jdobbin Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070130/...al/harper_kyoto It looks like a letter from Harper in 2002 shows how he feels about Kyoto. "Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations," says the letter, signed by Harper."Implementing Kyoto will cripple the oil and gas industry, which is essential to the economies of Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia . . . "Workers and consumers everywhere in Canada will lose. THERE ARE NO CANADIAN WINNERS UNDER THE KYOTO ACCORD." The NDP says Kyoto must be supported. Does this mean that Harper has to flip flop? Quote
Canuck E Stan Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070130/...al/harper_kyotoIt looks like a letter from Harper in 2002 shows how he feels about Kyoto. "Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations," says the letter, signed by Harper."Implementing Kyoto will cripple the oil and gas industry, which is essential to the economies of Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia . . . "Workers and consumers everywhere in Canada will lose. THERE ARE NO CANADIAN WINNERS UNDER THE KYOTO ACCORD." The NDP says Kyoto must be supported. Does this mean that Harper has to flip flop? Many Canadians feel the same way about Kyoto. How is buying $billions in credits from Russia going to do anything for the environment? But that's the Liberal way.....talk a lot, then buy your way out. Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
jdobbin Posted January 31, 2007 Author Report Posted January 31, 2007 Many Canadians feel the same way about Kyoto. How is buying $billions in credits from Russia going to do anything for the environment? But that's the Liberal way.....talk a lot, then buy your way out. So the Tories will reject the NDP's demand to stay in Kyoto and trigger an election in two weeks? Quote
B. Max Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 So the Tories will reject the NDP's demand to stay in Kyoto and trigger an election in two weeks? Lets hope so. Let the ndp and liberals campaign on destroying the economy and see how far they get. Quote
Canuck E Stan Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 So the Tories will reject the NDP's demand to stay in Kyoto and trigger an election in two weeks? If the NDP initiative with Kyoto sends one cent to buy credits somewhere else, the Canadian public won't like this kind of Kyoto, and totally reject the NDP and Kyoto. Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
jdobbin Posted January 31, 2007 Author Report Posted January 31, 2007 If the NDP initiative with Kyoto sends one cent to buy credits somewhere else, the Canadian public won't like this kind of Kyoto, and totally reject the NDP and Kyoto. So you're okay if the emissions target of Kyoto is met inside Canada without the credits then? Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 If the NDP initiative with Kyoto sends one cent to buy credits somewhere else, the Canadian public won't like this kind of Kyoto, and totally reject the NDP and Kyoto. So you're okay if the emissions target of Kyoto is met inside Canada without the credits then? How can the emissions targets be met, after ten years of Liberal inaction, without credits? Not possible without ruining our economy. Are you willing to give up your vehicle and keep your house 5 degrees colder, or warmer, depending on the season? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Canuck E Stan Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 If the NDP initiative with Kyoto sends one cent to buy credits somewhere else, the Canadian public won't like this kind of Kyoto, and totally reject the NDP and Kyoto. So you're okay if the emissions target of Kyoto is met inside Canada without the credits then? Call it what you like Kyoto,Toyoto or Bozo. I'm for cleaner air and cleaner water. Those things impact ,my life and my health and all Canadians. That's the important issue to be resolved and not some obscure less than 2% of a problem that's been blown out of proportion here in Canada. Cleaner Air and Cleaner Water First. Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
jdobbin Posted January 31, 2007 Author Report Posted January 31, 2007 Call it what you like Kyoto,Toyoto or Bozo.I'm for cleaner air and cleaner water. Those things impact ,my life and my health and all Canadians. That's the important issue to be resolved and not some obscure less than 2% of a problem that's been blown out of proportion here in Canada. Cleaner Air and Cleaner Water First. That's not what Kyoto is all about. It's about emissions and I think the NDP will have a problem if Kyoto emissions standards are not met. Quote
B. Max Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 That's not what Kyoto is all about. It's about emissions and I think the NDP will have a problem if Kyoto emissions standards are not met. Who cares, the ndp are irrelevant. Quote
jdobbin Posted January 31, 2007 Author Report Posted January 31, 2007 The Liberals hammered Harper on his letter today on global warming. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/harper_kyoto Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 The Liberals hammered Harper on his letter today on global warming.http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/harper_kyoto While they were getting hammered on Dion's flip flopping. Was he able to stay with the same thought for a whole day? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Saturn Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 That's not what Kyoto is all about. It's about emissions and I think the NDP will have a problem if Kyoto emissions standards are not met. Who cares, the ndp are irrelevant. The NDP are irrelevant in Conservative/Liberal heaven but in reality they hold the balance of power which gives them some relevance. Quote
Saturn Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Cleaner Air and Cleaner Water First. And how do you imagine this will happen without burning less coal and wasting less energy? People who claim that cleaning up the air and reducing GHG emissions will not be achieved by the same means are liars. You cannot clean up the air without reducing GHGs and vice-versa. Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 The Liberals hammered Harper on his letter today on global warming.http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/harper_kyoto Gotta love how Harper makes fun of Dion's dog. Now I understand where the CPCers around here get it from. Their party leader teaches them to ignore the message & attack the messenger. Or his dog. Or kids. Or education. Or anything to deflect focus away from the facts. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
blueblood Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 The Liberals hammered Harper on his letter today on global warming. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/harper_kyoto Gotta love how Harper makes fun of Dion's dog. Now I understand where the CPCers around here get it from. Their party leader teaches them to ignore the message & attack the messenger. Or his dog. Or kids. Or education. Or anything to deflect focus away from the facts. Oh come now we're not all that bad Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Gotta love how Harper makes fun of Dion's dog. Now I understand where the CPCers around here get it from. Their party leader teaches them to ignore the message & attack the messenger. Or his dog. Or kids. Or education. Or anything to deflect focus away from the facts. Oh come now we're not all that bad We have to be. It's coming from a self-professed person who is not a "blind partisan". If a true independent could say something like that it must be self-evident to all but the truly blind Conservative followers and the truth. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Catchme Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 The Liberals hammered Harper on his letter today on global warming. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/harper_kyoto Gotta love how Harper makes fun of Dion's dog. Now I understand where the CPCers around here get it from. Their party leader teaches them to ignore the message & attack the messenger. Or his dog. Or kids. Or education. Or anything to deflect focus away from the facts. I know disgusting isn't that a year into their alleged governing of Canada, and they have nothing to base anything positive on. And they are deflecting away from the fact they are doing NOTHING about the environment and their appalling Clean Air Act, except try to bury it in committee. Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Who's Doing What? Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 We have to be. It's coming from a self-professed person who is not a "blind partisan". If a true independent could say something like that it must be self-evident to all but the truly blind Conservative followers and the truth. You want to accuse me of it.... prove it . But you can't, because I'm not. But thanks for proving my point that CPCers attack the messenger not the message. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Who's Doing What? Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 The Liberals hammered Harper on his letter today on global warming. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/harper_kyoto Gotta love how Harper makes fun of Dion's dog. Now I understand where the CPCers around here get it from. Their party leader teaches them to ignore the message & attack the messenger. Or his dog. Or kids. Or education. Or anything to deflect focus away from the facts. Oh come now we're not all that bad True not all are are that bad. Ok I admit it not all CPCers ignore the message to attack the messenger. Would you be willing to admit not all Liberals are Corrupt. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Ricki Bobbi Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 I know disgusting isn't that a year into their alleged governing of Canada, and they have nothing to base anything positive on. And they are deflecting away from the fact they are doing NOTHING about the environment and their appalling Clean Air Act, except try to bury it in committee. I think you are more disgusted by how disciplined Harper has been in following the Chretien playbook to a T and the strong likelihood he will win Government again as a result. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
BubberMiley Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 Who cares, the ndp are irrelevant. Brilliant observation. Do you know what the term "balance of power" means? Do you know what happened when the NDP last had the "balance of power?" They managed to bring in a small "irrelevant" piece of legislation called the Canada Health Act. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
blueblood Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 I can see the NDP even gaining some seats, they can campaign on their accomplishments again. I can see if it's going to be a minority parliament again the NDP will benefit. If polls suggest majority, they will become irrelevant. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
BubberMiley Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 If they're truly effective, there won't even be an election for a few years. Harper should make Layton Minister of Environment and enjoy his majority. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Who's Doing What? Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 I think you are more disgusted by how disciplined Harper has been in following the Chretien playbook to a T and the strong likelihood he will win Government again as a result. I would think it would be conservatives who would be disgusted by Harper following anything Chretien, but whatever.... Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
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