israel telling Arabs resident there to flee to escape the carnage to be rained on the Israeli people. The Arabs from Israel were told to flee to the borders and await the Arab triumph so that they could return to take up the (former Israel) land as their own. The Arabs lost the 1948 war and eventually sued for peace, but that left the Arabs from Israeli lands adrift without a home. None of the nations who attacked Israel would give the Arabs they displaced a home, and they became the original "Palestinian" refugees - actually refugees from their own people. It suited Arab states who still held a delusion of eliminating Israel to have a camp of discontented people residing literally on Israel's borders and even better, people who could claim no state and hence any actions they undertook could not be blamed on their 'home state' as they had none. The final piece of the puzzle was to blame Israel for 'expelling' the Arabs, thus burying the actions of Arab agents prior to May 1948. Today, few people have the inclination to go back and study the history of Israel's creation or the response of the Arab world. When we look at the Middle East over the recent short term (one or two decades), it is impossible to understand the dynamics of interplay between states. Quote Hall Monitor of the Shadowy Group
jbg Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 The Arabs lost the 1948 war and eventually sued for peace, but that left the Arabs from Israeli lands adrift without a home. None of the nations who attacked Israel would give the Arabs they displaced a home, and they became the original "Palestinian" refugees - actually refugees from their own people.Actually Jordan did, and they wore out their welcome fast. Their attacks on Israel drew Israeli retaliation to Jordan. The ferocity of Jordan's expulsion of the "Palestinians" was alarming. It occurred during September 1970 and gave rise to the name of the terrorist group "Black September", the group that did the Lod Airport and Olympic Massacres in 1972.No one, of course, blames Jordan for the viciousness of their actions against their Palestinian "brethren". Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gc1765 Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 Your statistics are plain silly. You have no proof that the figures you cite are even remotely realistic. We don't see news reports of the bomb attacks, rocket attacks and sniper attacks that are commonplace in Israel. Next time, I suggest reading the post that I quoted to understand the context of my comments. My "statistics" were not meant to be accurate, they were meant to illustrate a point. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
gc1765 Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 So you support the wall? I doubt it.Absolutely...but thanks for pre-judging me anyhow.So you do oppose the wall? Or are you linguistically challenged? What on earth are you talking about? I just finished saying I support the wall. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jbg Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 What on earth are you talking about? I just finished saying I support the wall.At least that's good. I was having trouble following the rather awkward format here. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WestViking Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 Your statistics are plain silly. You have no proof that the figures you cite are even remotely realistic. We don't see news reports of the bomb attacks, rocket attacks and sniper attacks that are commonplace in Israel. Next time, I suggest reading the post that I quoted to understand the context of my comments. My "statistics" were not meant to be accurate, they were meant to illustrate a point. Wild exaggerations do not make a valid point. Quote Hall Monitor of the Shadowy Group
gc1765 Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 Wild exaggerations do not make a valid point. You can substitute any numbers you'd like, it makes no difference to my point. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
scribblet Posted May 3, 2007 Author Report Posted May 3, 2007 http://stevejanke.com/archives/225131.php If there's any truth to this then he's a gonner. I seem to remember a Liberal candidate in Markham who had a similar problem with degrees. Can't remember his name., Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Michael Bluth Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 http://stevejanke.com/archives/225131.php If there's any truth to this then he's a gonner. I seem to remember a Liberal candidate in Markham who had a similar problem with degrees. Can't remember his name., You are thinking of Jag Bhaduria. He was elected in Markham-Whitchurch-Stouffville in 1993. Very soon after he was elected he was elected it came to light that has LLB (Int.) didn't mean he had an international law degree, but he had passed the intermediate exam towards earning his law degree. wtf? Kicked out of Liberal caucus within six months of winning the election. Chak might try and explain that he has a PhD (ABD) i.e. all but dissertation. Very dishonest that he didn't make that distinction in his communications with PhD after his name. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
scribblet Posted May 3, 2007 Author Report Posted May 3, 2007 Jag Bhaduria that's it, I think there were membership sign up problems at the time also. From: ******************* <**************@durham.ac.uk> Sent: Thu May 03 06:31:18 2007 Subject: Re: Farhan Mujahid Chak Dear Sir, I write in response to your email requesting confirmation of the above named persons study at the University of Durham. I can confirm that he first started his studies from 1 October 2000 on a postgraduate(research) course leading to a PhD, however for the academic year 2006/07 he is not registered with the University in order to continue with this course. He certainly has not had this degree conferred, because he has not submitted his thesis yet and his name has not appeared on a pass list. www.smalldeadanimals.com Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
scribblet Posted May 4, 2007 Author Report Posted May 4, 2007 He's resigned http://www.recorder.ca/cp/National/070503/n0503146A.html talk about the pyjama's media having an effect. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Michael Bluth Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Please don't resign Chak. Please. Indeed! Looks like neither of us are going to be happy about Chak's resignation. Unless of course you changed your mind. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jbg Posted May 4, 2007 Report Posted May 4, 2007 Looks like neither of us are going to be happy about Chak's resignation. Unless of course you changed your mind. I was hoping he'd challenge Dion for leadership. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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