Tories Release Dire Forecast on Kyoto

[jdobbin]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070419/.../tories_climate

The Conservative government ran into skepticism Thursday as it released a major study predicting that compliance with the Kyoto Protocol would bring an economic apocalypse.

Even Quebec Environment Minister Line Beauchamp, whose government has been friendly to Ottawa, described the federal study as alarmist. "The assumptions of the scenario are extremely severe," she told a news conference.

The Environment Canada study says the Kyoto emissions-cutting targets for Canada could be met only by introducing a massive $195-per-tonne carbon tax, which would wipe out thousands of jobs and undercut Canadians' quality of life.

Has anyone read this report? Who wrote it? Could this trigger an election?

[Topaz]

Today, while Baird was on CTV's Duffy, I was surfing between CTV and CBC and another panel was on CBC and Don Newman, and they said that the report Baird put out was the cost at the HIGHEST and the cost could be lower depending how you wanted to go with it. The NDP asked Harper why the report that was made by ALL parties couldn't be tabled, talked about and then voted on. Harper avoided the question, as usual. I would like to hear what all the parties came up with and if it passed, then ALL are to blame if it didn't work out.

[hiti]

Baird is not taking into account the economic spin off on the manufacturing, buying and constructing emission controllers or retooling for lowering emissions. He is also ignoring the buying and selling of carbon.

An example given on Politics with Don Newman was..... it's like someone has contracted to build a basement and then makes the contractor use a spoon.

This report is full of hot air just like the Clean Air Act was. Make Jack Layton take it into committee and rework it so it reflects reality.

[cybercoma]

So let me get this straight...

When worst case scenarios are put forth by the IPCC, we're to accept those with open arms.

When a worst case scenario is put forth regarding the solution, we need to put the brakes on and examine things further.

I'm not quite sure I get it.

[jdobbin]

So let me get this straight...

When worst case scenarios are put forth by the IPCC, we're to accept those with open arms.

I'd just like to know who wrote the report and who will defend it beside the minister.

[Michael Bluth]

So let me get this straight...

When worst case scenarios are put forth by the IPCC, we're to accept those with open arms.

When a worst case scenario is put forth regarding the solution, we need to put the brakes on and examine things further.

I'm not quite sure I get it.

Neither does Layton. But this report dares to question Kyoto so it is automatically hogwash...

[cybercoma]

So let me get this straight...

When worst case scenarios are put forth by the IPCC, we're to accept those with open arms.

I'd just like to know who wrote the report and who will defend it beside the minister.

Regardless, if your point is that the report is nonsense because it forecasts a worst-case scenario, then the IPCC climate models that are quoted by most environmental groups are nonsense because they're also worst case scenario.

There's a place for worst-case projections on both sides of the issue, however, if you dismiss one side's, you should dismiss the other's. That's all I'm saying.

[Michael Bluth]

Regardless, if your point is that the report is nonsense because it forecasts a worst-case scenario, then the IPCC climate models that are quoted by most environmental groups are nonsense because they're also worst case scenario.

There's a place for worst-case projections on both sides of the issue, however, if you dismiss one side's, you should dismiss the other's. That's all I'm saying.

That isn't his point.

His point is to start another thread that tries to paint the Conservatives in as *dire* a manner as possible with dramatic language.

Then he backtracks and tries to correct himself.

Sad, sorry jdobbin. Why do you really start these threads?

If you honestly just wanted information your time would more efficiently be spent on Google.

[blueblood]

I find it hillarious that left wingers are accusing the tories of scare tactics when they themselves use scare tactics in promoting kyoto, bloody hypocrites.

On MDL, Baird spouted off names that gave him the evidence, the opposition guys were pulling stuff out of their ass, GOLD!!!

[cybercoma]

I find it hillarious that left wingers are accusing the tories of scare tactics when they themselves use scare tactics in promoting kyoto, bloody hypocrites.

On MDL, Baird spouted off names that gave him the evidence, the opposition guys were pulling stuff out of their ass, GOLD!!!

Neither is right.

[jdobbin]

Regardless, if your point is that the report is nonsense because it forecasts a worst-case scenario, then the IPCC climate models that are quoted by most environmental groups are nonsense because they're also worst case scenario.

There's a place for worst-case projections on both sides of the issue, however, if you dismiss one side's, you should dismiss the other's. That's all I'm saying.

I haven't dismissed it. I just want to hear who wrote the report and for them to defend the report.

[ScottSA]

The Conservatives are trying to add credence to the report, however, by also releasing an opinion from Toronto-Dominion Bank chief economist Don Drummond that effectively backs their findings.

“I believe the economic cost would be at least as deep as the recession in the early 1980s, and indeed that is the result your department's analysis shows,” Mr. Drummond writes in a letter to Mr. Baird obtained by The Globe and Mail.

The Tories are expected to unveil additional opinions by experts, whom they call “validators,” as they attempt to refute Bill C-288, a bill opposition parties pushed through the Commons in February.

It attempts to force the Harper government to meet Canada's targets under the Kyoto accord for reducing greenhouse-gas emissions.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

[Who's Doing What?]

So the country will collapse ecconomically according to the CPC.

The world will destroy us evironmentally according to most scientists.

Hmm.....A case of Give me Poverty, or Give me Death.

[ScottSA]

So the country will collapse ecconomically according to the CPC.

The world will destroy us evironmentally according to most scientists.

Hmm.....A case of Give me Poverty, or Give me Death.

Well actually, the only vaguely measurable case is the economic one. No one seriously believes that meeting Kyoto's goals with achieve anything, and most likely they will do the opposite. But even if we stopped ALL emmissions today, and even if manmade emmissions were 100 % responsible for GW, no one seriously thinks anything will change anyway. So the equation is more like 'give me poverty and a longer growing season or give me poverty and a longer growing season.

Kyoto is just like any other Liberal promise: swear up and down that it is essential for the survival of mankind and promise faithfully to impliment it, then once elected, blithely ignore it knowing full well that its implimentation is impossible. Which is of course why they ignored it before.

[Who's Doing What?]

Well actually, the only vaguely measurable case is the economic one. No one seriously believes that meeting Kyoto's goals with achieve anything, and most likely they will do the opposite. But even if we stopped ALL emmissions today, and even if manmade emmissions were 100 % responsible for GW, no one seriously thinks anything will change anyway. So the equation is more like 'give me poverty and a longer growing season or give me poverty and a longer growing season.

Uh huh. And just how many doctorates in the earth sciences do you have again?

[Michael Bluth]

Uh huh. And just how many doctorates in the earth sciences do you have again?

How is that adding to the debate hiti?

[Who's Doing What?]

Uh huh. And just how many doctorates in the earth sciences do you have again?

How is that adding to the debate hiti?

How is calling me hiti adding to the debate Ricki Bobbi?

[Michael Bluth]

How is calling me hiti adding to the debate Ricki Bobbi?

Exactly the same way calling me Ricki Bobbi is adding to the debate hiti.

[Who's Doing What?]

How is calling me hiti adding to the debate Ricki Bobbi?

Exactly the same way calling me Ricki Bobbi is adding to the debate hiti.

But you are Ricki Bobbi. I am simply addressing you by your former name. Hiti is not, nor never was, my user name.

[ScottSA]

Well actually, the only vaguely measurable case is the economic one. No one seriously believes that meeting Kyoto's goals with achieve anything, and most likely they will do the opposite. But even if we stopped ALL emmissions today, and even if manmade emmissions were 100 % responsible for GW, no one seriously thinks anything will change anyway. So the equation is more like 'give me poverty and a longer growing season or give me poverty and a longer growing season.

Uh huh. And just how many doctorates in the earth sciences do you have again?

I don't have any doctorates in earth science. I don't need one, I simply need to remember what everyone has said. Do you know of anyone who knows what they are talking about and claims that we can somehow reverse the warming trend, if indeed there is one? Do you know anyone who can explain how shuttling industry from pollution-regulated countries to unregulated countries is going to cut back on CO2?

[Michael Bluth]

But you are Ricki Bobbi. I am simply addressing you by your former name. Hiti is not, nor never was, my user name.

Hiti,

If you really insist on trying to pretend you are two different people I suggest you should log in with each screen name more frequently.

Long stretches with only one or the other logged in is the big give away that you do indeed have two screen names.

Just tryin' to help you...

Good night hiti.

[Who's Doing What?]

But you are Ricki Bobbi. I am simply addressing you by your former name. Hiti is not, nor never was, my user name.

Hiti,

If you really insist on trying to pretend you are two different people I suggest you should log in with each screen name more frequently.

Long stretches with only one or the other logged in is the big give away that you do indeed have two screen names.

Just tryin' to help you...

Good night hiti.

MAybe you should check the users at the bottom of the home page more often. Might stop you from making false accusations.

Good Night again, Ricki.

[Who's Doing What?]

I don't have any doctorates in earth science. I don't need one, I simply need to remember what everyone has said. Do you know of anyone who knows what they are talking about and claims that we can somehow reverse the warming trend, if indeed there is one? Do you know anyone who can explain how shuttling industry from pollution-regulated countries to unregulated countries is going to cut back on CO2?

Ya I remeber what a lot of people have said too. Most of them have degrees dealing with the earth sciences though.

The world will correct itself if given time. The bigger the correction it has to make the worse things are going to be for us.

Well if the rich lead the way in developing new technologies that are E friendly, eventually they will be able to sell them to the developing countries and there will be little to no need for regulation at all.

[hiti]

But you are Ricki Bobbi. I am simply addressing you by your former name. Hiti is not, nor never was, my user name.

Hiti,

If you really insist on trying to pretend you are two different people I suggest you should log in with each screen name more frequently.

Long stretches with only one or the other logged in is the big give away that you do indeed have two screen names.

Just tryin' to help you...

Good night hiti.

Just so you don't frustrate yourself in the next few days..... I am heading back to work tomorrow and probably won't be back here until next week..... if I have time. Or I might be able to squeeze in a few minutes just to see how you are holding up. That's why the long stretches. Work. You know... to get money, to pay for food and shelter and that sort of stuff. I only ever have logged on here under one name.

Later Michael or Ricki or whoever you are. Stay away from that koodaide. Nasty stuff.

Who's Doing What.... enjoy your posts.

[Who's Doing What?]

Who's Doing What.... enjoy your posts.

Why thank you hiti. Don't work too hard.

Hmmm..... Tinfoil hat time.

Am I really hiti just replying to myself to throw any suspicious posters off the trail?

Or maybe I am someone completely different. "Only the shadow knows."

Well him and Greg I guess.