jbg Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 ...Are you really sure you want to jump into this, jbg? If you really want to help, I'd like to hear your take on partisanship here in general, instead of descending into that arena. I can't comment on all of the posters labelled as "partisan" at the top of this thread, and in general view posts about posters (unless it's some kind of tribute, or mourning if something happens to them and it's posted) as being counterproductive. I personally try to make my posts fact based, though I'll admit there are issues I am emotional about. I cannot be objective about those, and don't pretend to be. Fact: ... *yawn* Time for bed. I wonder how manages pages this will be in the morning, and if there will be any actual intelligent debate... Anyway, good point Geoffrey, but I was using that to refute something else which should be apparent if you've read this entire, sad thread. You have an answer, jbg? I assume you meant "many pages" but mis-typed out of exhaustion. Frankly, unless I know more about a poster's background (something people deliberately and wisely do not divulge) I am not interested in attacking them. People's views are invariably shaped by their experience and their place in a relevant, real-world community, which is generally not for discussion with people who themselves are largely anonymous. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Remiel Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 I was going to post a counter argument to illustrate why your own " emotions & idealisms " are completely idiotic, and blinding you, but you really aren't worth the time. Quote
Figleaf Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 ... is by far our largest problem in Canada and our welfare state. The Frasier Institute says so. [emphasis added] The Fraser Institute! :lol: Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 ... is by far our largest problem in Canada and our welfare state. The Frasier Institute says so. [emphasis added] The Fraser Institute! :lol: Without alienating my brehern on the right, I hope people can see this as another example that there are differences amongst conservatives. I agree that the Fraser Institute is pretty hard core. They definitely don't represent my views, even though I am conservative. While some of the attack from the left types here will dismiss what I just said or belittle it, I hope that those of you who are truly here to debate will believe that I do have qualms about a lot of what the Fraser Institute does. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Black Dog Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 But other than that I'm pretty bad. It's the law of the playground on this board. Without strong voices from the right the likes of GerryHatrick, Black Dog, Who's Doing What?, Black Dog, hiti and saturn would turn this publicly funded message board into an anti-Harper hatefest. I rarely comment on specific federal political issues, seeing as how I'm like, totally non-partisan and all.* I don't talk much on economic issues because they bore me more than American football. My interests are mainly sociological, cultural and geopolitical. Now, I do have a few bete noirs, chiefly bad writing and bad logic (to that list I will add humourless crybabies). And yeah, I think Harpers a putz. But hate? Give over. *Now, being non-partisan isn't, in and of itself, a virtue. Really, all the term non-partisan means is "I do not support any specific political party". That's no badge of honour. One can be non-partisan and totally unprincipled. Or stupid. Somehow people have starte dto use the term to mean "I am not an dogmatist". Which, in most cases, is a lie. I thank you for that. But I hope you see how I pointed out my issues with Black Dog. Yeah, by whining in a thread I haven't even posted to. You're a winner, baby! Quote
Shakeyhands Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 You are the worst of a bad lot RB, there is no denying it. Please show a post where you criticized the CPC. Something like that would be unique to say the least. Post #3 of this thread. (Link) Harper's Government has to work on the environment file. That appears to be a criticism of the Harper Government's record on the environment. Can you please show a post where you praised the CPC. Something like that would be unique to say the least. thats what you think is criticsm? Attack on environmentalists is going a little far. Harper's Government has to work on the environment file. A new environmental plan and minister will be forthcoming in the new year. There is what you said in context, thats not criticsm. Just sayin' Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 thats what you think is criticsm? Attack on environmentalists is going a little far. Harper's Government has to work on the environment file. A new environmental plan and minister will be forthcoming in the new year. There is what you said in context, thats not criticsm. Just sayin' Criticism doesn't have to involve name calling and belittling people. The Government has to work on the environment file. They haven't done a great job on it to this point. Appointing Baird as the new Environment Minister is a step in the right direction. Have you said anything that positive about the Conservatives? Just askin' Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Figleaf Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 Have you said anything that positive about the Conservatives? Just askin' What if someone's analysis indicates to the them that the Conservatives haven't done anything to merit saying anything positive about them. Would it be some kind of issue if such a person never said anything good about them? Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 What if someone's analysis indicates to the them that the Conservatives haven't done anything to merit saying anything positive about them. Would it be some kind of issue if such a person never said anything good about them? This conversation started when somebody asked if I had ever criticized the Conservatives. Which I have. The point was about blind partisanship. Somebody who has never criticized the Conservatives is just as blindely partisan as somebody who has never said anything positive. Are they perfect? No, they deserve some criticism. Are they absolutely terrible? No, they deserve some praise. Anybody whose *analysis* can't agree with that is blindly partisan. On either side of the aisle... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Figleaf Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 What if someone's analysis indicates to the them that the Conservatives haven't done anything to merit saying anything positive about them. Would it be some kind of issue if such a person never said anything good about them? This conversation started when somebody asked if I had ever criticized the Conservatives. Which I have. The point was about blind partisanship. Somebody who has never criticized the Conservatives is just as blindely partisan as somebody who has never said anything positive. Are they perfect? No, they deserve some criticism. Are they absolutely terrible? No, they deserve some praise. Anybody whose *analysis* can't agree with that is blindly partisan. On either side of the aisle... Your comment doesn't seem to respond to my question. You asked Shakey whether s/he ever said anything good about the Conservative Party. I am wondering what your point in asking that was. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 Your comment doesn't seem to respond to my question. You asked Shakey whether s/he ever said anything good about the Conservative Party. I am wondering what your point in asking that was. Because I had been asked if I had ever said something bad (i.e. ever off any critcism) about the Government. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Figleaf Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 Your comment doesn't seem to respond to my question. You asked Shakey whether s/he ever said anything good about the Conservative Party. I am wondering what your point in asking that was. Because I had been asked if I had ever said something bad (i.e. ever off any critcism) about the Government. I know what precipitated your question. What I am asking now is what your point was. And you're not answering. Try making a direct response to this: What if someone's analysis indicates to the them that the Conservatives haven't done anything to merit saying anything positive about them. Would it be some kind of issue if such a person never said anything good about them? Quote
Shakeyhands Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 Have you said anything that positive about the Conservatives? Just askin' Interesting. I'm glad that they have done this, though I suspect its only to further dismantle any skeletons in the lead up to a spring election call. I must say that the more I read and discuss the CPC's economic platform the more intrigued I am. Perhaps you missed this in a reply to you on the 27th.... I'd say thats a VERY positive thing to say, you ever say anything positive about the Liberals? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Canadian Blue Posted January 4, 2007 Report Posted January 4, 2007 Black Dog brings intelligent debate here, I haven't had a problem with BD yet. I still wish he was posting in the 9/11 forum's. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Shakeyhands Posted January 5, 2007 Report Posted January 5, 2007 Have you said anything that positive about the Conservatives? Just askin' Interesting. I'm glad that they have done this, though I suspect its only to further dismantle any skeletons in the lead up to a spring election call. I must say that the more I read and discuss the CPC's economic platform the more intrigued I am. Perhaps you missed this in a reply to you on the 27th.... I'd say thats a VERY positive thing to say, you ever say anything positive about the Liberals? still waiting for your response here Ricki, ever say anything positive about the Liberals here? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 5, 2007 Report Posted January 5, 2007 still waiting for your response here Ricki, ever say anything positive about the Liberals here? I have said that Paul Martin was a very good finance minister. Not searching through the archives for it though... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
mikedavid00 Posted January 6, 2007 Report Posted January 6, 2007 What if someone's analysis indicates to the them that the Conservatives haven't done anything to merit saying anything positive about them. That's impossible. Every gov't has done something good. The CPC more than any other new gov't in 11 months. If you can't admit to the good things they have done, you're just being biased and partisan. The 1% GST cut was a good thing. Everyone agrees. Why don't you just admit it? I've actually not heard one person call up the radio station and say negative things about harper. The ONLY time I heard negative things was during.. God.. I hate thinking of this.. The damn Lebannon fiasco. I wish that never happened and I hate all 50,000 of the Canadian document holding people in Lebannon. This caused the CPC to tank in polls. I remember previous the headlines where 'If there were to be an election tommorow, the Conservatives would win a majority'. I can't believe some international issue over welfare/healthcare international leeches ruined this gov't in the polling. Quote ---- Charles Anthony banned me for 30 days on April 28 for 'obnoxious libel' when I suggested Jack Layton took part in illegal activities in a message parlor. Claiming a politician took part in illegal activity is not rightful cause for banning and is what is discussed here almost daily in one capacity or another. This was really a brownshirt style censorship from a moderator on mapleleafweb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1oGB-BKdZg---
mikedavid00 Posted January 6, 2007 Report Posted January 6, 2007 still waiting for your response here Ricki, ever say anything positive about the Liberals here? I have said that Paul Martin was a very good finance minister. Not searching through the archives for it though... I can legitmately say that I do not have 1 single positive thing to say about Trudeau. Not one thing. Quote ---- Charles Anthony banned me for 30 days on April 28 for 'obnoxious libel' when I suggested Jack Layton took part in illegal activities in a message parlor. Claiming a politician took part in illegal activity is not rightful cause for banning and is what is discussed here almost daily in one capacity or another. This was really a brownshirt style censorship from a moderator on mapleleafweb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1oGB-BKdZg---
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 6, 2007 Report Posted January 6, 2007 I can legitmately say that I do not have 1 single positive thing to say about Trudeau. Not one thing. He bagged tons of chicks in his single days... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
geoffrey Posted January 6, 2007 Report Posted January 6, 2007 I can legitmately say that I do not have 1 single positive thing to say about Trudeau. Not one thing. He bagged tons of chicks in his single days... The flower on his suits was pretty stylish. I love the convertible. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Canadian Blue Posted January 6, 2007 Report Posted January 6, 2007 Apparently he was a virgin until his late twenties. Plus Barbara Streisand isn't really all that great. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
geoffrey Posted January 6, 2007 Report Posted January 6, 2007 Apparently he was a virgin until his late twenties. Plus Barbara Streisand isn't really all that great. I sincerly find that hard to believe. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 6, 2007 Report Posted January 6, 2007 I sincerly find that hard to believe. No doubt... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Who's Doing What? Posted January 6, 2007 Report Posted January 6, 2007 Apparently he was a virgin until his late twenties. Plus Barbara Streisand isn't really all that great. I sincerly find that hard to believe. No seriously, Streisand is really nothing impressive. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
geoffrey Posted January 6, 2007 Report Posted January 6, 2007 No seriously, Streisand is really nothing impressive. It's not the person you should care about... It's their status. Sheesh. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
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