Afghan mission "doomed to fail"

[Catchme]

Well, this is an interesting article that I came across, which IMO is THE reason, why our military needs to get out of Afghanistan and stop propping up Karzi.

If our military are supporting a government that is doing the exact opposite, of what some have said we were there for, actually now it has became the "main" reason. To make things better for women and children. This article indeeds proves otherwise.

Karzai's Cabinet Proposes Return of Religious Police

by Aaron Glantz

An Afghan government proposal to reestablish the notorious Department for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice has raised concerns among U.S. human rights advocates.

Under the Taliban, the virtue and vice department enforced restrictions on women and men through public beatings and imprisonment.

Its agents "beat women publicly for wearing socks that were not sufficiently opaque; showing their wrists, hands or ankles; and not being accompanied by a close male relative," Zama Coursin-Neff, of New York-based Human Rights Watch, told OneWorld.

"They also stopped women from educating girls in home-based schools, working, and begging. They beat men for trimming their beards," she added.

When the U.S. government overthrew the Taliban in 2001, the virtue department was scrapped. Now the cabinet of President Hamid Karzai is asking the country's elected parliament to reinstate the religion-based police force....

While outraged, women's rights activists are hardly surprised by the development.

"The vice and virtue department did not begin with the Taliban," noted Sonali Kolhatkar, co-director of the Los Angeles-based Afghan Women's Mission.

Instead, she said, fundamentalist policies began in the 1990s after U.S.-backed mujahadeen fighters ousted the Soviet Union from Afghanistan.

Karzi = Taliban

BTW August or whatever your moniker is, the reason the USA rushed out of Afghanistan to Iraq was a lie. They should've finished hat they had proposed they didn't, they lied, we have NO reason to be there and NO reason to support the USA in any endeavors ever.

Particularily, our troops are NOW supporting a government doing exactly the same thing as the Taliban did. It is NO wonder Afghans are furious and want us out!

Lying Liars!

[jdobbin]

IMV, this is what NATO's military mission in Afghanistan is: to set up a viable Afghan regime that will not be used by terrorists of al Qaeda's ilk. If the Taliban had never allowed al Qaeda into Afghanistan, NATO would not be in Afghanistan regardless of how many Buddhist statues the Taliban blew up.

Given that you read the Economist, I am surprised that you think that a regime in Afghanistan is possible.

Even Pakistan can't seem to rule over its territory. Tomorrow's attacks are being planned in Pakistan. What is NATO doing about it?

[Jean_Poutine]

Even our Leopard Tanks cannot go up the mountains any better than the Soviet Ones.

Quite frankly, they may be great for our troops, but exemplify the failure that afghanistan has become 5 years on. And if you understand anything about tactics derived in virtually 25 years of assymetrical warfare. A bunch of breeding Jihadists lucky to have running shoes, no education and running around mountains in search of water, and maybe a bite to eat at a home of protection, firing off an RPG and setting off radio shack style triggered IED for the price of religion or a few rupees, vs $1 million to fly each tank and then the costs to operate them is exactly the game they want us to play. Tanks do not inspire friendship. It inspires fear, and demonstrates power. That transcends the population, not just the Taliban.

Catchme claims that tanks are being used to smash through Afghan buildings and such, but, of course, doesn't support that assertion with anything, and you say that the tanks won't be effective. Here, too, I think pictures help to clear things up:

Tank driving on paved road

Tanks on gravel road

Tank driving through dirt in open area

Tanks out in open dirt area

Tanks on gravel road up in hills

Tank driving on dirt road in Operation Baaz Tsuka (AKA Operation Falcon's Summit)

Tank and LAV III observation post at Ma'Sum Ghar

Also, from what I've read, the Leopards have more powerful engines than the Soviet tanks thus giving them an advantage. Obviously, there are limits, but I think by looking at the surroundings in the pictures, it's clear to see that there are areas in which they are suitable.

I think the government should replace the Leopards with Leopard 2A6s or Challenger 2s, G-Wagons with RG-31s, phase out the Bisons, and consider giving some of the old equipment to the Afghan army once replaced.

I also think the Canadian government should seriously consider buying some Buffalos. It's the American response to IEDs. Besides having good armor and a v-shape hull to deflect a blast away from the vehicle, it also has a 30 foot robotic arm that can be used to clear threats from a safe distance. The US is already using them in Afghanistan and Iraq. The video in the link shows a huge explosion going off next to one, and everyone inside survived.

Also, I've seen plenty of pictures of Afghan kids surrounding soldiers and their vehicles, and they don't look intimidated at all. LAV IIIs aren't exactly small either, and they don't keep the tanks in the city. They drove them through, at first, to let any idiots Taliban in the area know that they are there, and then stationed them in the surrounding area.

Here are some photos of Afghan kids around Canadian soldiers:

Afghan kids with soldier on patrol

Afghan kids drinking bottled water by soldiers and their vehicles

While I'm at it:

Canadians and USAID meet with Afghans

A member of the Kandahar PRT with kids playing soccer in a soccer stadium. Imagine that, a soccer game instead of executions in a soccer stadium.

A nice stack of wheat, supplied by the US, in Kandahar - dated Dec 19, 2006. You know, the aid that some people claim doesn't exist.

You are half right, and half reading to much propoganda. The people will not support NATO if members of their family are killed by NATO forces period. I don't believe you could find a "moderate" Afghan unless he has been western educated. This is not the case with the vast majority of uneducated Pashtuns. The Taliban do not have to Torture or Kill anyone. All they need to do, which they have been doing, and is an old tactic from the 80s, is to mark a door, showing their turf. This shows they are around, and will be back. The people only have to think, hmm, will this foreing soldier be around in the next 5 years, or will it be our cousins, brothers or rival Pashtun Tribes. Once the soldiers leave an area, the Taliban/pashtuns can return, whether they are welcome or not, and settle scores of revenge at this time.

This is your opinion of course.

The majority of people that are treated by Canadian medical facilities are Afghan civilians and soldiers, and yes, I can provide a source to verify that if requested. In contrast, the Taliban don't care who gets hurt when they attack and make no effort to help the wounded. I don't think that fact is lost on everyone.

The idea that everyone thinks the same way because of something like ethnicity I simply reject. It's a gross generalization.

[mikedavid00]

The idea that everyone thinks the same way because of something like ethnicity I simply reject. It's a gross generalization.

The pics with our soldiers and kids are all nice and dandy. But you have to realize that many parts of the world including Lebanon cannot even control regions of it's own country. Pakistan, Bangledesh, and countrless other Islam populated countries have lost control in certain regions. In these countries, gangs can litterally overthrow a complete gov't or take over a region of a country.

Also, it is a against Allah to allow the occupation of an Islamic country. This is a violation of Islam and a call for Jihad. Non believers are occupying Islamic land in Afganistan.

This is the core reason Isreal has the problems it does. They believe that land is Islamic land and want them off their land. The Quaran directly dicates this. It's Jihad.

Suppose our troups pull out, do you really think that Afganistan with nothnig but the drug trade are going to be able to secure their borders against insurgance? If Lebanon or Pakistan can't do it, Afganistan certainly can't. Iraq atleast has some hope in doing so. Afganistan already has a problem with increadibly corrupt police force demanding bribes at the side of roads.

I just don't feel that Afganistan is an attainable goal in the long run and thus we should pull out. We need to focus on securing our own boarders.

[Catchme]

Even our Leopard Tanks cannot go up the mountains any better than the Soviet Ones.

Quite frankly, they may be great for our troops, but exemplify the failure that afghanistan has become 5 years on. And if you understand anything about tactics derived in virtually 25 years of assymetrical warfare. A bunch of breeding Jihadists lucky to have running shoes, no education and running around mountains in search of water, and maybe a bite to eat at a home of protection, firing off an RPG and setting off radio shack style triggered IED for the price of religion or a few rupees, vs $1 million to fly each tank and then the costs to operate them is exactly the game they want us to play. Tanks do not inspire friendship. It inspires fear, and demonstrates power. That transcends the population, not just the Taliban.

Catchme claims that tanks are being used to smash through Afghan buildings and such, but, of course, doesn't support that assertion with anything, and you say that the tanks won't be effective. Here, too, I think pictures help to clear things up:

Please provide a quote of my words that said tanks are being used to smash through buildings as I didn't. There is a link I posted earlier that discribed why they are destoying farmers fields by driving the tanks on them and NOT using roads, too bad you did not read the links provided!

However, I will now post a link about our tanks blowing up farm buildings!

The squadron made little attempt to hide its arrival and a few of the Leopards left on patrol to a local strongpoint early Sunday morning.

Their first target was an abandoned grape drying hut with metre-thick mud walls said to have the resiliency of bullet-proof armour.

But against the tank guns, the hut never had a chance. A line of Leopards took turns firing rounds at the hut, the sound of the shots surprisingly quiet considering the damage that was being inflicted.

The shells punched holes through the mud walls and blew the roof off in a dramatic plume of smoke and dust

Canadian Tanks Blow up Afghan farm Buildings

Now and let's look at the Dutch successes that contradict what some people have said and indeed have said they are NOT holding up their end of the bargain, when I asked why are we doing it different than our NATO Allies and incurring casualities when they aren't.

The Dutch went into Uruzgan expecting the same kind of bloody welcome that Canadians have found in Kandahar. But the bloodbath never happened. Is it because they treat the local population better?

Dutch Treating Afghans Better and NOT Incurring casualities

[Canadian Blue]

Now and let's look at the Dutch successes that contradict what some people have said and indeed have said they are NOT holding up their end of the bargain, when I asked why are we doing it different than our NATO Allies and incurring casualities when they aren't.

However, I will now post a link about our tanks blowing up farm buildings!

Wow, imagine that you seemed to not mention that we came under fire from the Taliban, I guess our soldier's should simply wait around and get shot instead of firing back.

The Taliban obviously noticed. Two rebel rockets landed near the base at twilight Sunday, shattering the relative calm with a loud explosions. Canadian troops responded with two mortar bombs, the flash on the mountain top clearly visible from below in the fading light.

Dutch Treating Afghans Better and NOT Incurring casualities

I'm not going to purchase the article to only find out that we Canadian's are doing it the same as the Dutch.

Now and let's look at the Dutch successes that contradict what some people have said and indeed have said they are NOT holding up their end of the bargain, when I asked why are we doing it different than our NATO Allies and incurring casualities when they aren't.

Not one person on here has said that about the Dutch, I believe I have constantly said the Dutch are holding up their side of the bargain. As well the Dutch are involved in fighting the war, as are the American's, Brits, and Canadian's. So the Dutch do not fit into your sphere of thinking.

As well, the article you gave us a link to, I'm not going to purchase it, provide a better link.

[Army Guy]

Catchme:

Actually it has been awhile since I was in the military, well prior to 911, but that is not the point. Canada's military since the Korean War, excpet for the Yugoslavian disaster, has been focused on Peace Keeping tactics and ideology.

No your piont was you signed up to peacekeep, To which i replied BS, And your quote about us being focused on Peacekeeping since the korean war is false, The military has always been focused on our NATO commitments, in europe and Norway, we have never had more than 2 Battle groups out of Canada on peace keeping duties and that was at the hieght of Yugo, when upto the early 90's we had 6000 soldiers in Germany on NATO duties, plus a Brig assigned to fly over to Norway, again both were in support of NATO duties.

I don't recall Yugo turning into a disaster, in fact i believe thier has been peace in the region for over 10 years now...

Our focus has always been on war fighting skills, up until we decided to take on the Afgan mission and now we are focused on the 3 block war concept.

So, I was right about everything regarding who bought what, and who did what in what time frame

Just to set the record straight, yes you were right about who and when they purchased the Nyala's, but failed to address the other equipment they purchased or for that matter your only addition to my list was a small 234 mil dollar purchase, which was purchased for the Afgan mission only, in fact most of that equipment has been or will be replaced very soon exception being the nyala's...What the liberals failed to do was address our current state of our military. Something that you have to give the Harper government credit for. My orginal question was what has the liberal governmant done for the defense dept that i should be greatful for.

Just what is it that is known by you then and is not propaganada that you are being fed?

Let me explain something, the only properganda we are fed is from either CNN, or our own news network, the military does not pass on the news just intel reports on the op that we will be on, and since i rarely watch the news, my opinon is based on what i've seen or done, or my inter action with Afgan civilians while on patrol.. But like i've said before doubt my opinion then go to the DND web site and e-mail someone else on the ground here, it's available on the e-mail a soldier...you could also write a soldier they'll be happy to respond..

But we are all am wrong thinking the Liberals did support those in Afghanistan and that the CPC care oh so much more! And how are those field rations?

That is your opinion , and i have mine, it's hard to get behind a party that has gutted an organization that i'm proud to be a part of. As for the rations, there excellant and so are the hot meals that we get.

I am talking about reconstruction monies that the USA bailed on that was fairly consistently presented by me.

The US is still giving monies for the restruction effort, in fact again they are more than triple than what we are providing, plus they are also providing fyunding to Pakistan and many other surrounding countries, some thing we are not doing...And my piont is that without this additional funding this mission will have to be extended and that we both know is not going to happen unless Canadian public opinion changes, which translats for us soldiers here doing our part, that the mission will be extended again and we will remain in Afgan until the mission is sucessful or declare untenable by the US..

Fact of the matter is, those in Afghanistan are not even yet using anything the Harper government has said they were purchasing for the military.

And the liberals are doing so much to push that thru are they not, infact some liberals do not want fast track the purchases...But you have not address the question Has the Harper government purchased more equipment in his first term than the liberals did in the 12 years they were in power Yes or no...

If our military are supporting a government that is doing the exact opposite, of what some have said we were there for, actually now it has became the "main" reason. To make things better for women and children. This article indeeds proves otherwise.

Particularily, our troops are NOW supporting a government doing exactly the same thing as the Taliban did. It is NO wonder Afghans are furious and want us out!

Nice, your reaching now, this has already been address along time ago, yes the Afgan government has enacted the religous police again, but they do not operate under the same mandate as the once infamous Taliban did, they are there to assist with the Afgan popualation with religous and moral problems. really you should do some more reseach on this topic.

[Army Guy]

Catchme:

There is a link I posted earlier that discribed why they are destoying farmers fields by driving the tanks on them and NOT using roads, too bad you did not read the links provided!

In some areas we are not using the roads as they are heavily mined, or have to many IED's so yes we drive thru the fields, however what your article fails to mention is that in most cases those farmers are compasated with cash for the damage. This is one of those catch 22 sit's get blown up by using the roads, or piss off a few farmers...i know what my chioce is..

The Dutch went into Uruzgan expecting the same kind of bloody welcome that Canadians have found in Kandahar. But the bloodbath never happened. Is it because they treat the local population better?

Again this is how the media presents info, this area that the dutch operate in is hostile towards the taliban in fact in earily operations the village warriors were operating along side US special forces...So it's hard to take cas when there is no taliban operating in the region...as for our region we have only been there for less than 6 months now, and we are still throwing out the taliban out...comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges...

Judging by your previous remarks i get the impression that you are not happy with the progress we as Canadian soldiers are making, that you are unhappy with the way we are doing our jobs. you are taking all your info from the media and treating it as gosple and disregarding offical news from the government as properganda. you need to find the right mix and read between the lines, there is lots of things happening here that i would love to share with you but can't because of OP sec. But there must be a reason why we soldiers are talking about the good we are doing and why we should stay...After all who risks everything by staying here and what do we gain by going home...just a question you have to ask your selfs...because as much as i love my job, i do value my life, and my family more and would not risk both unless there was something to it...

[White Doors]

If Catchme was in the army and had an honourable discharge then I'm a monkey's uncle. I think that is a very funny LIE. No way someone was ion the military and think Canada's prinmary role was for peace keeping. That is a myth propogated by the NDP and the Toronto Star. Also she was in other threads calling for a decrease in funding on the armed forces in favour of more social programs. As if a veteran would EVER say that knowing that a decrease in funding would endanger soldiers lives. Catchme is an ideological cow and I would urge people not to engage her. She obviously is a marxist and has a hate on for our military. She accused it of purposefully killing civilians to inflate taliban dead stats. She accused it of destroying afghan infrastructure instead of actually re-building it, etc. She said that the dutch were doing a better job than the Canucks - her own countrymen! She is looking for ANY insult she can possibly find to hurl at this nations armed forces and yet she used to be a member of it? That is so sick it is not even funny.

She is a liar of the worst sort. This type of parasite secretly has a smile on their face when Canada suffers casualties in Afghanistan - I guarantee it.

[Catchme]

Funny, I provide credible links to what is going there, and you all skirt around them discounting them wrongly. I think you are all going way over board in prostestations, and in urging people not to think about what OUR military is doing in OUR names.

And BTW, I went to Army.ca to have a look around to try and see things from today's Canadian military, and the first thing I saw was a quote of Adolph Hitlers. I left immediately that said enough!

As for the nonsense about trying to say Canadians have not been focused on our military being Peace Keeper's and our military having that same ideology, you are way off base.

I sincerely hope that the opposition does NOT fast track the billions Harper wants to spend.

[White Doors]

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[White Doors]

I just went over to Army.ca and there is no quote by hitler of any kind. How nice, now comparing CDn troops to Nazi's.

BTW catchme, impersonating a CF member, past of present, is a federal offence.

[jdobbin]

I just went over to Army.ca and there is no quote by hitler of any kind. How nice, now comparing CDn troops to Nazi's.

BTW catchme, impersonating a CF member, past of present, is a federal offence.

What law is that? Citation?

[Canadian Blue]

And BTW, I went to Army.ca to have a look around to try and see things from today's Canadian military, and the first thing I saw was a quote of Adolph Hitlers. I left immediately that said enough!

As for the nonsense about trying to say Canadians have not been focused on our military being Peace Keeper's and our military having that same ideology, you are way off base.

Are you accusing our soldier's of being neo-nazi's, that's a load of BS. I even went to army.ca and couldn't find the quote which was probably taken out of context.

However if posters feel like it, go to army.ca and ask if Canada was only a peacekeeping military before Harper came in and see the response that you get.

That's odd how a former member of the CF can make those claim's, as I haven't met any member of the CF who will go out of their way to bash our military.

Funny, I provide credible links to what is going there, and you all skirt around them discounting them wrongly. I think you are all going way over board in prostestations, and in urging people not to think about what OUR military is doing in OUR names.

Strangely enough, this has all been addressed, and you continue to believe that our army is somehow akin to the Waffen SS.

[Fortunata]

How nice, now comparing CDn troops to Nazi's.

Are you accusing our soldier's of being neo-nazi's, that's a load of BS

you continue to believe that our army is somehow akin to the Waffen SS.

What personal purpose does your deliberate, cruel misinterpreting of posts and posters serve? Must turn your cranks somehow or else you wouldn't do it. Dishonest posting does not serve this forum well.

[White Doors]

Read through the thread. It's not dishonest at all.

[Catchme]

I actually took a screen shot of it at 1238 PST in case it disappeared. So I have it on file!!!!

It was Military Quote #183 of 1417 and it said:

"Lets us never forget the duty, which we have taken upon us" - Adolph Hitler

Nor am I accusing anyone of anything regarding the Nazis, so please stop putting words in my mouth,.

Moreover, I have every right to be turned off by seeing that quote in the upper right corner of the army.ca website the minute I start searching for Canadian soldiers points of view.

Not impersonating anything, so really not worried about that threat implied or otherwise.

As you all you saying I am wrong about Peace Keeping here ya go:

Peacekeeping has a place of pride in the Canadian national identity. Canadians feel that their nation is a natural leader in this international endeavour. How is this national identity expressed, and how has it come about? Is it justified? An answer to these questions requires a probe of Canadian public and military attitudes, a historical review of Canada's peacekeeping activities, and an examination of current Canadian contributions. The final question is: What is needed if Canada is to live up to the image of the proud and prolific peacekeeper?

Over 125,000 Canadian military personnel have served in UN peacekeeping operations... This constitutes more than ten percent of the UN total. To acknowledge such service, the Department of National Defence issues a special medal, in addition to medals for specific operations. The Canadian Peacekeeping Service Medal, instituted in 2000, is given to military and civilian personnel who have served for 30 days or more in UN or other PKOs. Earlier, when the 1988 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to UN peacekeepers, some 80,000 Canadian military personnel who had served to that time shared in the honour, though not in the award money — that was used by the UN to create the Dag Hammarskjöld Medal for families of peacekeepers who had died in a PKO.

http://www.rmc.ca/academic/gradrech/dorn32_e.html

One needs only google Canada and peacekeepers historical, training or whatever you want in the question, and you will find ample evidence of what I said.

Harper was warned way back in June 2006 NOT to follow US policies in Afghanistan:

Following US policies is turning Canadian military operation in Afghanistan into a suicide mission

Canada at War in Kandahar – Canadian troops no longer on a mission of peace keeping

Civilian deaths have led to mistrust by local populations – support for international military presence has been lost

Canadian public has been misled as to true nature of Canada’s mission

LONDON - Canadian troops are paying with their lives for Canada’s adherence to the US government’s failing military and counter-narcotics policies in the Kandahar province of Afghanistan said The Senlis Council, an international security and development think tank. Senlis warned in a Report released today that the US-led counter-terrorist operations under Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) and aggressive large-scale crop eradication have significantly contributed to the current war situation that is flaring-up in Kandahar and the other southern provinces.

“The Canada government and the international community continue to seemingly unquestioningly accept America’s fundamentally flawed approach to southern Afghanistan,” said Emmanuel Reinert, Executive Director of The Senlis Council. “But this is jeopardising both the troops’ lives and the stabilisation, reconstruction and development objectives. The Canadian troops in Kandahar are doing a heroic job in the most difficult of circumstances and are to be commended; but the overall policy context within which they are obliged to work is putting them at risk.”

http://www.senliscouncil.net/modules/media...eleases/64_news

[White Doors]

No one is sayign that we haven't DONE peacekeeping just that we hardly so it AT ALL now and even when we did do it, it was NEVER the focus of our military. EVER.

Please provide proof you were in the military. What branch, what years, where were you posted? etc etc.

[Canadian Blue]

I actually took a screen shot of it at 1238 PST in case it disappeared. So I have it on file!!!!

It was Military Quote #183 of 1417 and it said:

"Lets us never forget the duty, which we have taken upon us" - Adolph Hitler

One quote out of 1417, allright.

Nor am I accusing anyone of anything regarding the Nazis, so please stop putting words in my mouth,.

Moreover, I have every right to be turned off by seeing that quote in the upper right corner of the army.ca website the minute I start searching for Canadian soldiers points of view.

Yeah, and that's why its easy to make a correlation between you making statement's which may or may not be true about members of the military.

As well that is not quote 183, quote 183 is this:

"Just as the world cannot live on wars, so people cannot on revolutions"

As for the peacekeeping.

One needs only google Canada and peacekeepers historical, training or whatever you want in the question, and you will find ample evidence of what I said.

One needs only google Canada and peacekeepers historical, training or whatever you want in the question, and you will find ample evidence of what I said.

That's odd since I've talked to members of the CF who have often said that we aren't really peacekeeper's, and we have always been fighting soldier's. But I'll take your word over a veteran's word.

[Catchme]

No one is sayign that we haven't DONE peacekeeping just that we hardly so it AT ALL now and even when we did do it, it was NEVER the focus of our military. EVER.

Please provide proof you were in the military. What branch, what years, where were you posted? etc etc.

This link is all you need to prove yourself wrong white doors.

http://www.peacekeeper.ca/pk1a.html

If that is not enough try:

More on peace keeping focus

or:

http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/en/page_717.asp?flash=1

and then there is this:

50 Years of Canadian Peacekeeping, Peacemaking and Peace Support

The “50 Years +, Canada and Peacekeeping: History, Evolutions and Perceptions,” conference, slated to occur at the University of Ottawa from 11-14 May 2006, is forging ahead. Other than the OHC, the sponsors include the Royal Military College of Canada, the University of Ottawa, Carleton University, the Canadian War Museum, the United Nations Association in Canada, and the Department of National Defence.

...Ottawa participated in every United Nations peacekeeping mission from the Suez Crisis until the end of the 1980s.

By then the Soviet Union was dying and with it the long Cold War. For a time everything seemed possible. Then, quickly, what had seemed to be a new international order crumbled into disorder.

Peacekeeping seemed more relevant than ever as it took on multiple meanings in the 1990s: election-watching; preventive deployments; the implementation of peace settlements; humanitarian and human rights mandates; nation building, with civilian aspects like the training of police; and even enforcement of UN Security Council resolutions.

Experts talked of “second generation” peacekeeping to distinguish between traditional UNEF-style activities, usually involving the monitoring of arrangements between consenting states, and innovative and possibly very intrusive operations which would not always have the approval of the parties on the ground. Increasingly, with a growing emphasis on nation building and more forceful rules of engagement, peacekeeping adopted traits more commonly linked to counterinsurgency operations and low intensity conflict.

Peacekeeping had been supplemented by peacekeeping plus.

Canada was the leading practitioner of the old art, and the government seized peacekeeping plus as well. Prime Minister Brian Mulroney championed the responsibility to protect the world’s downtrodden long before it became the centerpiece of Paul Martin’s international policy.

http://www.orghistcanada.ca/main.php?l=en&c=e

Canadian foreign policy after 1945 would focus on international security.

So, please try to stop rewriting Canadian history!

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And absolutely NOT, why would I afford someone the ability to breach my privacy, answer I would not!

[Catchme]

Well, I guess they must have changed it after it was taken exception to, Can Blue. And it is even more frightening to me that they would change it. I may have to take this further and write complaints to the Canadian Military and the media now.

As I have the screen shot, I can readily prove it, and I printed the page off also, and if I knew how to up load to the net and link it here I would!

So if someone can tell me how to do that I will.

[Canadian Blue]

So, please try to stop rewriting Canadian history!

Why would member's of the Canadian military want rewrite Canadian history. We have been engaged in peacekeeping, as have many police agencies in Canada, however it's not the militaries primary role.

And absolutely NOT, why would I afford someone the ability to breach my privacy, answer I would not!

It's not a breach of privacy, I'll give you the bases I've been posted to, as well as what I do in the CF.

CFLRS St Jean

CFB Gagetown

CFB Borden

CFSCE Kingston

CFB Winnipeg

Signal Operator 215

[Canadian Blue]

Well, I guess they must have changed it after it was taken exception to, Can Blue. And it is even more frightening to me that they would change it. I may have to take this further and write complaints to the Canadian Military and the media now.

As I have the screen shot, I can readily prove it, and I printed the page off also, and if I knew how to up load to the net and link it here I would!

So if someone can tell me how to do that I will.

While I was on army.ca I also found the following quotes.

"What is a war criminal? Was not war itself a crime against God and humanity, and, therefore, were not all those who sanctioned, engineered, and conducted wars, war criminals? War criminals are not confined to the Axis Powers alone. Roosevelt and Churchill are no less war criminals than Hitler and Mussolini. England, America and Russia have all of them got their hands dyed more or less red - not merely Germany and Japan."

Ghandi

"Hitler, Mussolini, Franco,Stalin, Polpot, Mao, and Jose Maria Sison can all put Satan into shame."

Here are some quotes from Martin Luther King on the same site.

In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.

"If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live."

War is the greatest plague that can afflict mankind ... Any scourge is preferable to it.

Cowardice asks the question, “Is it safe?”

Expediency asks the question, “Is it politic?”

Vanity asks the question, “Is it popular?”

But, conscience asks the question, “Is it right?”

And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because one’s conscience tells one that it is right.

Army.ca is a private site, it is not a government website.

As well please don't try to demoralize our troop's by spreading misinformation which does nothing but make the general public think all of the troop's are neo-nazi's or nazi sympathizers.

[Catchme]

So, please try to stop rewriting Canadian history!

Why would member's of the Canadian military want rewrite Canadian history. We have been engaged in peacekeeping, as have many police agencies in Canada, however it's not the militaries primary role.

And absolutely NOT, why would I afford someone the ability to breach my privacy, answer I would not!

It's not a breach of privacy, I'll give you the bases I've been posted to, as well as what I do in the CF.

CFLRS St Jean

CFB Gagetown

CFB Borden

CFSCE Kingston

CFB Winnipeg

Signal Operator 215

After all the proof I provide to you regarding peace keeping being Canada's military primary role you have the nerve to say otherwise?

It is a breach of privacy, especially in today's apparently world.

And why you are trying to cover up the Hitler quote on army.ca, and saying that Canada's military has not been primarily peace keeping I have no idea! Other than to perhaps take the conversation further off topic regarding what our miltary is doing in Afghanistan.

[Canadian Blue]

And why you are trying to cover up the Hitler quote on army.ca, and saying that Canada's military has not been primarily peace keeping I have no idea! Other than to perhaps take the conversation further off topic regarding what our miltary is doing in Afghanistan.

I'm not covering up the Hitler quote on army.ca, it can be seen by everyone.

Our military has not been primarily peacekeeping, that's what 30 year veteran's have told me, as well as most NCO's. Being a part of the military I know that we do some peacekeeping, but it's not our primary role.

No, I'm simply trying to stop some civilian lying about what our military is ACTUALLY doing in Afghanistan, and providing the fact that member's on here who have actual military experience [armyguy] have shown how you have you used misinformation with regard's to Afghanistan.

It is a breach of privacy, especially in today's apparently world.

Telling us which posting's and what your trade is, is not a breach of privacy. Especially since your the one who said that you were a member of the military, and now your making these claim's.

So we should be able to question your military experience, if you do have military experience.