Climate report shows 'highway to extinction': scientists

[jbg]

Scientists: Lake Superior warming rapidly

POSTED: 7:55 a.m. EDT, April 6, 2007

DULUTH, Minnesota (AP) -- Lake Superior has been warming even faster than the climate around it since the late 1970s because of reduced ice cover, according to a study by professors at the University of Minnesota Duluth.

Summer surface temperatures on the famously cold lake have increased about 4.5 degrees since 1979, compared with about a 2.7-degree increase in the region's annual average air temperature, the researchers found. The lake's "summer season" is now beginning about two weeks earlier than it did 27 years ago.

"It's a remarkably rapid rate of change," Jay Austin, an assistant professor with the university's Large Lakes Observatory and Department of Physics, told the Star Tribune newspaper. Austin co-authored the study with geology professor Steve Colman.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/04/06...g.ap/index.html

That becomes less impressive in view of the fact that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation ("PDO") has been in a "warm" phase from 1977 on and that phase is breaking towards a cool phase now. PDO determines the relative frequency and duration of El Ninos and La Ninas. El Ninos have a particularly strong warming and drying impact in the area of Lake Superior, and famously caused International Falls' "brown Christmas" of 1997. Thus the use of 1979 is a convenient way of tampering with figures by picking the end of the last cold cycle, and comparing it to the end of a warm cycle.

[B. Max]

Marx would have loved Kyoto.

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editori...256176286615104

The simple reality is that no nation can continue to grow economically without its emissions growing. It is also true that Kyoto is a recipe for global poverty. The annual loss for the U.S., according to the U.N.'s own figures, could be as high as 1.96% of GDP.

Today's $1.3 trillion economy would take a $260 billion hit every year — totaling more than $11 trillion by 2050.

[Canadian Blue]

So let me get this straight, climate change is just a ploy for the Marxists at the UN to turn the west into third world nations.

Wow, thats as crazy as believing 9/11 was committed by the banks to bring about world domination.

[Guthrie]

Once again we see wild claims and no evidence.

The final document will be the product of a United Nations network of 2,000 scientists as authors and reviewers, along with representatives of more than 120 governments as last-minute editors.

It will be the second volume of a four-volume authoritative assessment of Earth's climate being released this year. The last such effort was in 2001.

The following is from the Summary for Policymakers of the IPCC Climate Change Fourth Assessment Report

Link

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Current knowledge about observed impacts of climate change on the natural and human environment

A full consideration of observed climate change is provided in the IPCC Working Group I Fourth Assessment. This part of the Summary concerns the relationship between observed climate change and recent observed changes in the natural and human environment.

The statements presented here are based largely on data sets that cover the period since 1970. The number of studies of observed trends in the physical and biological environment and their relationship to regional climate changes has increased greatly since the Third Assessment in 2001. The quality of the data sets has also improved. There is, however, a notable lack of geographic balance in data and literature on observed changes, with marked scarcity in developing countries.

These studies have allowed a broader and more confident assessment of the relationship between observed warming and impacts than was made in the Third Assessment. That Assessment concluded that “there is high confidence3 that recent regional changes in temperature have had discernible impacts on many physical and biological systems”.

From the current Assessment we conclude the following. Observational evidence from all continents and most oceans shows that many natural systems are being affected by regional climate changes, particularly temperature increases.

With regard to changes in snow, ice and frozen ground (including permafrost)4, there is high confidence that

natural systems are affected. Examples are:

• enlargement and increased numbers of glacial lakes [1.3];

• increasing ground instability in permafrost regions, and rock avalanches in mountain regions [1.3];

• changes in some Arctic and Antarctic ecosystems, including those in sea-ice biomes, and also

predators high in the food chain [1.3, 4.4, 15.4].

1 For definitions, see Endbox 1.

= Table, B = Box and ES = Executive Summary.

3 See Endbox 2.

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in short, there are real measurable climate changes now occuring AND these changes are profoundly affecting life on Earth

[margrace]

I have a question. Is there a list of prominent sceintist in North America who believe in the environmental problem and a list of those who say it is something that would happen anyway and there is nothing we can do about it?

Just wondering

[B. Max]

in short, there are real measurable climate changes now occuring AND these changes are profoundly affecting life on Earth

The climate has alwyas been changing, but that is not even evidence of that and least of all, it is not evidence of man made global warming. It is however typical of the kind of nonsense we have come to expect from the corrupt UN.

[Argus]

in short, there are real measurable climate changes now occuring AND these changes are profoundly affecting life on Earth

Which was the case 100 years ago, and 1000 years ago, and 10,000 years ago. And will be the case 10,000 years from now.

So?

[Guthrie]

in short, there are real measurable climate changes now occuring AND these changes are profoundly affecting life on Earth

Which was the case 100 years ago, and 1000 years ago, and 10,000 years ago. And will be the case 10,000 years from now.

So?

Except it was NOT the case 100 nor 1000 nor 10,000 years ago

[B. Max]

Except it was NOT the case 100 nor 1000 nor 10,000 years ago

Ridiculous.

[ScottSA]

in short, there are real measurable climate changes now occuring AND these changes are profoundly affecting life on Earth

Which was the case 100 years ago, and 1000 years ago, and 10,000 years ago. And will be the case 10,000 years from now.

So?

Except it was NOT the case 100 nor 1000 nor 10,000 years ago

You have an amazing ability to ignore reality by just declaring that it doesn't exist. Do you similarly deny that the ice age occured and that perhaps it was once colder?

[B. Max]

So let me get this straight, climate change is just a ploy for the Marxists at the UN to turn the west into third world nations.

Wow, thats as crazy as believing 9/11 was committed by the banks to bring about world domination.

Our choice under Kyoto would be to destroy our economies or pay blackmail to the third world backwater failed marxist economies. It is not crazy it is simple math.

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists/Cor...04/3914710.html

[ScottSA]

So let me get this straight, climate change is just a ploy for the Marxists at the UN to turn the west into third world nations.

Wow, thats as crazy as believing 9/11 was committed by the banks to bring about world domination.

Our choice under Kyoto would be to destroy our economies or pay blackmail to the third world backwater failed marxist economies. It is not crazy it is simple math.

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists/Cor...04/3914710.html

Just ignore CB...he is in love with strawmen.

[Canadian Blue]

ScottSA, whats with this infatuation with me.

Either way, its funny to see how people view any scientific view of climate change as a part of some UN goal for Marxist domination of the world.

I'm not sure which one is more believable, the BBC or a columnist with a newspaper which prominently features the sunshine girl daily.

[B. Max]

ScottSA, whats with this infatuation with me.

Either way, its funny to see how people view any scientific view of climate change as a part of some UN goal for Marxist domination of the world.

The UN is a cesspool of communist corruption hell bent on one world government.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ZHGT3x...clnk&cd=1&gl=ca

[PolyNewbie]

Al Gore = Lying new world order scum The Dying Bears

[Canadian Blue]

The UN is a cesspool of communist corruption hell bent on one world government.

Isn't that one of polynewbies rants?

Hold on, I think I have something to compare...

Al Gore = Lying new world order scum The Dying Bears

[PolyNewbie]

Scientist On Climate Change

-says man cannot affect climate, its mostly the sun according to past data.

[Moonlight Graham]

Scientist On Climate Change

-says man cannot affect climate, its mostly the sun according to past data.

If we cant affect the climate then why is there a thick haze of smog smothering most major cities in North America & worldwide on hot days in the summer? (not to mention smaller surrounding cities affected as well?). This crap wasn't hanging around this way 100 years ago, & i dont remember smog warnings where i live when i was a kid.

I suppose you'll say smog is a natural phenomenon right? And holes in the ozone?

[newbie]

Scientist On Climate Change

-says man cannot affect climate, its mostly the sun according to past data.

He's a freaking Geologist for gawd's sake. Show me a consensus among Climatologists and you'll have something.

[Canadian Blue]

No, the smog is completely natural.

I'm guessing your in on the Marxist one world state takeover as well.

[B. Max]

Scientist On Climate Change

-says man cannot affect climate, its mostly the sun according to past data.

He's a freaking Geologist for gawd's sake. Show me a consensus among Climatologists and you'll have something.

Consensus is not science.

[B. Max]

No, the smog is completely natural.

I'm guessing your in on the Marxist one world state takeover as well.

So you've been seeing a lot of co2 have you.

[Argus]

You people just don't get it.

Compare our emissions reduction targets under Kyoto to - say, a factory closure. Our target is to reduce our emissions by, picking a number out of thin air - 5. Five. That represents closing one factory. One factory will no longer be belching greenhouse gases into the air. We'll spend tens of billions over many years to close down this one factory.

Yaayy! It's closed.

Meanwhile, China will open up 127 new factories this year, 145 next year, and 180 the year after that.

India will open up a bunch, so will Russia.

Big victory for reducing emissions.

[margrace]

ScottSA, whats with this infatuation with me.

Either way, its funny to see how people view any scientific view of climate change as a part of some UN goal for Marxist domination of the world.

The UN is a cesspool of communist corruption hell bent on one world government.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ZHGT3x...clnk&cd=1&gl=ca

And you think the US New World Order is any different????

[B. Max]

And you think the US New World Order is any different????

What US new world order.