9/11

PolyNewbie · March 31, 2007

You have posted links to speculating presstitutes. It may seem impressive to you but its not worth even reading to me. I only read from experts & witnesses on 911, not speculation from corporate media whores.

PolyNewbie · March 31, 2007

PeterF: Of the ten or so conspirators in the know I canthink of two off the top of my head who definately had to be in on the conspiracy.

I expect that Rove, Rumsfeld, military planners, members of the CFR & Buiderbergs, Paul Martin, Chretien, + more knew what was comming. But all these people would know what would happen to them if they spilled the beans and they cannot hide.

The anthrax attacks that occured just before the vote on the Patriot act would remind them in case they forgot. In case you have forgotten that anthrax came from a US military installation - no one doubts this.

By ten or so people I mean 10 or so people that were directly involved in carrying out the actual attacks - putting bombs into place, etc. There would be another ten or so putting the guidance systems into the planes.

I wonder why no one is investigating the missing trillions. I haven't heard a single gatekeeper/apologist try and explain that one. What about the WMD lies ? What would it take for you to figure out that the government has gone criminal ?

Its only apologists that must take these discussions into speculation - into areas that they know absolutely nothing about. It means that you are only trying to increase confusion and not find truth. I stick to facts and expert opinions because the truth is obvious from that.

from the above link Identifying misinformation

second paragraph

"...ignores the fact that forensic specialists identified the crew and passengers of American Airlines flight 77 from remains found in the Pentagon"

Possible. I wonder why no videos of the plane that actually show something that looks like a plane and not a loaf of bread have been released.

third paragraph

"NIST concluded the towers collapsed because the impact of the plane crashes severed and damaged support columns and dislodged fireproofing insulation from the steel floor trusses and support columns, which allowed the fires to weaken them to the point where they bowed, buckled, and failed. It recently stated, in the WTC Towers Report (p. 12) on its Web site, that it found “no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition… .”

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Wrong again. The NIST report did not investigate the actual collapse of the towers. FEMA found evidence of sulfidization and also concluded that the official investigation had a "low probability of occurance". The melted steel and hot spots cannot be explained any other way except the presence of bombs. Lots of evidence for controlled demolition.

forth paragraph

"The book suggests that the 47-story World Trade Center 7 building, which also collapsed on September 11, was intentionally demolished, citing a comment by the property owner that he had decided to “pull it.” The property owner was referring to pulling a contingent of firefighters out of the building in order to save lives because it appeared unstable.

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There were no firefighters in wtc7 at the time so wrong again. If you believe "...pull it..." means "pull the firefighters then you may actually think George Bush is God.

fifth paragraph

"The book repeats long-standing rumors of insider trading based on alleged advance warnings of the attack. It ignores the conclusion in The 9/11 Commission Report that all trades that initially appeared suspicious were found to have innocuous causes, after an exhaustive investigation.

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Hmmm. How come the profits remain uncollected then ? San Francisco Chronicle

I haven't read any forther than this. Its like the movie Screw Loose Change - it starts with lies right at the very start.

Peter F · March 31, 2007

PolyNewbie Posted Today, 06:34 AM
PeterF: Of the ten or so conspirators in the know I canthink of two off the top of my head who definately had to be in on the conspiracy.

I expect that Rove, Rumsfeld, military planners, members of the CFR & Buiderbergs, Paul Martin, Chretien, + more knew what was comming.

...By ten or so people I mean 10 or so people that were directly involved in carrying out the actual attacks - putting bombs into place, etc. There would be another ten or so putting the guidance systems into the planes.

PolyNewbie Mar 24 2007, 01:57 PM
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...I've heard intelligence experts say maybe 8 - 12 people were in on it. Intelligence works on compartmentalization. Given that Dyyer is not an intelligence expert and he failed to consult any I think Dyyer is pretty much shown to be an idiot.

I've explained very plausibly that only 10 or so people would have to be aware of it all and explained exactly how that is and I am no intelligence expert althouygh I am much more intelligent than Dyer. No one has tried to say my explanation is impossible.

So wich is it Polly?

PolyNewbie · March 31, 2007

ten or so for demolitions, ten or fewer for guidance in the planes. Plus various politicians, CFR members, builderberg members & actual military/CIA planners.

Peter F · March 31, 2007

ten or so for demolitions, ten or fewer for guidance in the planes. Plus various politicians, CFR members, builderberg members & actual military/CIA planners.

So you renounce your March 24th statement that only 10 or so people were aware of it all? That your claim to have explained exactly how that is is no longer valid ? You agree it is impossible for only 10 or so people to be aware of the plot?

Have you got a round number at all? Have you even thought about it?

Remember we are limiting our discussion to the conspirators prior to 9/11...not including the people who became aware of the conspiracy after 9/11 and have been recruited to cover it up (wich would be another 10 or so folks I suppose)

Peter F · March 31, 2007

Identifying Misinformation

Thanks for the link.

and especially for: The 9/11 Truth Movement in Perspective.

Peter F · March 31, 2007

Double post - deleted

PolyNewbie · March 31, 2007

Peter, maybe I can get some advice for you.

I want to buy this car and everyone that works for the company, Fabian Illuminati USA, including its engineers say the model 911 is a good car. The problem is that 40 % of the customers say it doesn't even work. Independent engineers confirm what customers are saying in that the car isn't even supposed to run.

The manufacterer is known have have lied about its earlier WMD model (made in Iraq) and several other models have earned a bad reputation such as its earlier Oklahoma model. The WTC model brought out in 1993 was never meant to work and company members have been recorded on tape confirming this.

Fabian USA is known for stealing trillions of dollars from its customer base and refusing to even answering questions about it. The company is even known for sexual abuse of children in its company sponsored day care centers and for hiring mercenaries to fight foreign wars to get cheaper labour. Would you buy this car ?

stignasty · March 31, 2007

Logical Fallacy: Affirming the Consequent.

PolyNewbie · March 31, 2007

Nice try again Stignasty. Confusion is your best friend.

My arguement above goes to character.

Peter F · March 31, 2007

ten or so for demolitions, ten or fewer for guidance in the planes. Plus various politicians, CFR members, builderberg members & actual military/CIA planners.

So you renounce your March 24th statement that only 10 or so people were aware of it all? That your claim to have explained exactly how that is is no longer valid ? You agree it is impossible for only 10 or so people to be aware of the plot?

Have you got a round number at all? Have you even thought about it?

Remember we are limiting our discussion to the conspirators prior to 9/11...not including the people who became aware of the conspiracy after 9/11 and have been recruited to cover it up (wich would be another 10 or so folks I suppose)

One thing at a time, Polly. We'll get to wether you want to buy a car later

PolyNewbie · March 31, 2007

PeterF So you renounce your March 24th statement that only 10 or so people were aware of it all?

That was in the discussion about all the people that would be in on the actual conspiracy to wire the trade centers with explosives. I still agree with that being more likely than the apologists assumption of 10,000 people having to be on it.

It is speculation and you have to do lots of it to lend validity to the official conspiracy theory of bin Laden doing it from a cave in Afghanistan because he hates freedom.

PolyNewbie · March 31, 2007

Tom Cochranes "Lunatic Fringe" is playing on the radio and it reminded me of you sixteen percenters.

Peter F · March 31, 2007

PeterF So you renounce your March 24th statement that only 10 or so people were aware of it all?

That was in the discussion about all the people that would be in on the actual conspiracy to wire the trade centers with explosives. I still agree with that being more likely than the apologists assumption of 10,000 people having to be on it.

It is speculation and you have to do lots of it to lend validity to the official conspiracy theory of bin Laden doing it from a cave in Afghanistan because he hates freedom.

The part of Dwyers article in question:

What about all the calls that the passengers on Flight 93 made on

their phones? Their voices were cloned by the Los Alamos laboratories and

the calls to their relatives were faked. The FBI was in on it, the CIA was

in on it, the US Air Force was in on it (except, of course, those USAF

personnel who were killed at the Pentagon), and North American Aerospace

Defence Command was in on it (but they kept the Canadians in NORAD out of

the loop.)

The security companies guarding the World Trade Centre were in on

it, Mayor Rudy Giuliani was in on it, the Federal Aviation Administration

was in on it, NASA was in on it, and the Pentagon was in on it. At least

ten thousand people were in on it. They had to be, or it couldn't have

worked. And more than five years later, not one of them has talked.

You responded: March 24th

've heard intelligence experts say maybe 8 - 12 people were in on it. Intelligence works on compartmentalization. Given that Dyyer is not an intelligence expert and he failed to consult any I think Dyyer is pretty much shown to be an idiot.
I've explained very plausibly that only 10 or so people would have to be aware of it all and explained exactly how that is and I am no intelligence expert althouygh I am much more intelligent than Dyer. No one has tried to say my explanation is impossible.

So in response to Dwyers claim that ten thousand peaple were in on it (and clearly he is talking about the conspiracy in its entirety, not just setting deomo's), you say he's and idiot because you have already explained 'very plausibly' that only 10 or so people were aware of it all

Then, today you say that the 10 or so people you are referring to are just the ones required to set the demolitions.

You're a liar, Polly.

stignasty · March 31, 2007

You're a liar, Polly.

I disagree. I don't think Poly's a liar.

He wants so badly to believe that "9/11 was an inside job" that he'll neglect any information that counters his beliefs and continue to state things that have no merit. Delusional, but not a liar.

PolyNewbie · April 1, 2007

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth are constructing their site now ae911truth.org

PeterF You're a liar, Polly.

OK. Maybe it was 12 - maybe 20. It wasn't 1000 or 10,000. My name isn't 'Polly'.

He wants so badly to believe that "9/11 was an inside job" that he'll neglect any information that counters his beliefs

What information ? The 911 Omission Comission ?

PolyNewbie · April 2, 2007

Evidence Of Directed Energy Weapon used on 911

Steel turning to dust on video. This is really obvious and I wonder why it isn't discussed by people who talk about evidence all the time.

(Directed energy devices exist by the way. Flashlights, microwave ovens and horn tweeters on loudspeakers are all directed energy devices)

I don't normally discuss evidence because the case has already been proven by the expedient and organized collapse of the wtc towers but this is interesting.

stignasty · April 2, 2007

Before the 9/11 Conspiracies, There Was the Oklahoma Bombing

Much of the faulty logic and circumstancial evidence that justifies the 9/11 conspiracies are repeats of the theories that abounded in Timothy McVeigh's Oklahoma City bombing.

PolyNewbie · April 2, 2007

I guess if a presstitute says 911 wasn't an inside job we should believe them.

"Much of the faulty logic and circumstancial evidence that justifies the 9/11 conspiracies are repeats of the theories that abounded in Timothy McVeigh's Oklahoma City bombing. "

I wonder why they never explain this "faulty logic". What would be an example of faulty logic used in 911 truth ?

Peter F · April 2, 2007

I guess if a presstitute says 911 wasn't an inside job we should believe them.
"Much of the faulty logic and circumstancial evidence that justifies the 9/11 conspiracies are repeats of the theories that abounded in Timothy McVeigh's Oklahoma City bombing. "

I wonder why they never explain this "faulty logic". What would be an example of faulty logic used in 911 truth ?

It's like the movie 'Fifty First Dates' - every day is brand new and we must start all over again