Saturn Posted December 31, 2006 Report Posted December 31, 2006 One of these days a PM will say, "When I was in the Opposition, I criticized So-and-so for this! We are not going to turn around and do the same thing!" Then again, I am probably just living in a fantasy world That's all Harper is doing - saying it. Said it in opposition, said it government, did nothing to the effect. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted December 31, 2006 Report Posted December 31, 2006 I've seen them do only one reasonable thing and I wasn't around at the time to praise them for it. The rest of the time they take some reasonable steps which are preceded by so much hype and so much exaggeration that when delivered they look so pathetic and fall so short of expectations that they are nothing but a disappointment. Overall, the CPC acts the same as the old Libs and their big claims are nothing but hot air and hypocrisy. I have nothing good to say about that. Buy you aren't an ideologue. The Conservatives have just been wrong on *everything* they have done but one. And you can't even bring yourself to say what that one reasonable thing was. No not an ideologue at all... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Fortunata Posted December 31, 2006 Report Posted December 31, 2006 Argus wrote: And so, when those of you who have supported these people throughout all that, through the corruption, the lies, the deceit and arrogance, and who still support them attack the Tories for piddling little errors of no real importance it simply brings to light, for me, your lack of awareness, of knowledge, of political sophistication - or basic stupidity. And when those of you, meaning you Argus, realize I don't support any government at all because I think they are hopeless ineptitudes that will do what they do for the next vote and not the betterment of the country, then I will stop thinking of your lack of awareness, of knowledge, of political sophistication - or basic stupidity. Not everybody supports a Party. Because, guess what? No party is all the answer. There is NO PERFECT. You couch your comments with, I had hope for the Liberals, they disappointed me etc. but it is clear to me that it easy to type comments without feeling them. Quote
jbg Posted December 31, 2006 Report Posted December 31, 2006 Buy you aren't an ideologue.The Conservatives have just been wrong on *everything* they have done but one. And you can't even bring yourself to say what that one reasonable thing was. No not an ideologue at all... Buy Boy you aren't an ideologue. (I'm an equal opportunity correcter). Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Ricki Bobbi Posted December 31, 2006 Report Posted December 31, 2006 Buy Boy you aren't an ideologue. (I'm an equal opportunity correcter). Actually I meant but. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Who's Doing What? Posted December 31, 2006 Report Posted December 31, 2006 Buy you aren't an ideologue. Don't let your buddy Argus see this or he will think you are uneducated and mentally challenged. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Ricki Bobbi Posted December 31, 2006 Report Posted December 31, 2006 Don't let your buddy Argus see this or he will think you are uneducated and mentally challenged. He hasn't said that, probably based on the toality of my posts. You on the other hand .... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Fortunata Posted December 31, 2006 Report Posted December 31, 2006 Buy you aren't an ideologue. Don't let your buddy Argus see this or he will think you are uneducated and mentally challenged. LOL Quote
Saturn Posted December 31, 2006 Report Posted December 31, 2006 Buy you aren't an ideologue. Don't let your buddy Argus see this or he will think you are uneducated and mentally challenged. Don't need Argus' analysis to come to that conclusion. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted December 31, 2006 Report Posted December 31, 2006 Buy you aren't an ideologue. Don't let your buddy Argus see this or he will think you are uneducated and mentally challenged. Don't need Argus' analysis to come to that conclusion. So you are calling Argus pedantic with respect to his tactics over typos yet using the same tactics when it comes to somebody who doesn't buy your Liberal agenda? Only a Liberal could justify such hypocrisy! Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
jbg Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 Only a Liberal could justify such hypocrisy! It isn't hypcrisy; "Big L" (as opposed to "little l") Liberals have no principles. And most people who call themselves "little l" liberals have no clue what that label means. They have no idea who Adam Smith, John Locke or the others who put liberalism as a great philosophy on the map even are. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Saturn Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 Don't let your buddy Argus see this or he will think you are uneducated and mentally challenged. Don't need Argus' analysis to come to that conclusion. So you are calling Argus pedantic with respect to his tactics over typos yet using the same tactics when it comes to somebody who doesn't buy your Liberal agenda? No, what I said had a very different meaning from what you understood because your brain was unable to process and interpret it correctly. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 No, what I said had a very different meaning from what you understood because your brain was unable to process and interpret it correctly. If you were here to debate you'd clarify. But you are just here to insult and put people down. Have fun and a happy new year! Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
jbg Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 No, what I said had a very different meaning from what you understood because your brain was unable to process and interpret it correctly. Who don't you insult? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Who's Doing What? Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 If you were here to debate you'd clarify. But you are just here to insult and put people down. So you don't like it when people play your own game back to you? Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 So you don't like it when people play your own game back to you? No, I'm here to debate. You aren't. I do applaud you for the school house argument "I know you are but what am I." You sir are a true scholar! Happy new year! Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Argus Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 Argus, you conservative types criticized the Liberals over all things just because they were Liberals No, I did not. I'm not an ideologue. Come on, Argus, you are one of the biggest ideologues I've seen around. You wouldn't recognize it if the Conservatives robbed you blind. Screaming about Liberal waste and excusing Conservative waste is certainly not based on logic. From what I've seen of your writing it is not clear to me you have any idea what an ideology is. Your posts are always far more laden with emotionalisms than any real logic or political point. I am not committed to any ideology. I'd embrace Communism or Fascism if I thought they would work. But the evidence is they do not, and are far too open to abuse. I could even support a monarchy, with the presumption there were checks and balances to ensure those in power were well trained, able and caring. My dislike of Liberals and of today's version of liberalism has more to do with observation, common sense, and disdain for hypocrisy than commitment to a conservative ideology. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 Argus wrote: And so, when those of you who have supported these people throughout all that, through the corruption, the lies, the deceit and arrogance, and who still support them attack the Tories for piddling little errors of no real importance it simply brings to light, for me, your lack of awareness, of knowledge, of political sophistication - or basic stupidity. And when those of you, meaning you Argus, realize I don't support any government at all because I think they are hopeless ineptitudes that will do what they do for the next vote and not the betterment of the country, then I will stop thinking of your lack of awareness, of knowledge, of political sophistication - or basic stupidity. Not everybody supports a Party. Because, guess what? No party is all the answer. There is NO PERFECT. Politics is never about perfect answers. Politics is often about picking the least-worse choice. In either event, it is certainly about choosing. If you don't choose then you're not part of the process, just an observer on the sidelines. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Topaz Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 IF the expenses don't get your blood going through the roof, wait and watch C-Pac and see how they defend themselves on it. I imagine it will be Baird and he will turn it around and make the Liberals the bad guys with 13 years of stealing from the Canadians voters! Everytime, someone brings up their spending , they send jester Baird in to make jokes and turn it around on the Libs and they NEVER answer the question!! Bring on the election and we'll save money by doing it!! Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 Everytime, someone brings up their spending , they send jester Baird in to make jokes and turn it around on the Libs and they NEVER answer the question!! Bring on the election and we'll save money by doing it!! Your respectful tone in referring to a cabinet minister is telling. Minister Baird turns it around on the Liberals because the Liberals were corrupted and wasted hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars. C'mon Liberals lets make the next election about corruption. Puh lease. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Fortunata Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 Politics is never about perfect answers. Politics is often about picking the least-worse choice. In either event, it is certainly about choosing. If you don't choose then you're not part of the process, just an observer on the sidelines. Don't lecture me or get on your higher than thou horse because some don't "choose" your brand of politics or parties. I have "chosen" in every election at every level since I have been old enough to vote; I would bet that you would ridicule my decision "processes" because it wouldn't match yours. Quote
Wilber Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 I don't want cabinet ministers flying economy when they are on official business. I want them in good shape when they get there. How important the business and the size of the entourage is open to debate. MP's and Senators have always flown business class between their homes and Ottawa. Out west, Chretien was criticized for spending twice as much time in Florida and the Caribbean during his mandate, than he did west of the Ontario border. Bring on the election and we'll save money by doing it!! The 2000 Federal election cost the taxpayers over 200 million. That doesn't cover the cost to the country of legislation that died the day the election was called and the cost of not having a government until a new one is formed. I don't imagine it has got less expensive since then. For what, other than political advantage? Bring on fixed election dates. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 Bring on the election and we'll save money by doing it!! The 2000 Federal election cost the taxpayers over 200 million. That doesn't cover the cost to the country of legislation that died the day the election was called and the cost of not having a government until a new one is formed. I don't imagine it has got less expensive since then. For what, other than political advantage? Bring on fixed election dates. Wilber, very good points but... You are wasting your effort. The Liberals know that part of the reason they lost last January was their fiscal irresponsibility and blatant theft via Adscam. So the less-analytical types, like Topaz, turn into *attack on money* mode. Your logic and reason are lost on them. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Saturn Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 So you don't like it when people play your own game back to you? No, I'm here to debate. Your "debate" is well below the level of anything that could possibly be called a "debate". Now that you've lost any credibility and it is clear that you are here to yell, you get the same in return. You get whatever you ask for. Quote
Saturn Posted January 1, 2007 Report Posted January 1, 2007 My dislike of Liberals and of today's version of liberalism has more to do with observation, common sense, and disdain for hypocrisy than commitment to a conservative ideology. That's the problem - you are so biased by your "dislike of Liberals and of today's version of liberalism" that you seem to be loosing your clear judgement. Whether it is conservative ideology or dislike of liberalism, it is still inflexible and biased view, not logic. Quote
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