Banker/Wall Street Governance

[Jenna]

oh and one more thing about the explosions

why were they happening below the floors that had been hit?

firefighters claim that there was no fire going up the stairs, onlny blocking them from going back down

and you can SEE explosions and smoke rising from the bottoms of the towers

i know im right, and so is polynewbie

[Riverwind]

Jeez, its not that I want to get in the camp with our resident conspirators, but this steel burning is part of the problem with the findings. It seems there "would not be enough" heat to melt it like the commission says, but other factors had to be at work.

Here is a link that might help:

As the critical temperature for steel is around 540°C (give or take, depending on whose country's test standards one reads at the time), and design basis fires reach this temperature within a few minutes, structural steel requires external insulation in order to prevent the steel from absorbing enough energy to reach this temperature. First, steel expands, when heated, and once enough energy has been absorbed, it softens and loses its structural integrity.

IOW: steel that bends is a pretty common occurance in large fires in steel building. However, the fire protection system (insulation, sprinkers) can usually protect the critical supports until the fire is put out. In this case of the WTC, the plane physically damaged many of the supports and knocked off the fire protections.

[PolyNewbie]

guyser:What does Cheney have to do with this?

Its a big free for all and he is in on it.

Jenna, I think some people are determined not_to_get_it.

Did you listen to Tim Rifat on Rense ?

[Riverwind]

oh and one more thing about the explosions

why were they happening below the floors that had been hit?

The 'explosions' were floors being crushed as the top of the building fell onto them. The collapse started at the point of impact so the first floors to be crushed would be the floors below.

[PolyNewbie]

Riverwind:Normal hydrocarbon fires from carpets and office equipment can heat steel enough to cause it to weaken.

It didn't in 1975 wtc fire. No damage and the fires burned much longer.

[Riverwind]

It didn't in 1975 wtc fire. No damage and the fires burned much longer.

There you go again - completely ignoring facts that have already be stated numerous times. The structural damage caused by the plane ripped out some of the supports, damaged others an exposed some to flames that would have normally been protected by insulation. These factors combined with the fires to trigger the collapse. The fire in 1975 was just a fire.

[Jenna]

polynew yes i did listen, and im glad you did as well

seems like a lot of people around here get their information from cnn and only cnn

[Jenna]

haha ripped out supports eh?

have you ever seen a diagram of those supports?

i feel like im trying to convince a bunch of pre programmed robots into believing reality

its like you just deny anything presented to you by default, without a thought

try considering it first, as we have had to do

unfortunately, what we were told was a pack of lies, that make no sense whatsoever, and we have now been forced into finding the truth for ourselves

[Riverwind]

haha ripped out supports eh?

have you ever seen a diagram of those supports?

Are you are saying that a 200 tonne plane slammed into a building and did not damage any of the supports in any way?

[Jenna]

it hit one corner

3 corners were unharmed

theres tapes of firefighters saying that they had gotten all fires under control

fema's theory was that the floors burned and then fell on top of eachother

at free fall speed.

lol.

why was they concrete turned into dust?

why did the tops of the towers eplode, and then collapse

the planes had hit well below the explosion sites

and well above the explosion sites at the bottom

the people who built the towers said "they just dont make them as strong as the twin towers"

and yet both collapse practically in sync with eachother, and then we find out that the remanants from the wtc 7 explosives is the exact same as the remants found at the towers

also, employees were given a bunch of days off the week prior, due to "engineers" doing work in the buildings

maybe theyre lying though

damn conspiracy theorists

[Charles Anthony]

I don't think you will find many people who want to repost the same arguments.

I wonder....

polynewbie, i am so completely on the same page as you are.

i have so much to say about this, that i dont even know where to begin.

I know where you two can begin: use the PM function.

[Jenna]

im sorry, but did the forum facilitator just suggest that we not post on the boards, but keep it in pm form?

i assume its because you only welcome specfic opinions?

i understand, and am not surprised in the least

lol @ freedom of speech

what a joke

[PolyNewbie]

These theories scare people because they know we are right. If I was claiming to be Jesus Christ I would get ignored. Truth attracts people, even though they are afraid of it.

[Charles Anthony]

im sorry, but did the forum facilitator just suggest that we not post on the boards, but keep it in pm form?

i assume its because you only welcome specfic opinions?

Forgive me. I was out of line. I was just trying to be funny.

Ignore me.

[guyser]

If I was claiming to be Jesus Christ I would get ignored. Truth attracts people, even though they are afraid of it.

Naw...just stoned.

So, what attracts you ? Can't be the truth.

[guyser]

guyser:What does Cheney have to do with this?

Its a big free for all and he is in on it.

Cheney and Silverstein are in on the same free for all ? One a private developer and the other the VP of the USA and former Chairman of Halliburton?

Where is the connection? Silverstein send Chaney some fo the $2B ? Yea....like a NY developer is going to do that.

[PolyNewbie]

Jean Poutine:Further, what the Canadian Action Party isn't telling you is that they are arguing for Keynesian economics.

Not true. First of all CAP wants the government to borrow money from BOC instead of private banks and that doesn't change economic policy in any way except to reduce taxes greatly.

They are not argueing Keynesian economics. The economics that they are suggesting is a lot more complex the Keynesian ecomics but CAP wants to manage the economy for the Canadian people instead of to the benefit of private bankers. To do this requires some changes in thinking about economics.

One of the more important aspects of CAP policy is inflation, they do not believe that a simple inflation reduction or constant price economy represents the economy in real terms. In reality things do (could) get better with time (instead of worse) and that should be reflected in the prices.

The globalists are distorting philosophy and economics via UNESCO for their own purposes. There are many people in society that are nihilists. To be a nihilist you essentially just use the reptilian part of your brain and set all ethics aside "its a jungle out there". The Mechevelian and Straussion politics that are being taught are just being taught to divide society so that it can be conquered so that it can be taken over by the globalists.

[Jenna]

haha

can you say new world order?

its kind of funny, i actually heard lou dobbs and keith olberman both addressing the subject

couple of moron conspiracy theorists right there

how dare lou dobbs be angry about the pretend elite thats in full control of us

what a pack of losers we are

who the hell would believe that people in vast power would lie to us?

we are way outta line eh

[Riverwind]

Truth attracts people, even though they are afraid of it.

Jehovah Witnesses attract people - does that mean they speak the 'truth'. I would probably end up arguing with a Jehovah Witnesses if one showed up claiming that we must repent or be condemned to hell. In fact, I see little difference between a 9/11 truthie and any other religious fanatic. You worship your prophets (and quote the sacred texts (the blessed websites) over and over again. You continue to argue your point long after it has been ripped to shreds.

[PolyNewbie]

guyser:Cheney and Silverstein are in on the same free for all ?

Cheney is in the Iraq/Haliburton free for all. Silverstein was in the 911 free for all. I don't know who got the 2.3 billion from the Pentagon announced on Sept 10 2001 (Rumsfeld/CNN) but it must be some other group that is part of the same free for all.

I guess its just another strange 911 coincidence that all the investigators looking for the 2.3 trillion were in the section of the Pentagon that got hit and all of them died but one.

You can only be a coincidence theorist for so long.

[PolyNewbie]

Riverwind: How is it that you know so much about money and banking ? From which source did you receive all of this wonderful wisdom ?

[Riverwind]

Riverwind: How is it that you know so much about money and banking ? From which source did you receive all of this wonderful wisdom ?

There you go again - evading the real issue. My explaination is rational and logical. If you disagree then you must present a counter argument that demonstrates what is missing or omitted from my explaination. The fact that you refuse to offer such a counter argument clearly indicates that you do not have one. Mostly likely because my explaination is correct.

[Jenna]

cnn told him

[guyser]

guyser:Cheney and Silverstein are in on the same free for all ?

Cheney is in the Iraq/Haliburton free for all. Silverstein was in the 911 free for all. I don't know who got the 2.3 billion from the Pentagon announced on Sept 10 2001 (Rumsfeld/CNN) but it must be some other group that is part of the same free for all.

I guess its just another strange 911 coincidence that all the investigators looking for the 2.3 trillion were in the section of the Pentagon that got hit and all of them died but one.

You can only be a coincidence theorist for so long.

Hows this....

Gates in in on the free for all with Microsoft.

Buffet is in the free for all with Berkshire Hathaway.

Ecclestone is in the free for all with F1 racing.

Berlesconi is in the free for all with communications.

Paledeau is in on the free for all with Quebecor.

Balsillie is in on the free for all with RIM.

So what?

Cheney --- Sliverstien......MAJOR disconnect .It makes no sense. One gets a major insurance claim paid, and now Cheney is in on it. Wow !~

[PolyNewbie]

Riverwind:There you go again - evading the real issue.

The real issue is: Have you ever read a book about money & banking ? Have you ever taken a course in money and banking ? Do you dream up all your ideas about money and banking ? How is it that you know so much ?

I can quote books and other sources of facts and use lots of historical quotes that show complete agreement with what I am saying.

You argue that I must be a commie because I want government to take over some banking instead of private banking families who never have to get elected.