First well-documented study showing the transformation of a long-lasti

[Catchme]

This makes no sense, as the math shows that India has 1.1 billion people but have only 1/10 the GHG emissions. This means they are doing better than us by a long shot, even if their population increases 20-30 million per year. This means we are bigger contributors to the problem than they are.

That's easy when your a third world country, no one goes to work let alone drives to work, and cities are larger reducing the transportation impact on GHG (a major factor in Canada). The average temperature in India is what, 30 degrees? I doubt if they have the home heating that we do. We can reduce our levels to India no problem, we've got to live like them though. And I choose not to.

No we don't have to live like them, that is a strawman argument.

I agree with finding a replacement for oil

geoffry: As of today, no reasonable alternative exists. It's not only oil to power our energy demands... what about plastic? Look around the room your in right now, how many petroleum products do you see? Double that number and your likely close to the real value..

Actually I try to limit plastic when and where I can, which is a goodly %,actually. My house is fill of antiques, not plastic fibre and plastic covered furniture. I use glass and paper for the storage of my food. I do not buy things in plastic if I can buy other, I use cloth grocery bags. My floors are wood, and ceramic tile, no petroleum product flooring like tiles or linoleum, 1 bedroom has carpet, wool. The largest collection of plastic I have are my CD's and DVD's. And my comp, stereo and TV's. Light switches and plug outlets are brass. 2 rooms have plastic blinds, the other rooms have cloth, or metal blinds. My garbage cans are all metal though I do use plastic biodegrable bags. Clothes baskets are wicker and cloth. Our house is heated by forced air electricity with wood back up if hydro outages occur. All my light bulbs are energy efficient floresants. My appliance are energy efficient. I do not wear plastic clothes and I drive a 4 cylinder Nissan not because I like it so much, but because it has great gas miledge. I want my grandchildren to have a great world left to them and to their children.

If more people made the effort to cut down even a little, we could make close to targets, selfishly destroying the earth so one can live comfortable is unrighteous.

Mother nature has no conscious thought...

How do you know?

Canada has zero impact in the big picture...

Not true, 2% of the worlds problem and we have only 33 million people imagine if our birth rate soared?

and current climate events are only attributed to global warming by the most uninformed in the theory.

Not true this report says otherwise as do a great many others..

[Canuck E Stan]

Actually I try to limit plastic when and where I can, which is a goodly %,actually. My house is fill of antiques, not plastic fibre and plastic covered furniture. I use glass and paper for the storage of my food. I do not buy things in plastic if I can buy other, I use cloth grocery bags. My floors are wood, and ceramic tile, no petroleum product flooring like tiles or linoleum, 1 bedroom has carpet, wool. The largest collection of plastic I have are my CD's and DVD's. And my comp, stereo and TV's. Light switches and plug outlets are brass. 2 rooms have plastic blinds, the other rooms have cloth, or metal blinds. My garbage cans are all metal though I do use plastic biodegrable bags. Clothes baskets are wicker and cloth. Our house is heated by forced air electricity with wood back up if hydro outages occur. All my light bulbs are energy efficient floresants. My appliance are energy efficient. I do not wear plastic clothes and I drive a 4 cylinder Nissan not because I like it so much, but because it has great gas miledge. I want my grandchildren to have a great world left to them and to their children.

If more people made the effort to cut down even a little, we could make close to targets, selfishly destroying the earth so one can live comfortable is unrighteous.

Sorry, to tell you the bad news, if everyone in Canada cut down 100% and stopped driving cars, it would do nothing to the big picture.

[geoffrey]

No we don't have to live like them, that is a strawman argument.

It's not a strawman at all. We do have to live like them if we want to have emissions like them. Where do you think our emissions will go? Just disappear. Remember, India is already a major user of nuclear power... even if we converted to such irresponsible technology, we'd not even be close.

Seriously, turn off the heat for a few weeks, walk to work in sandals and let me know how a low emissions lifestyle feels.

You cannot heat your house, or drive your car anymore if you want to have per capita emissions like India. Unless you propose installing a Kandu in every house in Canada?

Actually I try to limit plastic when and where I can, which is a goodly %,actually. My house is fill of antiques, not plastic fibre and plastic covered furniture. I use glass and paper for the storage of my food. I do not buy things in plastic if I can buy other, I use cloth grocery bags. My floors are wood, and ceramic tile, no petroleum product flooring like tiles or linoleum, 1 bedroom has carpet, wool. The largest collection of plastic I have are my CD's and DVD's. And my comp, stereo and TV's. Light switches and plug outlets are brass. 2 rooms have plastic blinds, the other rooms have cloth, or metal blinds. My garbage cans are all metal though I do use plastic biodegrable bags. Clothes baskets are wicker and cloth. Our house is heated by forced air electricity with wood back up if hydro outages occur. All my light bulbs are energy efficient floresants. My appliance are energy efficient. I do not wear plastic clothes and I drive a 4 cylinder Nissan not because I like it so much, but because it has great gas miledge. I want my grandchildren to have a great world left to them and to their children.

That's a pretty impressive reduction in oil usage... heated with electricity is an issue, you essientially heat with coal unless your in Quebec. Natural gas is much cleaner burning, but not always available.

I am certainly glad that you don't wear plastic clothes.

Your car is still a major GHG emitter, whether it's efficient or not. It also depends on how much you drive it. Walking produces much less GHG (I believe... you do breathe more walking than sitting...)

If more people made the effort to cut down even a little, we could make close to targets, selfishly destroying the earth so one can live comfortable is unrighteous.

Mother nature has no conscious thought...

How do you know?

Ummmmm...

Canada has zero impact in the big picture...

Not true, 2% of the worlds problem and we have only 33 million people imagine if our birth rate soared?

And more likely, imagine if our population naturally started declining.

and current climate events are only attributed to global warming by the most uninformed in the theory.

Not true this report says otherwise as do a great many others..

The fact that this winter is warm in some areas is not evidence of global warming.

[sharkman]

This study is an eye opening revelation that will no doubt have proponents of Global Warming scrambling to come up with brand new 'studies' that are in direct disagreement with this one. Al Gore himself is probably leading the charge right now, hunkered down in a board room with heavy weights like the Sierra Club, unplugging the phones and faxes, strategizing on how to smear the authors of this particular study and so on.

What? This study supports exactly what they have been saying all along, did you not read the whole thread? Al Gore and The Sierra Club will be taking this report to the masses and saying; "see we were right".

Carbon Dioxide, as produced by humans, significantly impacts upon the environment causing global warming is now a fact because of this study.

Environmentalists will be taking this study to the bank, as the study also shows is that carbon dioxide emissions have gone up at least 90PPM/32% increase or as much as 320PPM/ 200% increase since the advent of burning fossil fuels for industry and transportation. That is in a 100years as opposed to millions, or even 10's of thousands of years, that the study shows global warming has previously has taken in the Global history with just naturally occuring increases in Carbon Dioxide only.

When this study is combined with others, it will show we will be in serious problems globally by 2050, if something is not done soon to decrease emissions globally. Water shortages will be world wide, countries will be gone because of rising oceans, economies will fail world wide.

The Stern Report out of Britian detailed all of this, plus more. And that Report was based upon solid speculation, not the concrete proof this report makes. Though scientific speculation has long been close to what this study found.

I read the whole article, and you are indeed doing what Gore and his wild eyed fear mongers will be doing, spin.

The study finds that the earth has been cooling and warming for millions of years before we came along. That carbon dioxide is higher than during a warming trend 50 million years ago is up to debate, but the fact remains Canada could ban cars, factories and breathing and our contribution to the global situation would not matter one iota.

But all of you that don't like the Tories will ignore level headed facts and whine about 2050 as if you've been brainwashed by Gore. Facts trump whine every time.

[mikedavid00]

Canada is a bigger contributor to the problem than India.

Lol!

[White Doors]

Ironically, India joinging the world's 'developed' economies will do more to stabalize her population that anything else. Once a country becomes 'Industrialized' the population growth dramatically slows. This has been borne out in every country that it has happened in. Agrarian societies are the societies that have out of control growth rates and contribute less PER CAPITA GHG's.

what to do?

[Who's Doing What?]

Mother nature has no conscious thought...

How do you know?

Ummmmm...

Canada has zero impact in the big picture...

Not true, 2% of the worlds problem and we have only 33 million people imagine if our birth rate soared?

And more likely, imagine if our population naturally started declining.

and current climate events are only attributed to global warming by the most uninformed in the theory.

Not true this report says otherwise as do a great many others..

The fact that this winter is warm in some areas is not evidence of global warming.

I am afraid I didn't say any of these things you have quoted me as saying.

[Catchme]

No you didn't the posts show that geoffry made the comments in response to yours, and the responses were in response to geoffery's comments to you.

[Canuck E Stan]

Ironically, India joinging the world's 'developed' economies will do more to stabalize her population that anything else. Once a country becomes 'Industrialized' the population growth dramatically slows.

What does Dramatically slows mean? 30%,20%,10%???

Birth control is the only thing I know that dramatically slows the population.

[Catchme]

There are many studies that have been done since the advent of the industrial age over the agrarian age on society. From many different aspects have the studies and analysis been conducted, I.e. economists, anthropology, cultural geography. All show that once a nation reaches a certain point of industrialization versus agrarian, population growth slows within a generation and keeps decreasing thereafter. There are a variety of factors as to why, none that need to be discussed on an environmental thread.

Suffice it to say, the person who posted it is correct. And it is apparent that infact we all must be agreeing now that with this new report we have factual evidence we humans need to slow our carbon dioxide emisssions, and soon.

As the Stern report said you know, we cannot afford not to.

Climate change fight 'can't wait'

The world cannot afford to wait before tackling climate change, the UK prime minister has warned.

A report by economist Sir Nicholas Stern suggests that global warming could shrink the global economy by 20%.

But taking action now would cost just 1% of global gross domestic product, the 700-page study says.

Need to do it now!

[Riverwind]

Need to do it now!

Let's say we devote a large chunk of our economy for many years to reducing GHGs and end up with an economy that depends even more on oil to create plastics and the specialized equipment necessary to eliminate GHGs. Let's assume that because of our narrow minded focus on GHGs we did not spend any money building dikes, making our water systems more efficient and ensuring our electrical grid can resist violent weather.

When the inevitable comes we will be toast. The only responsible thing that we can do now is prepare for the effects of global warming and reduce our total energy and water consumption. Reducing GHGs or the sake of reducing GHGs is a big waste of effort.

[Catchme]

Need to do it now!

Let's say we devote a large chunk of our economy for many years to reducing GHGs and end up with an economy that depends even more on oil to create plastics and the specialized equipment necessary to eliminate GHGs. Let's assume that because of our narrow minded focus on GHGs we did not spend any money building dikes, making our water systems more efficient and ensuring our electrical grid can resist violent weather.

When the inevitable comes we will be toast. The only responsible thing that we can do now is prepare for the effects of global warming and reduce our total energy and water consumption. Reducing GHGs or the sake of reducing GHGs is a big waste of effort.

You just put up strawman arguments and then kicked them down.

What if we use money to reduce GHG and end up creating more GHG isn't a excuse not to build a sustainable environment sorry. The people working on sustainable environments have actually been thinking about what can be down. It is only those who have never gave it a thought who are struggling with it.

However, I also agree with your point that we need to spend money now on dikes and other infrastructure that will be imapcted by the effects of global warming, and run it parallel with building a sustainable environment with lower GHG's. One can only sand bag so much though.

Plastics should be banned wherever another non carbon dioxide producing can be used instead.

The Stern Report which is in one of the oldest 2 of the environmental links, perhaps this one even, contains much info on what can be done.

But starting immediately is absolutely necessary.

In his interview with the CBC, Layton did not rule out working with the Tories on the proposed clean air act to have the legislation "totally rewritten" with the NDP's input.

When it comes to Canada's global role in tackling climate change, "you've got to rise above the usual partisan nonsense that goes on … to take the strong action that's needed," he said.

Non-partisanship needs to start happening says Layton