Canuck E Stan Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 The proper procedure is for a person interested in the outcome of an investigation to not be in charge of the investigators. What Investigation? What Investigators? When was this all announced? Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
Michael Bluth Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 What Investigation? What Investigators? When was this all announced? Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 What Investigation? What Investigators? When was this all announced? Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Don't you think there should be an investigation? I mean, if he's innocent, don't you want his name cleared? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
geoffrey Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 gc, while I'd like to agree with you, we also can't be bending over at every claim. We'd see a constant procession of Public Safety ministers as each of them has some accusation leveled against them and then later dismissed in the investigation. It's the nature of politics. If every Minister stepped down when asked to, we'd have no one left to run the show. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Figleaf Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 The proper procedure is for a person interested in the outcome of an investigation to not be in charge of the investigators. What Investigation? What Investigators? When was this all announced? Have you been ignoring the news for the last couple of days? http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national...b0c6344&k=50098 If you are trying to hang your hat on the issue of whether an Investigation has been Announced, then you have no leg to stand on. The same conflict of interest applies to the decision to Announce the Investigation as applies to the Investigation itself. Quote
Figleaf Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 We'd see a constant procession of Public Safety ministers as each of them has some accusation leveled against them ... How many of them are going to have incriminating faxes about themselves lying around? Quote
gc1765 Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 gc, while I'd like to agree with you, we also can't be bending over at every claim.We'd see a constant procession of Public Safety ministers as each of them has some accusation leveled against them and then later dismissed in the investigation. It's the nature of politics. If every Minister stepped down when asked to, we'd have no one left to run the show. Depends. The Liberals say that the documents contain the following statement from Jim Hart: ""My resignation was contingent upon this negotiation". Interestingly, Jim Hart does not deny what he said. Assuming that the Liberals are not conspiring with Jim Hart to bring down the Conservatives, it seems pretty clear that his resignation was a dependent on (i.e. induced by) the compensation, in which case they broke the law. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 Have you been ignoring the news for the last couple of days? http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national...b0c6344&k=50098If you are trying to hang your hat on the issue of whether an Investigation has been Announced, then you have no leg to stand on. The same conflict of interest applies to the decision to Announce the Investigation as applies to the Investigation itself. Why post a link to a story five days after it first appeared? Could it be that this story has no legs and you are admitting as much? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
geoffrey Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 I disagree. I think the issue is whether the Leader of the Opposition's office paid any of the amount. The settlement is public knowledge, he was obviously paid out his remaining MP salary in compensation for giving his seat to Day. What else is there to this? The evidence that Harper's office paid Hart is pretty much non-existent. It shows in the CBC's coverage (or lack there off) of this breaking story. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Figleaf Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 Have you been ignoring the news for the last couple of days? http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national...b0c6344&k=50098If you are trying to hang your hat on the issue of whether an Investigation has been Announced, then you have no leg to stand on. The same conflict of interest applies to the decision to Announce the Investigation as applies to the Investigation itself. Why post a link to a story five days after it first appeared? Because the poster appeared to have been unaware of the issue, obviously. Could it be that this story has no legs and you are admitting as much? No legs! A fax shows up wherein the person who resigned to let Stockwell Day have his seat pretty much admits that he got a pay off, and you imagine the story has no legs? You wish. Quote
Figleaf Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 I think the issue is whether the Leader of the Opposition's office paid any of the amount. The settlement is public knowledge, he was obviously paid out his remaining MP salary in compensation for giving his seat to Day. What you are describing is a violation of the criminal code. Quote
geoffrey Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 I think the issue is whether the Leader of the Opposition's office paid any of the amount. The settlement is public knowledge, he was obviously paid out his remaining MP salary in compensation for giving his seat to Day.What you are describing is a violation of the criminal code. Obviously the RCMP disagrees. Present a private prosecution thingy against Day if you believe so strongly. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Michael Bluth Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 Because the poster appeared to have been unaware of the issue, obviously. Do you refer to yourself in the third person because you are a professional athlete? a celebrity? or just a little odd? No legs! A fax shows up wherein the person who resigned to let Stockwell Day have his seat pretty much admits that he got a pay off, and you imagine the story has no legs? You wish. Show me a story from today on the issue... Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Figleaf Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 I think the issue is whether the Leader of the Opposition's office paid any of the amount. The settlement is public knowledge, he was obviously paid out his remaining MP salary in compensation for giving his seat to Day.What you are describing is a violation of the criminal code. Obviously the RCMP disagrees. How on Earth is that obvious? Quote
geoffrey Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 How on Earth is that obvious? When they didn't charge anyone after the settlement? Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Michael Bluth Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 Obviously the RCMP disagrees. How on Earth is that obvious? Because the RCMP hasn't laid charges. Far more obvious than this. Why should I recite the obvious? If you want to make the effort -- The statute involved is the criminal code. It's available on the internet. Check out ss.119-123 or so. Read what the discovered documents say. Do explain this one... Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Figleaf Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 Obviously the RCMP disagrees. How on Earth is that obvious? Because the RCMP hasn't laid charges. Presumably they are investigating. Unless Stock has already given them orders not to. Quote
gc1765 Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 Show me a story from today on the issue... Come on Ricki, don't tell me you decide which stories are important or not based on how frequently the media reports them. P.S. Welcome back to the forum. For a while there I thought you were banned, but it's good to have you back. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jdobbin Posted March 28, 2007 Author Report Posted March 28, 2007 Come on Ricki, don't tell me you decide which stories are important or not based on how frequently the media reports them.P.S. Welcome back to the forum. For a while there I thought you were banned, but it's good to have you back. Same IP address? Or because both names come from TV characters? Or both from Calgary? Or one was banned and one joined? Quote
gc1765 Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 Same IP address? I don't know? But I know Ricki's posts when I see them. Why, is he denying he changed his name? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Figleaf Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 Same IP address? I don't know? But I know Ricki's posts when I see them. Why, is he denying he changed his name? Yeah, who else could he be. His style is ... inimitable. (Thank goodness.) Quote
gc1765 Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 Or because both names come from TV characters?Or both from Calgary? Or one was banned and one joined? Naahh, I could tell by the use of *this*, use of smilies (for a newbie who joined after smilies were gone), unwaivering support for the CPC, general writing style etc... Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Canuck E Stan Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 Presumably they are investigating. Unless Stock has already given them orders not to. So they have announced they are going to investigate? Ah, I can't seem to find any kind of confirmation about this presumption your talking about.Your saying the RCMP has accepted these documents as being worthy of an investigation and were going to start an investigation by investigators in the investigations department. I want to read all about Officer Doright making the announcement,where is it? Help me out here. Do you write fiction for a living? What else did Stockwell do? Was this all done in the dead of night behind the Parliament buildings? Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
jdobbin Posted March 28, 2007 Author Report Posted March 28, 2007 I don't know? But I know Ricki's posts when I see them. Why, is he denying he changed his name? I'm not sure. I've had him on ignore just as I had Ricki Bobbi on ignore. I wasn't aware that Ricki was banned. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 Same IP address?Or because both names come from TV characters? Or both from Calgary? Or one was banned and one joined? Interesting how you supposedly can't read my posts because you block my posts but you know enough to join in on the personal attacks. Do explain how that corresponds with your socialist beliefs? I'm not sure. I've had him on ignore just as I had Ricki Bobbi on ignore. I wasn't aware that Ricki was banned. But six minutes earlier you asked a question about theis Ricki bobbi being banned? Is it that tough for you to tell the truth about any issue? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
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