Michael Bluth Posted June 8, 2007 Report Posted June 8, 2007 My personal feeling is that if a public official thinks it is necessary to spend taxpayer money, it should be available for all to see and that person should justify the expense. I think Harper used to call it transparency. So was he a liar then or is he a liar now?Neither times. Your argument is best described as transparent. This is boring. Good point Scott. Alas, the poster who is driving this thread is on a mission to discredit the Prime Minister. Never mind decency, fairness, or honest questions. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Fortunata Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Alas, the poster who is driving this thread is on a mission to discredit the Prime Minister. Never mind decency, fairness, or honest questions. Get over it already. It's fair play to criticize the government, especially if it is not one of your choice. It's not a hateocracy or whatever word you feel like using from one week to the next. This is a forum, where one should be free to be critical (if there weren't critics our democracy would be even more dictatorial than it is) without the constant attacks on being critical. Now back to the real topic, Steve is embarrassed at being caught out using a stylist is my opinion. He hoped it would go away; it didn't, and now he is embarrassed at where the funding is coming from. Better the people be critical because they don't know than be angry when they do know. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Get over it already. It's fair play to criticize the government, especially if it is not one of your choice. It's not a hateocracy or whatever word you feel like using from one week to the next. This is a forum, where one should be free to be critical (if there weren't critics our democracy would be even more dictatorial than it is) without the constant attacks on being critical. So is it fair to defend the Government? Is it fair reply to people? Even when they fabricate false claims of stalking? Now back to the real topic, Steve is embarrassed at being caught out using a stylist is my opinion. He hoped it would go away; it didn't, and now he is embarrassed at where the funding is coming from. Better the people be critical because they don't know than be angry when they do know. OK, back to the real topic. The Prime Minister is using his Member's Office Budget to pay the salary of Muntean. Don't think that is an embarassment at all. The issue has been dealt with. Get over it already. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
ScottSA Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Now back to the real topic, Steve is embarrassed at being caught out using a stylist is my opinion. He hoped it would go away; it didn't, and now he is embarrassed at where the funding is coming from. Better the people be critical because they don't know than be angry when they do know. Maybe he was embarrassed. Maybe he even got red-faced. He may even have been beet-faced. But even if he got third degree burns and the skin sloughed off his face into his lap, the burns would have healed by now. It's been like 2 months that this thread has trundled on, page after page, reiteration after reiteration...it's worse than the everlasting polynewbie thread about deathrays and missiles and Elvis Presley sightings. 'Tempest in a teapot' is an expression insufficient to describe the sheer inconsequence of of this alleged "issue." Liberals are scuttling from dungheap to dungheap with bags of cash, our troops are in a hot war in a global war, and you're talking about someone's barber bills. Quote
jdobbin Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Posted June 9, 2007 Now back to the real topic, Steve is embarrassed at being caught out using a stylist is my opinion. He hoped it would go away; it didn't, and now he is embarrassed at where the funding is coming from. Better the people be critical because they don't know than be angry when they do know. It is Harper's own prosecution of Manning for a hidden expense account and how he didn't think it was appropriate that party money be used to give the leader a makeover. Quote
jdobbin Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Posted June 9, 2007 'Tempest in a teapot' is an expression insufficient to describe the sheer inconsequence of of this alleged "issue." Liberals are scuttling from dungheap to dungheap with bags of cash, our troops are in a hot war in a global war, and you're talking about someone's barber bills. Enough of a tempest to plunge the Tories down from majority territory in the polls to where they are now. Guess people do care how their money is spent. Quote
Fortunata Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 It's been like 2 months that this thread has trundled on, page after page, reiteration after reiteration... Yet you choose to read and post on the subject. Don't you think that's a little strange for someone who doesn't think transparency should include a stylist/psychick's employment? Quote
ScottSA Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 'Tempest in a teapot' is an expression insufficient to describe the sheer inconsequence of of this alleged "issue." Liberals are scuttling from dungheap to dungheap with bags of cash, our troops are in a hot war in a global war, and you're talking about someone's barber bills. Enough of a tempest to plunge the Tories down from majority territory in the polls to where they are now. Guess people do care how their money is spent. Yes, I'm sure it's all about hair. Well, I guess that means he can stay in Afghanistan and maybe advance into Iraq, North Korea, and Iran, blowing vast quantities of CO2 out the exhaust pipes of Leopard tanks, and no one will notice because they are so very concerned with the state of his coif. God help us if he grows a beard. Quote
jdobbin Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Posted June 9, 2007 God help us if he grows a beard. They say men who grow a beard are not trusted. I'm surprised he didn't let it grow during the play-offs. He probably cost the Senators their victory. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 can you imagine the big deal this would have been if it was Martin or Chretien that did this? the CPC supporters on this board can't see it that way at all. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
gc1765 Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Alas, the poster who is driving this thread is on a mission to discredit the Prime Minister. Never mind decency, fairness, or honest questions. Perhaps you have an answer to his question in post #498: "So was he a liar then or is he a liar now?" Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 can you imagine the big deal this would have been if it was Martin or Chretien that did this? the CPC supporters on this board can't see it that way at all. They both admitted to using stylists. Dig up the threads that CPC supporters made a "big deal" out of it. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Posted June 9, 2007 can you imagine the big deal this would have been if it was Martin or Chretien that did this? They didn't have full time stylists paid for by taxpayer money like Harper has. Nor did Liberals say anything about Manning's clothing allowance. Harper did. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 They didn't have full time stylists paid for by taxpayer money like Harper has. I hope you didn't cut your fingers splitting such a fine hair. :lol: Is that what justifies more than 100 posts in this thread alone from you? Perhaps you have an answer to his question in post #498: "So was he a liar then or is he a liar now?" ScottSA said it best. Allow me to paraphrase. It was neither a fair nor an honest question. Such a false dichotomy was either a wilfull lie or symbolic of a deep-seated, irrational hatred. Which do you think it was? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Posted June 9, 2007 By all accounts the only time Liberals used a make-up artist was during TV debates. Harper has a stylist travel with him to meetings overseas. She is probably closeted away somewhere with him in Europe right now. Maybe he is getting some psychic advice on the side as well. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Again with the psychic angle? So much for any shred of honesty and truth. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Shakeyhands Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 well congratulations to the CPC for finally finding a way to weasel out of telling us how much something costs. If harper had any respect for any of us, he would tell us what she is costing us. I suppose thats just a pipe dream though. Its not the biggest deal in the world no, but it sure adds to the impression that this government cannot be trusted, and that apparently we are too stupid to be able to understand why he needs us to pay for a stylist. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Shakeyhands Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 So much for any shred of honesty and truth. you must be talking about the CPC here? it certainly fits the situation. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Michael Bluth Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 you must be talking about the CPC here? it certainly fits the situation. Muntean is paid out of Harper's Member's Office Budget. That's the honest truth. The lie was dobbin's talk of Muntean being employed to provide psychic advice. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jbg Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 This thread calls into question Harper's previous stance when it came to Preston Manning. I believe the word hypocrite is a appropriate. Lack of transparency is another.I somehow doubt that if Manning were PM you'd support him. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Who's Doing What? Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 This thread calls into question Harper's previous stance when it came to Preston Manning. I believe the word hypocrite is a appropriate. Lack of transparency is another.I somehow doubt that if Manning were PM you'd support him. Whether or not he would support him has no bearing on the situation. Harper attacked Manning over his stylist spending. Should he not be subject to similar scrutiny? Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Michael Bluth Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Harper attacked Manning over his stylist spending. Should he not be subject to similar scrutiny? Actually it was over Manning's clothing allowance. Kinda takes the legitimacy out of your argument when you get the basic facts wrong. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Posted June 9, 2007 I somehow doubt that if Manning were PM you'd support him. I have no idea what your point is. The Liberals never attacked Manning for a party allowance that was kept in secret. It was Harper. He said things like that should not happen. He said the party shouldn't pay for suits and that all party funding should be transparent. I believe it was Rex Murphy tonight on CBC who said that the Tories lack credibility. If Harper can't see the difference in having his make-up artist being paid for by taxpayer money and being coy about it, he just doesn't get it. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 If Harper can't see the difference in having his make-up artist being paid for by taxpayer money and being coy about it, he just doesn't get it. It's a dead issue. Nobody but the most rabid of those opposing Harper care. Nobody is changing their mind or their vote over this issue. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jbg Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 It's a dead issue. Nobody but the most rabid of those opposing Harper care.Nobody is changing their mind or their vote over this issue. It's a deep, important and profound philosophical issue. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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