tml12 Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 Tory attack ads begin tonight. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/tory_attack_ads It is good. Dion has flip-flopped so much in his almost two months as leader you gotta keep it fresh in people's minds. My favourite flip-flop was on his French citizenship. Can we view them online? So can't wait to be watching these after a couple of beers next week. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
Who's Doing What? Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 The Ad I saw wasn't too bad. It doesn't look good on Dion but it was a far cry from "Soldiers in the streets". Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
newbie Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 The Ad I saw wasn't too bad. It doesn't look good on Dion but it was a far cry from "Soldiers in the streets". I'm quite disappointed in Harper. Where is the return to decent, moral government? It just proves he has lowered himself to the type of gutter politics that I thought he vowed to clean up. I don't let the Libs off the hook either. That "soldier" thing was terrible. Ah well, politics as usual I guess. Quote
jbg Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 I'm quite disappointed in Harper. Where is the return to decent, moral government? It just proves he has lowered himself to the type of gutter politics that I thought he vowed to clean up. I don't let the Libs off the hook either. That "soldier" thing was terrible. Ah well, politics as usual I guess. This doesn't come close to the gutter. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jdobbin Posted January 29, 2007 Author Report Posted January 29, 2007 I'm quite disappointed in Harper. Where is the return to decent, moral government? It just proves he has lowered himself to the type of gutter politics that I thought he vowed to clean up. I don't let the Libs off the hook either. That "soldier" thing was terrible. Ah well, politics as usual I guess. The Conservatives were able to make a lot of mileage off of the Liberal negative campaign. It is disappointing that even before an election that the Tories are running election ads and going negative from the start. They can't really point to doing things much differently. Quote
newbie Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 This doesn't come close to the gutter. Maybe, but why waste time on this to begin with? Has an election been called that I'm not aware of? Quote
jdobbin Posted January 29, 2007 Author Report Posted January 29, 2007 This doesn't come close to the gutter. But it is the behaviour the Tories used to accuse the Liberals of. Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 This doesn't come close to the gutter. But it is the behaviour the Tories used to accuse the Liberals of. Time for the new CPC catch phrase: "But we're not as bad as the Liberals." Which in all honesty, it isn't nearly as bad as the Liberal ads from the last election. However, I like how they ran a campaign on ethics and then expect not to be held to a higher standard. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
tml12 Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 This doesn't come close to the gutter. But it is the behaviour the Tories used to accuse the Liberals of. NO! The Liberals played the *scary* *scary* *scary* card with Day and Harper. Now the CPC is only reminding Canadians of how it was under the Liberals when they controlled the rhetoric and did nothing in reality. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 NO! The Liberals played the *scary* *scary* *scary* card with Day and Harper. Now the CPC is only reminding Canadians of how it was under the Liberals when they controlled the rhetoric and did nothing in reality. Exactly. After 13 years of Liberal rule because the conservative minded parties took the morale high road, the CPC should not use ads that point out prolems with their opponents? Why even have elections? Let's just name the Liberals dictators for life? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 I'm quite disappointed in Harper. Where is the return to decent, moral government? Are you calling the ads indecent and immoral? A little bit of histrionics me thinks... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
jdobbin Posted January 29, 2007 Author Report Posted January 29, 2007 NO! The Liberals played the *scary* *scary* *scary* card with Day and Harper. Now the CPC is only reminding Canadians of how it was under the Liberals when they controlled the rhetoric and did nothing in reality. Justify it any way you want. It is a negative ad and the Tories used to hammer the Liberals on their *scary* *scary* *scary* ads. Hypocrites. The Tories don't really do anything different, do they? They have people cross the floor to sit as ministers for them and they appoint people to the Senate and cabinet even though they won't stand for election. What exactly did they say they wouldn't do? Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 Justify it any way you want. It is a negative ad and the Tories used to hammer the Liberals on their *scary* *scary* *scary* ads. Hypocrites.The Tories don't really do anything different, do they? They have people cross the floor to sit as ministers for them and they appoint people to the Senate and cabinet even though they won't stand for election. What exactly did they say they wouldn't do? They wouldn't give $1.14 million to their *friends* through the sponsorship program. They haven't. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
BubberMiley Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 "Let's not go back" sounds way too desperate for a governing party. There isn't even an election on. The average voter will wonder why they feel so threatened and insecure, and think there must be some unspoken reason why they should want to go back. In terms of its negativity, I don't think that works very well in Canada either, so ultimately they're not getting very good value for their advertising dollar. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
jdobbin Posted January 29, 2007 Author Report Posted January 29, 2007 "Let's not go back" sounds way too desperate for a governing party. There isn't even an election on. The average voter will wonder why they feel so threatened and insecure, and think there must be some unspoken reason why they should want to go back. In terms of its negativity, I don't think that works very well in Canada either, so ultimately they're not getting very good value for their advertising dollar. I wonder how many ads it buys. Given how many Canadians don't have Canadian TV, you might be right that it won't be the best money spent. I can walk down pretty much every street in town and see DirectTV satellite dishes. Quote
tml12 Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 Justify it any way you want. It is a negative ad and the Tories used to hammer the Liberals on their *scary* *scary* *scary* ads. Hypocrites.The Tories don't really do anything different, do they? They have people cross the floor to sit as ministers for them and they appoint people to the Senate and cabinet even though they won't stand for election. What exactly did they say they wouldn't do? They wouldn't give $1.14 million to their *friends* through the sponsorship program. They haven't. I was just going to respond like that and then I saw your response. jdobbin, I am not saying I agree 100% with all the things Harper has done since last January but seriously, you've got to be at the very least bit happy that the corrupt/do-nothing Liberals are not in power anymore. Harper has made mistakes but he has so for not demonstrated that he deserves anything less than a majority government. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
Argus Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 IF there's one thing the Cons love to do is blaming the Libs for all the problems of the government. Gee, you don't think it's because they were in power the last 13 years, do you? When the government goes back to work you see the "court jester" the "NEW" environment minister Baird, make jokes and blame the Libs for the environment. And you find this unfair? The Liberals signed the Kyoto accord and basked in the limelight, but in the 13 years which followed they never bothered to develop any policy or program to live up to their signed agreement. The result is, as we all know, that it is utterly impossible to get anywhere near meeting the lofty goals the Liberals signed off on. You're saying that it's wrong to blame the Liberals for that? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 Dion and the Liberals will get a free pass from the Liberal-backed (and taxpayer-funded) CBC/Toronto Star/Globe and Mail establishment so I think it's necessary for Harper to take his case to the people. Bullshit. The Globe and Mail endorsed Harper as their candidate of choice in the last election. Harper will yet again get the endorsement of the Jewish CanWest/GlobeMedia for his support of Israel. You really hate Jews, don't you? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 Indeed, all the big newspapers endorsed Harper (except The Star). CanWest's owners (David Asper) even went on the campaign trail with Harper. All the Jewish media (except the CBC and the Star) endorsed Harper for his pro-Israeli stance (and the GST cut which would be beneficial to media corporations unlike Martin's personal income tax cut). The Jewish media came out with headlines like "Why You Should Vote Conservative" the weekend before the election and then they go after the CBC for not being biased enough. Even Larry Zolf on the CBC went from criticizing Harper for his many acts of hypocrisy to nearly worshiping him after Harper's government became the first to openly support Israel against the Palestinians. And then you wonder why MacKay meets with all foreign ministers on his Middle East trip except the Palestinian minister, whom he openly snubs. It's a very mutually beneficial relationship the Conservatives have with the Jewish media. The Conservatives support the Jewish position and the media, lead by CanWest, get to ask all the questions at Harper's press conferences and endorse him between and during election campaigns. Wow. I find the comments above extremely distasteful. Is this sort of overt bigotry normally tolerated here? Or is everybody except me a victim of Zionist Mind Control? Saturn is an ultra leftist, so to his mind it is impossible for him to be a bigot. Obviously, he doesn't like Jews, but he'll probably tell you he's being very reasonable in that, and not a bigot at all. Probably some of his best friends are Jews, right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 And where, exactly, is the $400,000+ for Super Bowl advertising going to come from? Old ladies who donated to the CPC hoping for a ban on gay marriage. Better than twelve year olds for Volpe. At least when twelve year olds "donate" to Bill Graham, he gives them services in return. I think it's the twelve year olds who perform the service, actually. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 The Ad I saw wasn't too bad. It doesn't look good on Dion but it was a far cry from "Soldiers in the streets". I'm quite disappointed in Harper. Where is the return to decent, moral government? It just proves he has lowered himself to the type of gutter politics that I thought he vowed to clean up. I don't let the Libs off the hook either. That "soldier" thing was terrible. Ah well, politics as usual I guess. It's an unfortunate truth of politics. If your opponent throws mud at you and you don't reply, you lose. People can make all the noise they like about wanting high minded politics, but good negative ads work every time. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 I'm quite disappointed in Harper. Where is the return to decent, moral government? It just proves he has lowered himself to the type of gutter politics that I thought he vowed to clean up. I don't let the Libs off the hook either. That "soldier" thing was terrible. Ah well, politics as usual I guess. The Conservatives were able to make a lot of mileage off of the Liberal negative campaign. It is disappointing that even before an election that the Tories are running election ads and going negative from the start. They can't really point to doing things much differently. I think there's a difference between pointing out your opposition's dishonesty and hypocrisy, and trying to insinuate your opposition is evil and has evil plans to destroy health care, social welfare programs, education, etc., not to mention to bow before the evil Americans. Paul Martin's last ditch appeal to anti-Americanism in the last campaign was one of the more disgusting tactics I've witnessed of late. After all his bluster about wanting to improve relations with the Americans he goes on a ridiculous anti-American tangent on the environment and security, trying to link Harper to Bush. Then it turned out the Americans were actually doing twice as good on the environment as his shitty government had. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 NO! The Liberals played the *scary* *scary* *scary* card with Day and Harper. Now the CPC is only reminding Canadians of how it was under the Liberals when they controlled the rhetoric and did nothing in reality. Justify it any way you want. It is a negative ad and the Tories used to hammer the Liberals on their *scary* *scary* *scary* ads. Hypocrites. The Tories don't really do anything different, do they? They have people cross the floor to sit as ministers for them and they appoint people to the Senate and cabinet even though they won't stand for election. What exactly did they say they wouldn't do? Steal our money and line their pockets like the Liberals did? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted January 29, 2007 Author Report Posted January 29, 2007 jdobbin, I am not saying I agree 100% with all the things Harper has done since last January but seriously, you've got to be at the very least bit happy that the corrupt/do-nothing Liberals are not in power anymore. Harper has made mistakes but he has so for not demonstrated that he deserves anything less than a majority government. I was happy that Chretien left office and disappointed that Martin did not perform very well in government. I've seen nothing to indicate that Harper should get a majority. His approach to the Wheat Board and doing the exact same things he criticized the Liberals for really doesn't merit him a majority. Quote
jdobbin Posted January 29, 2007 Author Report Posted January 29, 2007 Steal our money and line their pockets like the Liberals did? Stealing contracts from western Canada and giving them to Quebec like the Tories did and are about to do again? Quote
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