Harper to Shuffle Cabinet

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I still think those on the other side take the cake on that one... fundraising through unmarked envelopes left on restuarant chairs is clearly about as cool as it gets. Creativity is the success story of the Liberals.

hahaha

"B-b-b-but we're not as bad as the Liberals."

Why set your standards so low?

Besides the Liberals were corrupt imo long before adscam.

[Ricki Bobbi]

"B-b-b-but we're not as bad as the Liberals."

Why set your standards so low?

Besides the Liberals were corrupt imo long before adscam.

How defending MADD lead to "we're not as bad as the Liberals." in your warped world view?

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But MADD is a bad thing. Gotta love the Harper-haters.

No one has said MADD is a bad thing. Give it up.

[Who's Doing What?]

"B-b-b-but we're not as bad as the Liberals."

Why set your standards so low?

Besides the Liberals were corrupt imo long before adscam.

How did an attack on MADD lead to "we're not as bad as the Liberals." in your warped world view?

I can see you are still having trouble keeping up with the rest of us.

[jdobbin]

http://www.nupge.ca/news_2007/n04ja07a.htm

MADD has had its share of scandal in the last year.

It certainly raises eyebrows. It makes you wonder what the board of directors were thinking.

[Ricki Bobbi]

No one has said MADD is a bad thing. Give it up.

So when people say an organization has been recently implicated in a *serious fundraising scandal* that is saying the organization is a good thing?

MADD was recently implicated in a serious fundraising scandal.

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What kind of drugs are you on Ricki?

Sure they are having some fund raising issues but I don't think anyone here is going to say fighting drunk driving is a bad thing. Try to separate the two and you might catch half the point.

It's not like they are fighting against unethical business practices. They fight drunk driving.

[Ricki Bobbi]

What kind of drugs are you on Ricki?

Sure they are having some fund raising issues but I don't think anyone here is going to say fighting drunk driving is a bad thing. Try to separate the two and you might catch half the point.

It's not like they are fighting against unethical business practices. They fight drunk driving.

Take it up with Figleaf...

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What kind of drugs are you on Ricki?

Sure they are having some fund raising issues but I don't think anyone here is going to say fighting drunk driving is a bad thing. Try to separate the two and you might catch half the point.

It's not like they are fighting against unethical business practices. They fight drunk driving.

Take it up with Figleaf...

You're the one who keeps bringing it up.

What's that about?

[Ricki Bobbi]

You're the one who keeps bringing it up.

What's that about?

It all started with the attack on Marjorie Lebreton and only *Tory hacks* could have respect for her. then when Isaid she was the chair of the board of MADD the attacks on MADD started...

[Who's Doing What?]

You're the one who keeps bringing it up.

What's that about?

It all started with the attack on Marjorie Lebreton and only *Tory hacks* could have respect for her. then when Isaid she was the chair of the board of MADD the attacks on MADD started...

Show me an "attack" on MADD. I think you are creating things in your mind. Some might go as far as to call it delusions.

[Technocrat]

You're the one who keeps bringing it up.

What's that about?

It all started with the attack on Marjorie Lebreton and only *Tory hacks* could have respect for her. then when Isaid she was the chair of the board of MADD the attacks on MADD started...

So you raised the point that she is a member of a board of directors who is responsible for an organisation with clear mismanagement issues. Not exactly a shining example of management and leadership is it?

[Ricki Bobbi]

Show me an "attack" on MADD. I think you are creating things in your mind. Some might go as far as to call it delusions.

It's there. Read into it what you will. Not going to engage you again, so we'll play the same old game.

I'll start ignoring you again. You'll get the last word again and feel like a big man. Same old when you start with the stalking tomorrow.

Have a good night.

[Who's Doing What?]

Show me an "attack" on MADD. I think you are creating things in your mind. Some might go as far as to call it delusions.

It's there. Read into it what you will. Not going to engage you again, so we'll play the same old game.

I'll start ignoring you again. You'll get the last word again and feel like a big man. Same old when you start with the stalking tomorrow.

Have a good night.

If you have a point then make it.

Or is this just another baseless round of bulls*** like when you outright called me a liar?

[Ricki Bobbi]

So you raised the point that she is a member of a board of directors who is responsible for an organisation with clear mismanagement issues. Not exactly a shining example of management and leadership is it?

Sure, it's not a shining example of managment. That was never the issue.

Leadership? Hmmm, the philanthropic goals of MADD are beyond reproach. Except for Conservative-hating hacks!

[Figleaf]

MADD was recently implicated in a serious fundraising scandal.

http://news.google.ca/nwshp?hl=en&lr=&ie=I...D%20fundraising

So, where was Lebreton when those decisions were made?

So you think overall MADD is a bad thing for society in Canada?

No. I think Senator Marjorie Lebreton clearly did a bad job at governance and allowed MADD leadership to abuse the goodwill of Canadians.

Go ahead, we know you can't do anything but attack, so turn it on...

... said Ricki Bobbi, attackingly.

[August1991]

It seems we've got two issues in this thread. (Sorry for causing the thread drift.) One issue concerns Trudeau as wife beater, and the other concerns Senator LeBreton as cabinet minister.

To Trudeau first.

I'm afraid that is just not acceptable as an answer.

I know all about this report and never gave it the credence the right wing does.

The fact that you are using it today to make a political point is both appalling and perhaps one of these worst examples of trolling that I have ever seen you make.

A troll is a poster who provokes needless controversy. I hardly fit that description.

Dobbin, the key point is that Trudeau never denied this particular event. The physical evidence was apparent for all to see. Trudeau even got the "wife-beater" vote in 1979, a key election. (IMV, that's the clincher.)

Stepping back a bit, Trudeau was born in 1919 into a small elite group in Quebec. He went to a Classical College at his own expense. (His father, a French Canadian, was financially successful and had married a Scottish Catholic - the OJ Simpson/Tiger Woods equivalent of marrying a white blonde.)

Simply put, Trudeau (and Levesque) were old school elitists and misogynists.

Sounds like scurilous innuendo to me.

I suggest you do some research.

Stevie Harper's wife changed her name.

I'm not sure how that point is relevant but by all accounts, Laureen is her own woman - Albertan farmgirl and motorcycles and all.

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As to LeBreton, tradition requires a government house leader in the Senate. Given the Liberal majority in the Senate, the position is not insignificant.

As to a senator being a cabinet minister, who cares? Senators are members of Parliament and can be questioned by the opposition.

I am only surprised that Harper put more on her plate. Maybe Harper wants to dilute the significance of Fortier's cabinet position, or he wants to bolster Tories in Quebec or maybe LeBreton has a specific agenda and Harper is giving her the chance to do it. Dunno.

Lastly, since this thread is about the Cabinet shuffle, Wikipedia says Baird is "bilingual". I've never heard him in French and he is absolutely nowhere on the Quebec radar screen. Is Baird "Toronto bilingual", "Ottawa bilingual" or "Quebec bilingual"?

Paul Wells said that Baird should seek an interview outdoors with Bernard Derome. Can Baird do Tout le monde en parle and come off as sexy?

[geoffrey]

Lastly, since this thread is about the Cabinet shuffle, Wikipedia says Baird is "bilingual". I've never heard him in French and he is absolutely nowhere on the Quebec radar screen. Is Baird "Toronto bilingual", "Ottawa bilingual" or "Quebec bilingual"?

Ottawa bilingual.

[jdobbin]

It seems we've got two issues in this thread. (Sorry for causing the thread drift.) One issue concerns Trudeau as wife beater, and the other concerns Senator LeBreton as cabinet minister.

To Trudeau first.

A troll is a poster who provokes needless controversy. I hardly fit that description.

Dobbin, the key point is that Trudeau never denied this particular event. The physical evidence was apparent for all to see. Trudeau even got the "wife-beater" vote in 1979, a key election. (IMV, that's the clincher.)

Stepping back a bit, Trudeau was born in 1919 into a small elite group in Quebec. He went to a Classical College at his own expense. (His father, a French Canadian, was financially successful and had married a Scottish Catholic - the OJ Simpson/Tiger Woods equivalent of marrying a white blonde.)

Simply put, Trudeau (and Levesque) were old school elitists and misogynists.

Your answer is the equivalent of the someone asking when you stopped beating your wife. There is no answer that is satisfactory.

I find your response one that provokes needless controversy. I see it bearing no significance to this discussion and find it reeks of innuendo. Your defense of what you said is the man is guilty until proven innocent. It sucks. Your argument sucks and it is what I'd expect of a troll.

You wouldn't accept this from anyone else and I certainly didn't expect it from you.

Your claim that he won a certain part of the vote based on this innuendo lacks any basis in fact.

Your assessment of his personal life is equally irrelevant as well as odious.

Quite simply, I have no idea why you would even bring up this subject except to be inflammatory.

[geoffrey]

Fuddle duddle.

When your in politics, you are guilty until proven innocent, that's the way reality happens in the media, and in people's minds when they voted. The public condemned the Liberals to a minority government without anyone being charged in the Sponsorship scandal.

[Figleaf]

It seems we've got two issues in this thread. (Sorry for causing the thread drift.) One issue concerns Trudeau as wife beater, and the other concerns Senator LeBreton as cabinet minister.

To Trudeau first.

A troll is a poster who provokes needless controversy. I hardly fit that description.

Dobbin, the key point is that Trudeau never denied this particular event. The physical evidence was apparent for all to see. Trudeau even got the "wife-beater" vote in 1979, a key election. (IMV, that's the clincher.)

Stepping back a bit, Trudeau was born in 1919 into a small elite group in Quebec. He went to a Classical College at his own expense. (His father, a French Canadian, was financially successful and had married a Scottish Catholic - the OJ Simpson/Tiger Woods equivalent of marrying a white blonde.)

Simply put, Trudeau (and Levesque) were old school elitists and misogynists.

Your answer is the equivalent of the someone asking when you stopped beating your wife. There is no answer that is satisfactory.

I find your response one that provokes needless controversy. I see it bearing no significance to this discussion and find it reeks of innuendo. Your defense of what you said is the man is guilty until proven innocent. It sucks. Your argument sucks and it is what I'd expect of a troll.

You wouldn't accept this from anyone else and I certainly didn't expect it from you.

Your claim that he won a certain part of the vote based on this innuendo lacks any basis in fact.

Your assessment of his personal life is equally irrelevant as well as odious.

Quite simply, I have no idea why you would even bring up this subject except to be inflammatory.

Well said, Dobbin! August is just showing the depths to which some sovereigntist are willing to sink to revenge themselves on Trudeau's reputation.

The wife-beater vote!? Who's polls fraction-out that segment? Like I said -- scurrilous.

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Harper Comments on Shuffle

Harper actually accepts the science of climate change. Really?

On the Kyoto Protocol, Harper said he accepts the science of climate change, but Canada is projected by 2012 to be more than 50 per cent above the emissions reduction targets it set under the agreement.

"We can't tell the Canadian population to heat their home one-third less of the time ... so we've got a major challenge, and we are going to get on with it."

The government's efforts, Harper said, will include emissions targets for industry.

"I don't think we want the taxpayer being the one to clean up air quality. Industry is going to have to do that and meet some realistic targets."

Poor old Jack. I guess he is asking for too much.

Harper gave credit to NDP Leader Jack Layton for being willing to work with the Conservatives on dealing with climate change. However, he said he didn't know if they could agree on a revised version of the Tories' Clean Air Act.

[geoffrey]

Poor old Jack. I guess he is asking for too much.

It's easy to be demanding when your government's fiscal responsibility and responsibility to the taxpayers isn't on the line. Jack can demand whatever he pleases without consequence. Harper has to be more broad in his approach, taking into account all the parties involved.

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Poor old Jack. I guess he is asking for too much.

It's easy to be demanding when your government's fiscal responsibility and responsibility to the taxpayers isn't on the line. Jack can demand whatever he pleases without consequence. Harper has to be more broad in his approach, taking into account all the parties involved.

I guess I should have used a smilie.

I agree, Jack can try to demand whatever he wants without consequence.