Canada can get rich by going green: Dion

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Canada can get rich by going green: Dion

Last Updated: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 | 10:13 AM ET

CBC News

In what he called his first major speech as Liberal leader, Stéphane Dion told a Toronto business audience Tuesday that Canadians can make enormous profits fighting climate change.

"Yes, Canada will cut megatonnes of emissions, but we will also make megatonnes of money," he told a joint breakfast meeting of the Toronto Board of Trade and the Economic Club of Toronto.

At the same time, he expressed skepticism about expanding nuclear power — which some see as a way to reduce heat-trapping carbon emissions — because he has no answer to the problem of radioactive waste.

He said he would announce his shadow cabinet tomorrow and then backtracked. "Maybe tomorrow. I have a lot of phone calls to make," he said.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/01/16/dion-toronto.html

[August1991]

"Yes, Canada will cut megatonnes of emissions, but we will also make megatonnes of money," he told a joint breakfast meeting of the Toronto Board of Trade and the Economic Club of Toronto.

Someone should tell Dion to cut that line. It's dumb and with his accent, it sounds even worse.

Dion's forte is not going around blabbering about a get-rich-quick scheme.

[NovaScotian]

"Yes, Canada will cut megatonnes of emissions, but we will also make megatonnes of money," he told a joint breakfast meeting of the Toronto Board of Trade and the Economic Club of Toronto.

Someone should tell Dion to cut that line. It's dumb and with his accent, it sounds even worse.

Dion's forte is not going around blabbering about a get-rich-quick scheme.

True!

However, he is right about "green" technology.

[Keepitsimple]

This guy does not and will not address the most outrageous flaw in the Kyoto agreement. It is clear that Canada will miss its Kyoto targets by a huge margin. According to Kyoto, we are supposed to "buy" credits from "developing" countries or Russia to make up for our shortfall. This would amount to billions of dollars being directed out of the country - instead of being invested here in Canada - in our own green solution. The previous Liberal government had actually set aside many billions (not sure of the exact amount), precisely for this purpose because they knew they could not possibly meet their targets. Our left-leaning media will simply not address this directly with Dion and pin him down - will he, or will he not send money out of the country to meet our shortfalls? If he does, he should be clear. If he does not, he's violating Kyoto. Get off the pot.

On a similar front, the CBC continually trots out John Bennet, the talking head of the Climate Action Network. He consistently uses the catch-phrase that Kyoto has "flexible mechanisms that will allow Canada to meet their Kyoto commitments". Those mechanisms of course, are again, the shipping of hard-earned tax dollars to foreign countries to make up for any Canadian shortfall against our Kyoto targets. CBC of course, refuses to re-phrase their question to pin this bozo down.

It's insanity. This whole "buying credits" scam is nothing more than forcing "rich" countries to increase their foreign aid.

[mikedavid00]

"Yes, Canada will cut megatonnes of emissions, but we will also make megatonnes of money,"

He's really coming accross as rediculous and almost sounds like he's selling snake oil.

"If you cut emissions, you can make so much money!"

A pundit on the radio said that Dion will be gone after the next election due to his dictator style within his own party and it will almost take a miracle for him to win.

I agree.

[mikedavid00]

According to Kyoto, we are supposed to "buy" credits from "developing" countries or Russia to make up for our shortfall. This would amount to billions of dollars being directed out of the country - instead of being invested here in Canada - in our own green solution.

Exactly.

Don't count on the CBC to let Canadians know this. Imagine the yes/no side of the argument if we can actually vote for this? Lol. It would be a no brainer.

[hiti]

According to Kyoto, we are supposed to "buy" credits from "developing" countries or Russia to make up for our shortfall. This would amount to billions of dollars being directed out of the country - instead of being invested here in Canada - in our own green solution.

Na... Kyoto did not specify that we are suppose to buy credits.... it is just an option. Those billions of $$$$ could be Canadian companies "selling" credits to other countries.

And yes, Canada can/could have met the Kyoto targets within 1-2 years. (This from the Pembina Institute.) One thing Steve could do is borrow from Dion's policy to use taxes as an incentive on energy policy that rewards clean, or cleaner, projects, and punishes dirty ones.

[B. Max]

And yes, Canada can/could have met the Kyoto targets within 1-2 years. (This from the Pembina Institute.)

Yeah if we shut down one third of the economy. The pembina institute is a left wing pink tank who have been trying to ruin Alberta's econmy for some years now.

One thing Steve could do is borrow from Dion's policy to use taxes as an incentive on energy policy that rewards clean, or cleaner, projects, and punishes dirty ones.

That would violate the equal treatment under the law in the constitution. Nothing new for the left though. There wouldn't be many other companies if it weren't for the oil companies. If they try ripping off the oil companies they will just pass those costs down the line. You can't force a company to buy the phony carbon credits from anyone.

[hiti]

And yes, Canada can/could have met the Kyoto targets within 1-2 years. (This from the Pembina Institute.)

Yeah if we shut down one third of the economy. The pembina institute is a left wing pink tank who have been trying to ruin Alberta's econmy for some years now.

One thing Steve could do is borrow from Dion's policy to use taxes as an incentive on energy policy that rewards clean, or cleaner, projects, and punishes dirty ones.

That would violate the equal treatment under the law in the constitution. Nothing new for the left though. There wouldn't be many other companies if it weren't for the oil companies. If they try ripping off the oil companies they will just pass those costs down the line. You can't force a company to buy the phony carbon credits from anyone.

Oil companies are already researching and implementing methods to reduce carbon and cut down on emissions. They would welcome a tax incentive for cleaner projects. Which is not a violation of the constitution.

Company A emits 500 GHG and pays 15% tax because of a prorated reduction or tax credit

Company B emits 1000 GHG and pays 30% which is the rate set for that amount of emission.

No violation.

[B. Max]

Oil companies are already researching and implementing methods to reduce carbon and cut down on emissions. They would welcome a tax incentive for cleaner projects. Which is not a violation of the constitution.

It is not an incentive it is a threat to punish as you yourself said. There is no feasible technology that yet exists for that. Some ideas are being looked at. The biggest CO2 emitter isn't even the oil sands. It's a power plant in ONT. Dion should be looking there. The technology for that does exist. In most cases.

No violation.

[hiti]

Oil companies are already researching and implementing methods to reduce carbon and cut down on emissions. They would welcome a tax incentive for cleaner projects. Which is not a violation of the constitution.

It is not an incentive it is a threat to punish as you yourself said. There is no feasible technology that yet exists for that. Some ideas are being looked at. The biggest CO2 emitter isn't even the oil sands. It's a power plant in ONT. Dion should be looking there. The technology for that does exist. In most cases.

No violation.

Technology that exists:

Joffre Plant

Nova Chemicals

Solar Energy

Using C02 for oil and gas extraction

There is lots of technology out there. These are not ideas being looked at but ideas that are implemented and working. Too bad someone doesn't tell the ONT power plant to sell their CO2 to the oil companies. Like Dion says... mega money.

It's the incentive to lower emissions that is missing and a tax incentive will work. Trying to pass this off as a threat is silly.

There are numerous tax brackets within the personal tax system and everyone who earns higher and higher wages gets "punished" as you imply, with higher taxes.

[jdobbin]

There is lots of technology out there. These are not ideas being looked at but ideas that are implemented and working. Too bad someone doesn't tell the ONT power plant to sell their CO2 to the oil companies. Like Dion says... mega money.

It's the incentive to lower emissions that is missing and a tax incentive will work. Trying to pass this off as a threat is silly.

There are numerous tax brackets within the personal tax system and everyone who earns higher and higher wages gets "punished" as you imply, with higher taxes.

The Tories are pushing the technology idea as well. The right wing here are dismissing the idea that green technology can be a money-maker. Perhaps they should call John Baird because he is pushing technology as well.

[Saturn]

That would violate the equal treatment under the law in the constitution. Nothing new for the left though. There wouldn't be many other companies if it weren't for the oil companies. If they try ripping off the oil companies they will just pass those costs down the line. You can't force a company to buy the phony carbon credits from anyone.

WTF? The right to pollute is in the constitution?

[geoffrey]

That would violate the equal treatment under the law in the constitution. Nothing new for the left though. There wouldn't be many other companies if it weren't for the oil companies. If they try ripping off the oil companies they will just pass those costs down the line. You can't force a company to buy the phony carbon credits from anyone.

WTF? The right to pollute is in the constitution?

No, but provincial sovereignty over resources and their respective industries is.

[HoratioCaine]

"Yes, Canada will cut megatonnes of emissions, but we will also make megatonnes of money," he told a joint breakfast meeting of the Toronto Board of Trade and the Economic Club of Toronto.

Someone should tell Dion to cut that line. It's dumb and with his accent, it sounds even worse.

Dion's forte is not going around blabbering about a get-rich-quick scheme.

It's a solid strategy. People who vote Conservative usually only care about two things, one of them being money. (The other being forcing their values on others) Courting those voters by showing them they can be responsible and profitable at the same time is smart.

[Ricki Bobbi]

It's a solid strategy. People who vote Conservative usually only care about two things, one of them being money. (The other being forcing their values on others) Courting those voters by showing them they can be responsible and profitable at the same time is smart.

Hey, enough insulting groups of voters.

Conservatives care abourt forcing their values on people?

Hmmm, sounds like *scary* *scary* *scary* all over again.

Worked so well last election thought you would try it again?

Ahhh, if only all Liberals were as intellectually vacuous...

[HoratioCaine]

Do you support abortions?

[Ricki Bobbi]

Do you support abortions?

I don't know if anybody *supports* abortions. But I am pro-choice. And yes I am a Conservative.

Will you now quit with your blanket insults and ignorant behaviour?

[HoratioCaine]

Do you support abortions?

I don't know if anybody *supports* abortions. But I am pro-choice. And yes I am a Conservative.

Will you now quit with your blanket insults and ignorant behaviour?

You mean like this?

Hypocrisy and bralnlesness. Classic Liberal behaviour.

[Ricki Bobbi]

So your response is the schoolyard classic "I know you are but what am I?"

Which banned Harper-hater with a new screen name are you?

[HoratioCaine]

So your response is the schoolyard classic "I know you are but what am I?"

Which banned Harper-hater with a new screen name are you?

Well, you made it personal first, I merely defended myself. But causality aside I'm just saying you should probably stop accusing people of doing things that you do.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Well, you made it personal first, I merely defended myself. But causality aside I'm just saying you should probably stop accusing people of doing things that you do.

Hmm. See I'm a Conservative voter. So you made it personal first with this quote.

It's a solid strategy. People who vote Conservative usually only care about two things, one of them being money. (The other being forcing their values on others) Courting those voters by showing them they can be responsible and profitable at the same time is smart.

Interesting how people take offence to such blanket insuts...

[HoratioCaine]

Ok, I'd just like to publically apologize to my good friend Ricki.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Ok, the difference is my message wasn't aimed at you personally. But I understand that you're a very sensitive person so I apologize for offending you.

Please don't try to make this board a Harper-hatefest.

[HoratioCaine]

Ok, the difference is my message wasn't aimed at you personally. But I understand that you're a very sensitive person so I apologize for offending you.

Please don't try to make this board a Harper-hatefest.

Well tell Harper to stop doing things that are so hateful!

Seriously though, lets actually get back to the topic. The point I was trying to make before I skewed off in to my tangent is that I feel Dion is going after the Conservative base by showing them that they can have their cake (Prevent Climate change and certain death) and eat it too (Make money while they're doing it.)