Suddenly PM Harper Cares About Aids

margrace · February 24, 2007

Harper wants to rule Canada his way so bad that he will make any announcement that might make him votable. The proof is in the pudding and it will be interesting to see if any of his money ever goes to aids.

imatitlover · February 24, 2007

I'm not sure, what does Trevis Smith have to do with this topic?
Hold on, let me get this straight PM Harper hates gays and AIDS patients, hates them so much in fact that he gives $111 million dollars to AIDS research.

Gee,you make it sound like he is giving money out of his own pocket.( he had no problem handing 1 billion dollars of Canadian money over to American lumber companies eithere)

Harper didnt seem to want to pal up to Gates last year and attend the aids conference.

What does Smith have to do with it?

Just pointing out how people like you say aids is a self inflicted disease.

Try telling that to the 2 women this prick screwed without telling him he waqs HIV positive.

There are very few people anywhere,even the right wing bible,the Toronto Sun who arnt well aware Harpers sudden interest in the enviroment and now aids has got everything to do with votes and not concern

Exept maybe ome people who like to play soldier on internet forums

Canuck E Stan · February 24, 2007

Harper wants to rule Canada his way so bad that he will make any announcement that might make him votable. The proof is in the pudding and it will be interesting to see if any of his money ever goes to aids.

If he doesn't, I'm sure Gates could pull a "Bono".

Canadian Blue · February 24, 2007

Gee,you make it sound like he is giving money out of his own pocket.( he had no problem handing 1 billion dollars of Canadian money over to American lumber companies eithere)
Harper didnt seem to want to pal up to Gates last year and attend the aids conference.

No, it's government spending.

What does Smith have to do with it?
Just pointing out how people like you say aids is a self inflicted disease.

Try telling that to the 2 women this prick screwed without telling him he waqs HIV positive.

AIDS, well it is technically a preventable disease if you use safe sex. I'm not sure why your going after me, I don't have a problem with the funding for AIDS research, I'm not sure why you have an issue with it.

Yeah, and I believe Trevis Smith is in court over that. As well why would I feel sorry for thinking that giving money to AIDS research is a bad thing.

There are very few people anywhere,even the right wing bible,the Toronto Sun who arnt well aware Harpers sudden interest in the enviroment and now aids has got everything to do with votes and not concern

I thought the right wing bible was the National Post, and the left wing manifesto was the Toronto Star. Hold on so your mad that Harper is readjusting his government's priorities based on were Canadian's want the government to be.

Exept maybe ome people who like to play soldier on internet forums

What are you talking about???

Are you mad that somebody disagreed with you.

Harper wants to rule Canada his way so bad that he will make any announcement that might make him votable. The proof is in the pudding and it will be interesting to see if any of his money ever goes to aids.

So then Harper will rule by readjusting government priorities to be more inline with Canadian's priorities. Is their anything really wrong with that. As for the scary, scary, scary, line we are so routinely given, Harper want's back to back majorities, and he knows that he will have to placate the moderates in the Conservative party in order to stay PM.

imatitlover · February 25, 2007

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AIDS, well it is technically a preventable disease if you use safe sex. I'm not sure why your going after me, I don't have a problem with the funding for AIDS research, I'm not sure why you have an issue with it.

Yeah, and I believe Trevis Smith is in court over that. As well why would I feel sorry for thinking that giving money to AIDS research is a bad thing.

There are very few people anywhere,even the right wing bible,the Toronto Sun who arnt well aware

Shoving a needle into your arm is hardly considered a sex act.

Having somone brutally rape you is hardly cosidered a sex act.How do you practice safe sex while someone is forcing his dick into you?

As for Travis Smith.

It is quite clear reading your posts on this forum you have not a clue what is going on in the real world.

( playing with your plastic army men?)

Smith has had his trial,was convicted and is now in jail.

Meanwhile,the women who did not have safe sex with him,will live in fear that they may become HIV positive because this sleaze bag didnt tell them he had it.

But why would someone like you or Harper care

And yea,the Toronto Sun with that war monger Peter WARthington indeed is the right wing bible

Canadian Blue · February 25, 2007

Shoving a needle into your arm is hardly considered a sex act.

Yes their are a variety of ways to contract AIDS, and shoving a needle in your arm can be prevented.

Having somone brutally rape you is hardly cosidered a sex act.How do you practice safe sex while someone is forcing his dick into you?

I was talking about AIDS, and yes brutal rape is wrong. Just in case you think I support brutal rape for some inane reason.

As for Travis Smith.
It is quite clear reading your posts on this forum you have not a clue what is going on in the real world.

( playing with your plastic army men?)

Actually I do, which is why I don't make such inane comment's with no basis to them.

I don't need to play with plastic army men, I do the real thing...

Meanwhile,the women who did not have safe sex with him,will live in fear that they may become HIV positive because this sleaze bag didnt tell them he had it.
But why would someone like you or Harper care

Apparently we do care, because I support the new funding for AIDS research which Harper has brought forward.

What's wrong with supporting AIDS research, so let me get this straight since Harper supports AIDS research he must be supportive of people getting AIDS.

And yea,the Toronto Sun with that war monger Peter WARthington indeed is the right wing bible

I thought it was the National Post, and isn't the Toronto Star the left leaning publication in Canada. Either way what was the point of this comment.

geoffrey · February 25, 2007

Wonderful, we now have a brilliant compare to a disease that is killing millions around the world, and leaving millions of orphans, to skiing accidents.

Both are preventable by not engaging in high risk activity in nearly all cases.

Moreover, we are being told, those who are involved with skiing accidents are more important, than those who die from AIDS, or at the very least we should be more concerned about them than we are AIDS victims. (sarcasm in case some tried to twist it) Plus, if so many are dying from alpine accidents or need rescuing it can't really be that "healthy" eh?

Nah, not more important. Just equally important at least. If 1/3 of the people die from alpine accidents, then 1/3 of that money should be spent there, right?

Why fund AIDS research, because after all, it is self inflicted, and how dare those dirty promiscuous women, who are getting it from men, who either do not know they have it or are not disclosing they have it, want funding for research that would help them and the millions of others around the world recover/prevent a killer disease. (sarcastic for those who would try to twist words)

There are female condoms, and a woman can still stay no. With today's technology, there is really no 'it's the man's fault' anymore. Women need to take some responsibility too. If you have unprotected sex, your accepting the risks, just as I accept the risks by skiing in areas that may trigger avalanches. The cases from rape are a very small amount (if much at all) in Canada, about as much of a percentage I estimate of people caught in avalanches while driving on roads.

And it seems you overlooked, that any research would help others all over the world. But of course why help them because after all it is their own faults for getting AIDS too right?

Study into the causes and methods of prevention of avalanches and other alpine accidents would have effects worldwide too.

Of course, there is the obvious discrepancy, where geoffery says that, if we funded alpine rescue teams, and transmitter locaters, more lives would be saved, even though, according to stats, he presented, that show over 60 more die a year from AIDS, than deaths that occur from alpine accidents. I guess that those 36 that die a year from alpine accidents are = to the 93 who die from AIDS.

I'm not saying that the same amount should be spent, I'm saying 1/3 of that amount should logically be spent.

Canada, and the provinces/municipalities do subsidize SAR teams across Canada, and it costs about 30-40k for 1 rescue, incurred by taxpayers. It seems that, in fact, if one does the math, more money is already being outlayed for SAR than for AIDS. Talk about special interests group wanting more than their share.

Stats for that? Most SAR teams are volunteer and the equipment and time is provided by volunteers... in Canada. The US is different.

Maritime SAR is different, and applies to a completely different statisical set than the one I've provided. Their budget comes out of military and coast guard spending, and its pretty small.

Then there is the fact that those who take part in alpine sports, have enough money to pay for their own transmitters.

Those who have sex, have enough money to buy a condom... which are actually free at any public health clinic. Free to $400. Hmm. Bit different?

Say nothing of how much 1 SAR costs for 1 person. I know, better yet, let's save millions of dollars per year, lives, wildlife and the environment by ceasing alpine sporting activities altogether.

If we outlawed promiscuous sex it would save a far greater amount in Canada... fancy that. Then again, that's a completely unreasonable infringment on personal liberty, just like you telling me I can't go to the backcountry.

Do you know geoffery that over 50% of women who are in jail have histories of being physically and/or sexually abused by men? Do you know that most women are in jail for drug related charges or prostitution? Do you know there was a direct correlation between addictions and physical/sexual abuse by men against other males and females? Do you know that millions of women and children of dying from AIDS around the world because they were raped by infected males? Do you know that many more middle aged women are getting AIDS because it has been brought home by their life long partners?

Correlation doesn't equal causation. The middle aged women getting AIDS is a concern, but I think that's a reflection on a much bigger problem. They should be treated within the health care system at our expense like they already are, I have no issue with that.

Do you know that there are health care workers/dentists/paramedics infected with HIV because of on the job hazards, and that there are about 1000 of them per year in Canada?

Source? I don't believe it. Not 1000, maybe 20.

Yes, there are less deaths now, than there used to be, because of research, and even then you are not taking into consideration the billions in associated costs to the system for those that survive and have to live on cocktails of medicines for the rest of their lives.

Unfortunate indeed.

Over all, your compare and analysis was short sighted,and ill thought out, at the very least. I will not even say what the worst could be. Suffice it to say, you give a clear picture of what Harper and his apologists feel about AIDS

Nah, it really didn't. Again, I'm just highlight how out of proportion this AIDS funding is. 93 lives? Meh. More die of heart attacks daily, that $110 million could be spent to help educate people on how to live more healthy lives.

Again, I'm not saying that we shouldn't spend anything on AIDS, I'm just saying there are many other worth causes that are neglected, I just picked alpine accidents because it's my own little special interest and it's another example of a generally risk associated cost. I choose to face avalanche risk, just as someone that has unprotected sex chooses to face AIDS. I see alot of parallels there. We don't have a representative $40m research centre.

It's obvious that Harper is just buying votes, something I don't approve of. Especially when the money could save more lives elsewhere, like colon cancer screening or breast cancer awareness or heart disease prevention... something like that. AIDS kills a small chunk of people that almost all choose to face that risk.

geoffrey · February 25, 2007

Meanwhile,the women who did not have safe sex with him,will live in fear that they may become HIV positive because this sleaze bag didnt tell them he had it.

People that reckless shouldn't be having sex. Safe sex is a choice that these women didn't make. Obviously they believe that someone not saying they have AIDS clears them of any responsibility. I figure people that do, are asking for trouble.

Trevis was wrong in not saying something, and he deserves to go to jail for a long long time.

But there is something in civil law called contributory negligence, and if I was a judge looking at a lawsuit from one of these women if they got HIV, I'd seriously have to tell them, 'look, what he did was wrong, but you could have said no, and you could have used protection, you didn't.'

It's as much the woman's choice, especially with all the shit that's available today. No more excuses.

jefferiah · February 25, 2007

A few months ago PM Harper didnt give a hoot about the enviroment.
Now he acts like he will be the saviour of it.

Harper like most Conservatives always figured aids sufferers were nothing but a bunch of gays who got what they deserved.

Now suddenly he cares?

I am a Conservative and I dont think this, and as far as I know Harper has never said anything of the sort. It's nice of you to use your psychic abilities to read Harper's mind to tell the rest of us what he thinks.

If you are referring to the Aids conference that Harper missed (and was subsequently criticized for) you have to remember that he had a prior engagement with the First Nations people's of the North. I suppose had he missed that and went to the Aids conference there would have been just as much criticism from the Liberals. In fact was it not a Liberal who made political use of the conference itself in he speech he made criticizing Harper at that same conference. That is pretty despicable. Since it was an Aids conference not a Liberal rally.

Catchme · February 26, 2007

Bill Gates had an excellent interview with Evan Solomon today on Sunday, it should be on Newsworld again this eve for those who missed it.

Bill really goes into where the funding for this is going.

Condoms break geoffery, and the 1000 figure is in one of the links I posted actually. And I thought it may be higher, it seems people are using the universal precautions strigently.

SAR in Canada IS NOT completely volunteer.

Oh so you do not want your rights to acess the back woods restricted but you are in favour of restricting others rights in other areas heh?

Ascribing morality to sex is heinous. It is even more heinous to say; "your rsiky behaviour put you in this place suck it up and stop whining."

blueblood · February 26, 2007

Bill Gates had an excellent interview with Evan Solomon today on Sunday, it should be on Newsworld again this eve for those who missed it.
Bill really goes into where the funding for this is going.

Condoms break geoffery, and the 1000 figure is in one of the links I posted actually. And I thought it may be higher, it seems people are using the universal precautions strigently.

SAR in Canada IS NOT completely volunteer.

Oh so you do not want your rights to acess the back woods restricted but you are in favour of restricting others rights in other areas heh?

Ascribing morality to sex is heinous. It is even more heinous to say; "your rsiky behaviour put you in this place suck it up and stop whining."

When what goes on in the bedroom affects me as a taxpayer, we have a right to bitch. If someone has unprotected sex or shares needles with an AIDS person and goes into our public health system and my tax dollars are funding their stupid or selfish choice I wave the red flag. This selfish attitude is why Canada is becoming a second rate country.

geoffrey · February 26, 2007

Oh so you do not want your rights to acess the back woods restricted but you are in favour of restricting others rights in other areas heh?
Ascribing morality to sex is heinous. It is even more heinous to say; "your rsiky behaviour put you in this place suck it up and stop whining."

No, I believe that when people take unusual risks, they should accept the consequences of their actions. AIDS is preventable. If I wasn't paying for their treatment and all that, I could care less how they destroy themselves. But since I've got to pay, it becomes my business.

The State has no business in the bedrooms of the nation, including paying for the irresponsibility that occurs there.

guyser · February 26, 2007

When what goes on in the bedroom affects me as a taxpayer, we have a right to bitch. If someone has unprotected sex or shares needles with an AIDS person and goes into our public health system and my tax dollars are funding their stupid or selfish choice I wave the red flag. This selfish attitude is why Canada is becoming a second rate country.

Hey lets not stop there . Lets us expand your right to bitch.

Backwoods rescues

drunk driving

suicide victims

skydiving

mountain climbing

snowmobiling

toboganning

guyser · February 26, 2007

Oh so you do not want your rights to acess the back woods restricted but you are in favour of restricting others rights in other areas heh?

No, I believe that when people take unusual risks, they should accept the consequences of their actions. . But since I've got to pay, it becomes my business.

Cant have your cake and eat it too!

blueblood · February 26, 2007

When what goes on in the bedroom affects me as a taxpayer, we have a right to bitch. If someone has unprotected sex or shares needles with an AIDS person and goes into our public health system and my tax dollars are funding their stupid or selfish choice I wave the red flag. This selfish attitude is why Canada is becoming a second rate country.

Hey lets not stop there . Lets us expand your right to bitch.

Backwoods rescues

drunk driving

suicide victims

skydiving

mountain climbing

snowmobiling

toboganning

Wow most of those are constructive activities that make a person healthier. Are we supposed to live in a jar? Drunk driving yes, except the victims (not their fault). For a backwoods rescue I hope you have health insurance cuz your going to need it (ambulance services not covered under medicare). I see where your coming from and make a good point. I would take some of these case by case to be honest with you. For example with mountain climbing if you go when it's the middle of a snowstorm and get hurt then I think you should pay.

I am an avid snowmobiler myself, living in the country makes it much easier to own one. I wear a helmet, warm clothes, properly check sled over before going out, carry tools, spare belt, carry a cell phone and things like that. The point I'm making is that I'm choosing to do this activity, I'm going to take precautions. Having reckless sex and getting an STD/AIDS would be like me going snowmobiling without all of that and if something happens to me then well I'd be asking for it. Most of the people participating in these activities take necessary precautions, I'd wager that most of the people who get AIDS don't. That is my problem.

guyser · February 26, 2007

I am an avid snowmobiler myself, living in the country makes it much easier to own one. I wear a helmet, warm clothes, properly check sled over before going out, carry tools, spare belt, carry a cell phone and things like that. The point I'm making is that I'm choosing to do this activity, I'm going to take precautions. Having reckless sex and getting an STD/AIDS would be like me going snowmobiling without all of that and if something happens to me then well I'd be asking for it. Most of the people participating in these activities take necessary precautions, I'd wager that most of the people who get AIDS don't. That is my problem.

It would seem that you are cherry picking .

So being a snowmobiler , you very well know that many of your compadres do not take anything with them to ensure their survival. $2.99 ice picks to hang around the neck are almost never worn. You are also very aware of the problems of drunk driving while being on sleds. Reckless is reckless .

Aids can be transferred thru childbirth, blood transfer (not now tho) so lets not be sop cold as to turn away from those that need help.

blueblood · February 26, 2007

I am an avid snowmobiler myself, living in the country makes it much easier to own one. I wear a helmet, warm clothes, properly check sled over before going out, carry tools, spare belt, carry a cell phone and things like that. The point I'm making is that I'm choosing to do this activity, I'm going to take precautions. Having reckless sex and getting an STD/AIDS would be like me going snowmobiling without all of that and if something happens to me then well I'd be asking for it. Most of the people participating in these activities take necessary precautions, I'd wager that most of the people who get AIDS don't. That is my problem.

It would seem that you are cherry picking .

So being a snowmobiler , you very well know that many of your compadres do not take anything with them to ensure their survival. $2.99 ice picks to hang around the neck are almost never worn. You are also very aware of the problems of drunk driving while being on sleds. Reckless is reckless .

Aids can be transferred thru childbirth, blood transfer (not now tho) so lets not be sop cold as to turn away from those that need help.

I'd say sky diving is safer than snowmobiling, they take a LOT of precautions.

I'm fortunate to live in an area where thin ice isn't an issue. I haven't heard of a sled going under due to thin ice in my area. I usually don't go on ice anyway as my preference is deep powder, I check ice conditions before I go on ice (if I go on it). I used snowmobiles as an example, I am very aware of drunk sledding (they IMO shouldn't get public health service cost benefits as part of their punishment)

Your absoultely right in the fact of Aids through childbirth and regulated blood transfer, they can't help it and should get help. As far as the two hoores who got with the AIDS football player, I have no sympathy for them, they had an option.

stevoh · February 26, 2007

No, I believe that when people take unusual risks, they should accept the consequences of their actions. AIDS is preventable. If I wasn't paying for their treatment and all that, I could care less how they destroy themselves. But since I've got to pay, it becomes my business.

Your focus is too Canadian centric, we are finding a cure not just for afflicted Canadians, but all AIDS sufferers. Being a leader in researching and perhaps eventually curing a disease that is a world wide problem is great for Canada.

But that doesn't match the "what's in it for me" mentality of the average conservative, does it? As you say, the only way to get you to care about something is to make you pay for it.

sally · February 26, 2007

When what goes on in the bedroom affects me as a taxpayer, we have a right to bitch. If someone has unprotected sex or shares needles with an AIDS person and goes into our public health system and my tax dollars are funding their stupid or selfish choice I wave the red flag. This selfish attitude is why Canada is becoming a second rate country.

You are saying someone knowingly has unprotected sex with someone who has aids? Yes,you did.

My daughter had unprotected sex.She and her husband were trying to start a family.Unknown to them at the time he was HIV positive( another story).Now she also is HIV positive.

So go ahead and bitch.Go ahead and say it was her fault and she is stupid and selfish.

And that she is now a burden to taxpayers like you.

A$$hole

Catchme · February 26, 2007

When what goes on in the bedroom affects me as a taxpayer, we have a right to bitch. If someone has unprotected sex or shares needles with an AIDS person and goes into our public health system and my tax dollars are funding their stupid or selfish choice I wave the red flag. This selfish attitude is why Canada is becoming a second rate country.

Hey lets not stop there . Lets us expand your right to bitch.

Backwoods rescues

drunk driving

suicide victims

skydiving

mountain climbing

snowmobiling

toboganning

trans fat eaters

too much sugar eaters

too much alcohol drinkers

too much red meat eaters

the list could go on and on yet some people like to feel their addiction and actions of choice are superior to others.

It seems to be more of a case of low self esteem in regards to those who want into the bedrooms of others so they can feel superior. They are being intellectually dishonest with themselves because:

There should be no more morality ascribed to sex/addictions than anything thing else listed. In the case of pedeophilia or other sex crimes. Then it is not morality either but a crime.

blueblood · February 26, 2007

When what goes on in the bedroom affects me as a taxpayer, we have a right to bitch. If someone has unprotected sex or shares needles with an AIDS person and goes into our public health system and my tax dollars are funding their stupid or selfish choice I wave the red flag. This selfish attitude is why Canada is becoming a second rate country.

Hey lets not stop there . Lets us expand your right to bitch.

Backwoods rescues

drunk driving

suicide victims

skydiving

mountain climbing

snowmobiling

toboganning

trans fat eaters

too much sugar eaters

too much alcohol drinkers

too much red meat eaters

the list could go on and on yet some people like to feel their addiction and actions of choice are superior to others.

It seems to be more of a case of low self esteem in regards to those who want into the bedrooms of others so they can feel superior. They are being intellectually dishonest with themselves because:

There should be no more morality ascribed to sex/addictions than anything thing else listed. In the case of pedeophilia or other sex crimes. Then it is not morality either but a crime.

Don't worry about trans fat that's becoming illegal which means farmers like me are cashing in on that.

Red Meat is healthy for you, it gives protein and builds muscle providing its not processed and you exercise regularly. Problems related to sugar eating are because of laziness. If your reckless with anything it bites you in the ass.

I don't care if people have sex or not, but when they are so blatantly reckless with it to the point where it affects my tax dollars then I wave the red flag.

Geoffery makes the good point of

The State has no business in the bedrooms of the nation, including paying for the irresponsibility that occurs there.

sally · February 26, 2007

farmers like me are cashing in on that.

I don't care if people have sex or not, but when they are so blatantly reckless with it to the point where it affects my tax dollars then I wave the red flag.

Geoffery makes the good point of

The State has no business in the bedrooms of the nation,

Farmer like youare cashing in on a lot more than that.

You worry about tax dollars being spent on reckless behaviour but yet farmers like YOU have been getting who knows how many millions of tax dollars in the form of subsidies and demanding even MORE.Why?Because you are not capable of running your business properly.

I would like to see all farm subsidies stop right now.

As for Geoffery making a good point?

I think a man named Pierre made that same point 40 years ago

guyser · February 26, 2007

...they are so blatantly reckless with it to the point where it affects my tax dollars then I wave the red flag.
Geoffery makes the good point of

The State has no business in the bedrooms of the nation, including paying for the irresponsibility that occurs there.

Actually it is not a good point if you read any of the above posters. We pay for all sorts of things for people who did not think before doing.

It just seems that you want to be able to say no to paying for things you have no idea about, while other stuff you agree with gets paid. Again, cherry picking.

Here is one for you, since farm gas has reduced taxes payable versus what the rest of us pay, should you be in an accident you will receive less treatment than the regular paying person would. After all, reduced gas tax, reduced insurance bill , both of which got to pay for Provincial Health care.

After all.....it is affecting my tax dollars.

So...which is it?

guyser · February 26, 2007

You are saying someone knowingly has unprotected sex with someone who has aids? Yes,you did.
My daughter had unprotected sex.She and her husband were trying to start a family.Unknown to them at the time he was HIV positive( another story).Now she also is HIV positive.

So go ahead and bitch.Go ahead and say it was her fault and she is stupid and selfish.

And that she is now a burden to taxpayers like you.

Sally, sorry to hear of your daughters condition.

I seriously doubt that anyone on this forum would advocate your daughter being cut off from treatment under any premise . There will always be one who falls into the unknown as did your daughter. Most are speaking in larger terms than "one"

blueblood · February 26, 2007

...they are so blatantly reckless with it to the point where it affects my tax dollars then I wave the red flag.

Geoffery makes the good point of

The State has no business in the bedrooms of the nation, including paying for the irresponsibility that occurs there.

Actually it is not a good point if you read any of the above posters. We pay for all sorts of things for people who did not think before doing.

It just seems that you want to be able to say no to paying for things you have no idea about, while other stuff you agree with gets paid. Again, cherry picking.

Here is one for you, since farm gas has reduced taxes payable versus what the rest of us pay, should you be in an accident you will receive less treatment than the regular paying person would. After all, reduced gas tax, reduced insurance bill , both of which got to pay for Provincial Health care.

After all.....it is affecting my tax dollars.

So...which is it?

2000 acres of farmland +2 farmyards means I pay more in property tax than gas offsets. Plus paying autopac insurance on 15 different things more than makes up for it. Nice try.

I think and do precautions before my activities, why can't those who contract AIDS sexually do the same thing?

Hmm. I'm profitable and don't use bailouts. All our stuff we get from the feds is what we pay in GST and income tax, no loss to you guys.