Partisanship

[MightyAC]

Anyone else sick of partisanship? I am. I hate the posturing by Ricki Bobbi, Scribblet, hiti, gerry, etc. Most of us lean left or right but we can still debate issues outside of party lines. Every PM makes mistakes but lets debate issues honestly. Despite the fact that I disagree with many of the posts made by guys like Figleaf, bobbin, August, CharlesA, etc they make actual points when they post, they don’t simply trumpet a party slogan. I think we can all learn from their example and avoid the simple troll type posts.. C’mon, lets makes this place interesting, not just a propaganda outlet. please..pretty please, with sugar on it. Not that lossing my attendance is any big loss...but I imagine many feel the same.

[mikedavid00]

I think we can all learn from their example and avoid the simple troll type posts..

Well 30% off people here on a poll said they were a card carying member of a political party.

I don't like the Liberals, Conservative, or NDP. I don't like any of them. I find the CPC the lesser of the evils.

I have a fundemantal difference as to how the country is run poltiically so I guess I'll never support a party unless it strives to 'reform' the gov't and status quo. Ah yes.. that would be the 'reform' party.. the last party I supported.

There's a good chunk of people that need to be told what to think and they will post along those lines.

I find that the majority of these people are Liberal supporters. I don't think I've ever seen a CPC supporter not critisize their party.

[Who's Doing What?]

I would like to see it happen, but I doubt it ever will.

Most members are labeled within a few posts of coming here of being right or left wing. How stupid is that? Is anyone truly totally liberal or totally conservative on every subject?

Just because I am in favour of daycare and healthcare does it mean I can't support our troops?

Am I allowed to be for the war in Afghanistan but against the war in Iraq?

Why can't I be for capital punishment but against a GST cut?

The ones who cannot see past the party colours, are the ones who ruin any chance of meaningful debate on these boards.

[Who's Doing What?]

I don't think I've ever seen a CPC supporter not critisize their party.

That is some funny s***!

Thanks I needed that.

[geoffrey]

I voted CPC and had no issues with being firmly against 60% of their policies that they've come up with since gaining government. I also just happen to be 70% against the Liberal ideas so I'm kind of stuck.

You can support a party and not be a partisan, I really don't think many would call me a partisan (I get attacked from gerryhatrick and Ricki Bobbi in the same thread at times ), but I am a member of the PC Party in Alberta and a relucant member of the CPC nationally (though that might change).

Supporting Harper in some choices doesn't make you a hack, but ruthless condemnation (or support) definitely does.

[Ricki Bobbi]

I don't think I've ever seen a CPC supporter not critisize their party.

That is some funny s***!

Thanks I needed that.

Ahhh four posts in to prove the OP's point.

The blind partisanship starts right away.

As the first person singled out by the OP I can honestly say that I have criticized my party.

Hey, it takes two to tango....

MightyAC you are more than free to start your own board.

[Who's Doing What?]

I don't think I've ever seen a CPC supporter not critisize their party.

That is some funny s***!

Thanks I needed that.

A four posts in to prove the OP's point.

The blind partisanship starts right away.

As the first person singled out by the OP I can honestly say that I have criticized my party.

Hey, it takes two to tango....

MightyAC you are more than free to start your own board.

You are the worst of a bad lot RB, there is no denying it.

Please show a post where you criticized the CPC. Something like that would be unique to say the least.

[Ricki Bobbi]

You are the worst of a bad lot RB, there is no denying it.

Please show a post where you criticized the CPC. Something like that would be unique to say the least.

Post #3 of this thread. (Link)

Harper's Government has to work on the environment file.

That appears to be a criticism of the Harper Government's record on the environment.

Can you please show a post where you praised the CPC. Something like that would be unique to say the least.

[Remiel]

First of all, don't forget to add... to add... . o O ( Don't bait the troll. Don't bait the troll! )

There must be something really wrong with you if you would shower actual praise on ANY of our political parties. Taken as groups, they just aren't worthy.

Anyway, I know where you are coming from, AC. Some of my most ill-advisted, poorly thought out threads came from this same kind of sentiment (as Charles and betsy could attest to). The kind of garbage that gets spewed can make it very... trying... to not call certain posters certain things, that, though they may be true, would certainly get you banned (with good reason, I suppose).

I can admit that I don't string my thoughts together very well, and I usually post from a leftist or federalist viewpoint, but I like a lot of posters with wildly different but intelligently considered viewpoints.

Lastly, what does all this talk of partisanship have to do with whether one is from France? (Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

[Shakeyhands]

From this threads title, I thought it was about the French Navy!!!

[Big Blue Machine]

I would like to point out that;

-I don't think that liberals are "the enemy".

-I think a dose of liberalism/revolution once in a while is a healthy thing.

-I went to a liberal fundraiser at my university for the university delegates going to montreal (I am the campus conservative vp of finance). I ate some cookes and give $5 to their cause, because they are nice people.

But I would have voted conservative if I was able to vote in the last election.

[geoffrey]

Did you just say revolution was a nice thing?

[Ricki Bobbi]

I would like to point out that;

-I don't think that liberals are "the enemy".

-I think a dose of liberalism/revolution once in a while is a healthy thing.

-I went to a liberal fundraiser at my university for the university delegates going to montreal (I am the campus conservative vp of finance). I ate some cookes and give $5 to their cause, because they are nice people.

But I would have voted conservative if I was able to vote in the last election.

I've still got friends from all parties from back in my undergrad days. Let's just say that was back before the right was united. Friends from both sides of the cosnervative aisle, a few Liberals and NDPers.

The problem with an anonymous message board is so many people use it as a chance to show their nastier side because there is no fear of social repercussions.

I am just as guilty as the next person to an extent.

I don't start threads to bait people with. GerryHatrick, Black Dog, hiti, and saturn from the left; mikedavid00 from the right are all guilty of that.

But other than that I'm pretty bad. It's the law of the playground on this board. Without strong voices from the right the likes of GerryHatrick, Black Dog, Who's Doing What?, Black Dog, hiti and saturn would turn this publicly funded message board into an anti-Harper hatefest.

The uneven way in which the board is moderating doesn't help. I know this may get me in trouble, but it is the truth. Sporadiac "lockdowns", uneven enforcement of the rules and preferential treatment towards posters who behave sychophantically to the powers that be leads to some people getting away with things that go far, far past the rules of the board.

A tone of civility has to start at the top.

[Remiel]

Funny, I was thinking that without a strong voice from the Left, this place would become an unhindered hatefest of another kind.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Funny, I was thinking that without a strong voice from the Left, this place would become an unhindered hatefest of another kind.

Please do support statement.

[Remiel]

Why? I am under no obligation to support my observation which is more or less the equivalent of your also completely unsupported statement.

I don't even see why you include Black Dog on your list. I can agree with gerry and hiti, but Black Dog? That would be like me equating jbg to mikedavid or Jerry.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Why? I am under no obligation to support my observation which is more or less the equivalent of your also completely unsupported statement.

I don't even see why you include Black Dog on your list. I can agree with gerry and hiti, but Black Dog? That would be like me equating jbg to mikedavid or Jerry.

The raison d'etre for this thread comes from the OP. He is sick of posturing. Without supporting your statment then stating you are *under no obligation* you are just posturing. Just being partisan.

Are you trying to be ironic with your posts?

Why black dog? (Remember this is a thread presumably started to talk about the bad aspects to partisanship.)

Here's one:

Geez, who needs the CBC to perpetuate dumb redneck stereotypes when so many others will do it for them?

Here's another:

I must say that it's funny seeing how quickly the righties lapse into politically correct hysteria over soemthing so silly.

And this gem mocking the legitimate issue people have with paying for the CBC and its agenda.

You're not being forced to watch any CBC programs either. Just pay for it.

And this one contributed to civilized debate how?

As for the whining from privileged white males about a double standard: it's bullshit.

[Canadian Blue]

I think Gerry and Norman Chatuea have been banned for a month, they were the most partisan of the bunch.

Catchme, Saturn, and Ricki Bobbi, are overly partisan, it's easy to point out.

Even lets say on the execution of Saddam Hussein I agreed with many on the left, however most of the debate was irrational and claims that had no logic behind them.

[Remiel]

But how can you not see that this:

But other than that I'm pretty bad. It's the law of the playground on this board. Without strong voices from the right the likes of GerryHatrick, Black Dog, Who's Doing What?, Black Dog, hiti and saturn would turn this publicly funded message board into an anti-Harper hatefest.

The uneven way in which the board is moderating doesn't help. I know this may get me in trouble, but it is the truth. Sporadiac "lockdowns", uneven enforcement of the rules and preferential treatment towards posters who behave sychophantically to the powers that be leads to some people getting away with things that go far, far past the rules of the board.

A tone of civility has to start at the top.

Was posturing?

[bk59]

There is a perfect example of why actual debate is so hard to find here.

Person A says: This board would become a left wing love-in without a strong right voice.

Person B says: This board would become a right wing love-in without a strong left voice.

Then Person A demands that Person B must support their statement.

What?!?

How can someone demand that evidence be given when they did not provide any evidence for their own, equal, statement?

Those are opinions, neither of which are going to be proven to the other person's satisfaction.

I realize that this isn't partisanship, but it does show why real debate is hard to find.

[Catchme]

Catchme, Saturn, and Ricki Bobbi, are overly partisan, it's easy to point out.

Even lets say on the execution of Saddam Hussein I agreed with many on the left, however most of the debate was irrational and claims that had no logic behind them.

You are not partisan C Blue?

I am not !

[Ricki Bobbi]

But how can you not see that this:

But other than that I'm pretty bad. It's the law of the playground on this board. Without strong voices from the right the likes of GerryHatrick, Black Dog, Who's Doing What?, Black Dog, hiti and saturn would turn this publicly funded message board into an anti-Harper hatefest.

The uneven way in which the board is moderating doesn't help. I know this may get me in trouble, but it is the truth. Sporadiac "lockdowns", uneven enforcement of the rules and preferential treatment towards posters who behave sychophantically to the powers that be leads to some people getting away with things that go far, far past the rules of the board.

A tone of civility has to start at the top.

Was posturing?

The part in italics was definitely posturing.

The part in bold wasn't posturing at all.

I never complained about posturing. I said that the op complained about posturing.

[mikedavid00]

You are the worst of a bad lot RB, there is no denying it.

Please show a post where you criticized the CPC. Something like that would be unique to say the least.

He has in many posts.

I don't think i've seen the liberal supporters ever once critisize the liberal agenda once.

[Remiel]

You accused me of posturing for not supporting my statement and pointing out you had not supported your statement in a preceding post. If I was posturing, it certainly seemed to me like you were posturing AND being hypocritical.

[Ricki Bobbi]

You are the worst of a bad lot RB, there is no denying it.

Please show a post where you criticized the CPC. Something like that would be unique to say the least.

He has in many posts.

I don't think i've seen the liberal supporters ever once critisize the liberal agenda once.

Thank you. WDW says I'm the worst of a bad lot and asks me to show a post where I criticized the CPC.

I do it and not a word .... very interesting.