A Religion Of Love

[KrustyKidd]

Got to wonder, is whatever Cretien has contagious?

Malaysia’s Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad figures that Jews are running the world. He told an Islamic summit in Malaysia the other day that Muslims should start using brains rather than brawn to defeat Israel, accused the Jewish people of increasing arrogance, and said this could be exploited to promote the cause of the Muslim people of the world.

“The Europeans killed six million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy,” he told his audience. I guess that I'm an idiot as I thought for a minute that Arabs are still killing Jews but poor man, and me too I guess because now I find out the reason I'm not rich is because the Jew keeps me at a salary cap of a hundred twenty grand. Even those kids in Jerusalem Pizza Parlors that get blown up are guilty in his racist mind. Maybe we need some white supremists to set these rag heads straight.

Anyhow, after affirming that the Holocost actually did happen and losing points with Zundel this progressive head of state realised that he basicly made himself look like a white guy who said nigger and had his appoligist show how he, like the rest of the culturally sensitive muslim world didn't mean anything bad. He explained the the PM's comments. This is somewhat in sinc whith the leftist view of what is going on I figure and when called on the carpet for questioning Malaysian foreign minister Syed Hamid Albar said “Islam has never advocated being anti anybody, including the Jews,” then adding “The only problem with the Jews is when the state of Israel was created,” LOL. Glad he explained that. For a minute I thought he was a bit of a racist like his asshole boss.

Anyhow, Israel offers land for peace, and in return the Palistinian authority says they will try to stop terrorists. Good deal. Wouldn't want anybody to actually stop terrorism, might make peace break out. We have the US running around trying to make sure that Muslims are not victims of hate crimes and here we have a Muslim head of state talking to an Islamic conference (with applause) saying that Jews are the problem.

Only thing missing is Lowenbrau.

Sieg Allah mien Ayatollah!

[cknykid]

I will not enumerate the instances of our humiliation

and oppression, nor will I once again condemn our

detractors and oppressors. It would be an exercise in

futility because they are not going to change their

attitudes just because we condemn them. If we are to

recover our dignity and that of Islam, our religion, it

is we who must decide, it is we who must act. To begin with, the Governments of all the Muslim countries can close ranks and have a common stand if not on all issues, at least on some major ones, such as on Palestine. We are all Muslims. We are all oppressed. We

are all being humiliated. Today we, the whole Muslim ummah are treated with contempt and dishonor. Our religion is denigrated. Our holy places desecrated. Our countries are occupied. Our people starved and killed. None of our countries are truly independent. We are under pressure to conform to our oppressors' wishes about how we should behave, how we should govern our lands, how we should think even. Today if they want to raid our country, kill our people, destroy our villages and towns, there is nothing substantial that we can do. Our only reaction is to become more and angrier. Angry people cannot think properly. And so we find some of our people reacting irrationally. They launch their own attacks, killing just about anybody including fellow Muslims to vent their anger and frustration. Their Governments can do nothing to stop them. The enemy retaliates and puts more pressure on the Governments. And the Governments have no choice but to give in, to accept the directions of the enemy, literally to give up their independence of action. With this their people and the ummah become angrier and turn against their own Governments. Every attempt at a peaceful solution is sabotaged by more indiscriminate attacks calculated to anger the enemy and prevent any peaceful settlement. But the attacks solve nothing. The Muslims simply get more oppressed. But is it true that we should do and can do nothing for ourselves? Is it true that 1.3 billion people can exert no power to save themselves from the humiliation and oppression inflicted upon them by a much smaller enemy? Can they only lash back blindly in anger? Is there no other way than to ask our young people to blow

themselves up and kill people and invite the massacre of more of our own people? It cannot be that there is no other way. 1.3 billion Muslims cannot be defeated by a few million Jews. There

must be a way. And we can only find a way if we stop to think, to assess our weaknesses and our strength, to

plan, to strategize and then to counter attack. If we use the faculty to think then we should know that we are acting irrationally.

We fight without any objective, without any goal other

than to hurt the enemy because they hurt us. Naively we

expect them to surrender. We sacrifice lives

unnecessarily, achieving nothing other than to attract

more massive retaliation and humiliation. It is surety time that we pause to think. But will this be wasting time? For well over half a century we have fought over Palestine. What have we achieved?

Nothing. We are worse off than before. If we had paused

to think then we could have devised a plan, a strategy

that can win us final victory. Pausing and thinking

calmly is not a waste of time. We have a need to make a

strategic retreat and to calmly assess our situation. We are actually very strong. 1.3 billion People cannot be simply wiped out. The Europeans killed 6 million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them. We may not be able to do that. We may not be able to unite all the 1.3 billion Muslims. We may not be able to get all the Muslim Governments to act in concert. But even if we can get a third of the ummah and a third of the Muslim states to act together, we can already do

something. It is winning the struggle that is important, not angry retaliation, not revenge. But the defense of the ummah, the counter attack need not start only after we have put our houses in order. Even today we have sufficient assets to deploy against our detractors. It remains for us to identify them and to work out how to make use of them to stop the carnage caused by the enemy. This is entirely possible if we stop to think, to plan, to strategize and to take the first few critical steps. Even these few steps can yield positive results. I am aware that all these ideas will not be popular. Those who are angry would want to reject it out of hand. They would even want to silence anyone who makes or supports this line of action. They would want to send more young men and women to make the supreme sacrifice. But where will all these lead to? The enemy will probably welcome these proposals and we will conclude that the promoters are working for the enemy. But think. We are up against a people who think. They survived 2000 years of pogroms not by hitting back, but by thinking. They invented and successfully promoted Socialism, Communism, human rights and democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so they may enjoy equal rights with others. With these they have now gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny community, have become a world power. We cannot fight them through brawn alone. We must use our brains also.

[KrustyKidd]

We have a need to make a

strategic retreat and to calmly assess our situation. We are actually very strong. 1.3 billion People cannot be simply wiped out. The Europeans killed 6 million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them. We may not be able to do that. We may not be able to unite all the 1.3 billion Muslims. We may not be able to get all the Muslim Governments to act in concert. But even if we can get a third of the ummah and a third of the Muslim states to act together, we can already do

something. It is winning the struggle that is important, not angry retaliation, not revenge. But the defense of the ummah, the counter attack need not start only after we have put our houses in order. Even today we have sufficient assets to deploy against our detractors. It remains for us to identify them and to work out how to make use of them to stop the carnage caused by the enemy. This is entirely possible if we stop to think, to plan, to strategize and to take the first few critical steps. Even these few steps can yield positive results. I am aware that all these ideas will not be popular. Those who are angry would want to reject it out of hand. They would even want to silence anyone who makes or supports this line of action. They would want to send more young men and women to make the supreme sacrifice. But where will all these lead to? The enemy will probably welcome these proposals and we will conclude that the promoters are working for the enemy. But think. We are up against a people who think. They survived 2000 years of pogroms not by hitting back, but by thinking. They invented and successfully promoted Socialism, Communism, human rights and democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so they may enjoy equal rights with others. With these they have now gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny community, have become a world power. We cannot fight them through brawn alone. We must use our brains also

Yep, a racist from the land of peace. Only the headgear separates him from a skinhead.

It does not behove this bloated septic system to actually blame any of the problems he and his holy brothers have on antiquidated political systems or on fact that the religion itself keeps them from progressing into the 21st century of prosperity by keeping a medival thought and culture as the focal point for their life. A religion that was formed in a desert when there were less than a few million people who werre across the earth at that time. He seems to miss the point that today there is more than six billion people and things are not the same. Better to blame it on the evil Jew.

As an aside, I didn't know that the Jew invented all forms of politics. For example I thought democracy was brought forth from ancient Greece. Socialism from Carl Marx and so on. This is another of the little devious things that racists do; rewrite history. He and his kind should call a spade a spade and shave their heads and carve a swastika on their forehead.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear KK,

I would think that 'socialism', at least Mr. Marx's vision, would have been akin to the 'hunter-gatherer' portion of early human development. Those that could hunt, did, those that couldn't hunt, gathered, and the community benefitted. (From each according to his ability, yada yada)

Marx only tried to apply this to modern industrialization, but he certainly didn't invent 'sharing'.

With respect to Judaism, they certainly did contribute to human development, both politically and economically. They were one of the first monotheistic religions, certainly the first 'big one'.

Mind you, the Jewish 'date of creation' is reckoned to be 3760 B.C., while copper smelting was taking place about 2000 yrs before that!. Judaism, founded by Abraham, (or Ibrahim, according to the Koran) was in about 1700 B.C. I'm sure most of the 'social structures' of society, monarchies, democracy, socialism and communism were dabbled with in some form by that time.

[KrustyKidd]

Thank you for that enlightening correction Lonius. Hope you had a great weekend.

Now, back to regular ranting.

[FastNed]

Oh, cknykid, I am just reduced to tears!!!!!

A Seventh Century warrior religion which terrorized and conquered the West from the Seventh through the Fifteenth Centuries (1483 or thereabouts) is p1ssing and moaning they ain't got no respect - such a pity!

From all this P & M'ing, it's quite obvious that some of those who follow this religion can not understand why we refuse to convert, submit to Islam or die - for these are the precepts of your religion and the only choice they offer to non-believers!

In your wet dreams, sucker!

Obviously, the last seven hundred years of lack of progress have taught these Islamic radicals exactly nothing! Why the rest of us should understand that women are nothing but possessions - that is if they follow Islam but if they do not, they are but whores to be taken by any true believer. I'm gonna send the Whabbi's a donation and rush right out and buy a Koran! Yeah, sure - and the moon is made of green cheese.

These radicals have perverted and polluted the religion of Islam and unless those who believe purge these radicals, then the "unthinkable" becomes a necessity. If the choice offered remains convert, submit or die - then it shall not be the West which dies.

[Morgan]

Jacques Chirac's follow-up action was rather unfortunate, to say the least. In light of the tepid response from Chirac to Mahathir's speech, it's no wonder that cases of anti-Semitism are on the rise in France.

http://news.yahoo.com/?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20...lamic_summit_16

At their own summit in Brussels, Belgium, European Union leaders had drafted a harshly worded statement condemning Mahathir's remarks, but French President Jacques Chirac blocked the wording from becoming a part of a final declaration.

The text had said Mahathir's "unacceptable comments hinder all our efforts to further interethnic and religious harmony, and have no place in a decent world. Such false and anti-Semitic remarks are as offensive to Muslims as they are to others."

Chirac, however, said there was no place in an EU declaration for such a text. EU leaders compromised by having Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi criticize Mahathir at his closing news conference. Officials said the draft text also would be issued as a separate statement and would be posted on the EU presidency Web site.

[SirRiff]

what can you expect with that audience? every corrupt arab puppet regime on earth was there.

they just like to blame jews then go back to their luxory lifestyle.

sirriff

[Cameron]

they just like to blame jews then go back to their luxory lifestyle.

sirriff

Typical hypocrites

[Neal.F.]

Oh, cknykid, I am just reduced to tears!!!!!

A Seventh Century warrior religion which terrorized and conquered the West from the Seventh through the Fifteenth Centuries (1483 or thereabouts) is p1ssing and moaning they ain't got no respect - such a pity!

From all this P & M'ing, it's quite obvious that some of those who follow this religion can not understand why we refuse to convert, submit to Islam or die - for these are the precepts of your religion and the only choice they offer to non-believers!

In your wet dreams, sucker!

Obviously, the last seven hundred years of lack of progress have taught these Islamic radicals exactly nothing! Why the rest of us should understand that women are nothing but possessions - that is if they follow Islam but if they do not, they are but whores to be taken by any true believer.  I'm gonna send the Whabbi's a donation and rush right out and buy a Koran! Yeah, sure - and the moon is made of green cheese.

These radicals have perverted and polluted the religion of Islam and unless those who believe purge these radicals, then the "unthinkable" becomes a necessity. If the choice offered remains convert, submit or die - then it shall not be the West which dies.

Fast Ned,

I read your post with interest. Thankfully, there is the United States of America which still stands for something I was sent an article this morning about a trend in Europe to convert to Islam...voluntarily.....

The militant secularists have by & large succeeded in eradicating western Europe's Christian Heritage.

The fear of many Christian apologists appears to be coming true...Humans are generally spiritual beings and when people cease to believe in the true God, the problem is not that they'll believe nothing, but rather that they'll believe ANYTHING. And into the vaccuum left by the eradication of Christianity, comes Islam to fill it.

It is fashionable to hate the United States in Western Europe, and professing the Islamic faith is one way to manifest that hatred.

This is why the Cghristian heritage in the western hemisphere MUST be preserved from all assaults. The result will be first, atheism, then something else, probably Islam, will come and fill the spirtual void.

If it becomes really fashionable in Old Europe to convert to Islam, so it will among Liberals over here. Unless the all-out assault on Christianity is halted, Canada if it continues on the craven path it has followed for most of the last 40 years, may well become Islamic one day.

I think back to Jan Sobieski leading his Poles in the rout of the Ottomans at the gates of Vienna in 1683, a campaign , which if it had failed would have seen the star & crescent flying over Paris, Berlin & Madrid. Is there a strong enough element in Europe right now to head off this stealthy Muslim invasion? Perhaps.... It is the tiny state of Vatican City where a Pole currently holds sway, and perhaps Poland itself, Christendom's strongest bastion in Europe.

[cknykid]

Malaysian Prime Minister Mahatir called a spade a spade when he spoke of the expansive power of the Jews in global politics and, of course, aroused the usual condemnations from the Euro-Christian world — which suffers from the guilt of the Jewish pogroms (especially in Russia) throughout its history and which culminated in the Holocaust with the Nazis and their collaborators indulging in the massacre of six million Jews. Since then, the Arabs in particular, and the Muslim world in general has had to pay the price for this Euro-Christian crime and their efforts at atonement after 1945 — beginning with the establishment of the state of Israel on Palestinian land. While no Muslim state or leader had a hand in the Holocaust, it is Muslims who paid, and continue to pay the price for this event. So no one now talks of the Israeli massacres of Palestinians or of Israel’s WMD stocks. The influence of the Jewish lobby on US politics is never criticized just as the impact of this lobby on the neo-conservatives presently holding power in the US is not questioned. And so when a Muslim leader condemns this disproportionate influence of this lobby, there is the usual outburst of criticism form the expected quarters. One could give a little more credence to such criticism if one saw the same amount of angst when Christian leaders abuse Islam and Muslims in the vilest terms.

[KrustyKidd]

Tell me Ckny, how does the Jew keep Saudi Arabia down? How has the Jew kept Iraq in poverty and turmoil? What Jew runs Canada? How does the Jew control Lybia? Egypt? Yemen? What does the Jew have to do with Malaysia? The country is thousands of miles away from the nearest Menorah for crying out loud!

Just please, give me some hard examples, none of the gereralized "oppressed peoples" of this and that crap. Real examples of events (without even goiing into Israel and Palestinians) where some Jew is controling millions of Arabs. And don't do the cop out thing with how the US is controled by the Jew and use that as your whole argument. Show me how it is controlled by the Jew, show me how Wall Street is a puppet of the Jew. Show me how foreign policy is made by the Jew. Show me how the Jew, who wants to take over the earth controls the President. All these Arab countries have little to do with the USA except take Aid from her and mope about the Jew. There must be some very apparent evidence that I have not seen.

[cknykid]

Who organized run on the Malaysian currency, the ringgit, by international financial speculators like George Soros. Henry Kissinger—the man who rivals Pol Pot for the dubious honor of being the person responsible for the death of the largest number of innocent people in South East Asia (and far surpasses Pol Pot in criminality when one factors in Kissinger's various levels of responsibility for wholesale slaughter and repression in other parts of the world)—still wields significant power in the United States; but his role as eager facilitator of mass murder, totalitarian repression and other atrocities is never discussed in polite society. Which lobby supported this war criminal and still puts him on a pedestal. Have a look in his life and distinguished political career. See how many countries were victim of his evil plans. What was he trying to achieve. Who shares his goals and his vision? Please also read my post in Poll: Worldwide Jewish Oppression Of Islam thread and if you want me to list country by country, I’ll be more than happy to give you examples of outside forces trying to create a new world order doing evil.

[KrustyKidd]

CKNY, I am not stupid. I am not very receptive to ranting or rhetoric. Facts and reason are the only things that are going to win me over. I am not trying to be difficult, I am quite receptive to the two afore mentioned things. Not being familiar with any big Jewish conspiracy I await you to spell it out for me piece by factual piece. Name dropping and inuendos will not cut it. You said the Jews are running the Arabs into the ground or running the world or something like that. Report facts, not what you suspect.

See how many countries were victim of his evil plans. What was he trying to achieve.

OK, I'm ready to hear and understand. Which Islamic countries were subject to his evil plans? Remember, don't bother to cite the Palistinian/Israeli problem. That is theirs and thiers alone. It is the rest of Islamic society we are talking about.

[cknykid]

today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them. Few examples

1949: Outsiders back military coup deposing elected government of Syria.

1953: Outsiders help overthrow the democratically elected Mossadeq government in Iran (which had nationalized the British oil company) leading to a quarter century of repressive and dictatorial rule by the Shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlevi.

1956: Israel, Britain, and France invade Egypt. U.S. does not support invasion, but the involvement of its NATO allies severely diminishes Washington's reputation in the region.

1958: U.S. troops land in Lebanon to preserve "stability".

early 1960s: U.S. unsuccessfully attempts assassination of Iraqi leader, Abdul Karim Qassim.

1963: U.S. supports coup by Iraqi Ba'ath party (soon to be headed by Saddam Hussein) and reportedly gives them names of communists to murder, which they do with vigor.

1970: Civil war between Jordan and PLO. Israel and U.S. discuss intervening on side of Jordan if Syria backs PLO.

1973: Airlifted U.S. military aid enables Israel to turn the tide in war with Syria and Egypt.

1973 75: Outsiders supports Kurdish rebels in Iraq. When Iran reaches an agreement with Iraq in 1975 and seals the border, Iraq slaughters Kurds and U.S. denies them refuge. Kissinger secretly explains that "covert action should not be confused with missionary work."

1975: U.S. vetoes Security Council resolution condemning Israeli attacks on Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon.

1978 79: Iranians begin demonstrations against the Shah. U.S. tells Shah it supports him "without reservation" and urges him to act forcefully. Until the last minute, U.S. tries to organize military coup to save the Shah, but to no avail.

1979 88: U.S. begins covert aid to Mujahideen in Afghanistan six months before Soviet invasion in Dec. 1979. Over the next decade U.S. provides training and more than $3 billion in arms and aid.

1980 88: Iran Iraq war. When Iraq invades Iran, the U.S. opposes any Security Council action to condemn the invasion. U.S. soon removes Iraq from its list of nations supporting terrorism and allows U.S. arms to be transferred to Iraq. At the same time, U.S. lets Israel provide arms to Iran and in 1985 U.S. provides arms directly (though secretly) to Iran. U.S. provides intelligence information to Iraq. Iraq uses chemical weapons in 1984; U.S. restores diplomatic relations with Iraq. 1987 U.S. sends its navy into the Persian Gulf, taking Iraq's side; an overly aggressive U.S. ship shoots down an Iranian civilian airliner, killing 290.

1982: U.S. gives "green light" to Israeli invasion of Lebanon, killing some 17 thousand civilians.10 U.S. chooses not to invoke its laws prohibiting Israeli use of U.S. weapons except in self defense. U.S. vetoes several Security Council resolutions condemning the invasion.

1983: U.S. troops sent to Lebanon as part of a multinational peacekeeping force; intervene on one side of a civil war, including bombardment by USS New Jersey. Withdraw after suicide bombing of marine barracks.

1984: U.S. backed rebels in Afghanistan fire on civilian airliner.

1987-92: U.S. arms used by Israel to repress first Palestinian Intifada. U.S. vetoes five Security Council resolution condemning Israeli repression.

1988: Saddam Hussein kills many thousands of his own Kurdish population and uses chemical weapons against them. The U.S. increases its economic ties to Iraq.

1988: U.S. vetoes 3 Security Council resolutions condemning continuing Israeli occupation of and repression in Lebanon.

1991 : Devastating economic sanctions are imposed on Iraq. U.S. and Britain block all attempts to lift them. Hundreds of thousands die. Though Security Council had stated that sanctions were to be lifted once Saddam Hussein's programs to develop weapons of mass destruction were ended, Washington makes it known that the sanctions would remain as long as Saddam remains in power. Sanctions in fact strengthen Saddam's position. Asked about the horrendous human consequences of the sanctions, Madeleine Albright (U.S. ambassador to the UN and later Secretary of State) declares that "the price is worth it.

1991-: U.S. forces permanently based in Saudi Arabia.

1998: U.S. and U.K. bomb Iraq over the issue of weapons inspections, even though Security Council is just then meeting to discuss the matter.

1998: U.S. destroys factory producing half of Sudan's pharmaceutical supply, claiming retaliation for attacks on U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and that factory was involved in chemical warfare. Evidence for the chemical warfare charge widely disputed.

[Moderate Centrist]

"Henry Kissinger—the man who rivals Pol Pot for the dubious honor of being the person responsible for the death of the largest number of innocent people in South East Asia (and far surpasses Pol Pot in criminality when one factors in Kissinger's various levels of responsibility for wholesale slaughter and repression in other parts of the world)"

cknykid

I've heard the charge of war criminal thrown at Henry K before, most notably from Hitchens, but I think your comments here are a bit of a stretch.

I don't know enough of Kissinger's activities to make a complete judgement execpt to say the above comment is extremely over - simplified.

Comparing him to Pol Pot - please!

[Debo]

today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.  Few examples

1949: Outsiders back military coup deposing elected government of Syria.

1953: Outsiders help overthrow the democratically elected Mossadeq government in Iran (which had nationalized the British oil company) leading to a quarter century of repressive and dictatorial rule by the Shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlevi.

1956: Israel, Britain, and France invade Egypt. U.S. does not support invasion, but the involvement of its NATO allies severely diminishes Washington's reputation in the region.

1958: U.S. troops land in Lebanon to preserve "stability".

early 1960s: U.S. unsuccessfully attempts assassination of Iraqi leader, Abdul Karim Qassim.

1963: U.S. supports coup by Iraqi Ba'ath party (soon to be headed by Saddam Hussein) and reportedly gives them names of communists to murder, which they do with vigor.

1970: Civil war between Jordan and PLO. Israel and U.S. discuss intervening on side of Jordan if Syria backs PLO.

1973: Airlifted U.S. military aid enables Israel to turn the tide in war with Syria and Egypt.

1973 75: Outsiders supports Kurdish rebels in Iraq. When Iran reaches an agreement with Iraq in 1975 and seals the border, Iraq slaughters Kurds and U.S. denies them refuge. Kissinger secretly explains that "covert action should not be confused with missionary work."

1975: U.S. vetoes Security Council resolution condemning Israeli attacks on Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon.

1978 79: Iranians begin demonstrations against the Shah. U.S. tells Shah it supports him "without reservation" and urges him to act forcefully. Until the last minute, U.S. tries to organize military coup to save the Shah, but to no avail.

1979 88: U.S. begins covert aid to Mujahideen in Afghanistan six months before Soviet invasion in Dec. 1979. Over the next decade U.S. provides training and more than $3 billion in arms and aid.

1980 88: Iran Iraq war. When Iraq invades Iran, the U.S. opposes any Security Council action to condemn the invasion. U.S. soon removes Iraq from its list of nations supporting terrorism and allows U.S. arms to be transferred to Iraq. At the same time, U.S. lets Israel provide arms to Iran and in 1985 U.S. provides arms directly (though secretly) to Iran. U.S. provides intelligence information to Iraq. Iraq uses chemical weapons in 1984; U.S. restores diplomatic relations with Iraq. 1987 U.S. sends its navy into the Persian Gulf, taking Iraq's side; an overly aggressive U.S. ship shoots down an Iranian civilian airliner, killing 290.

1982: U.S. gives "green light" to Israeli invasion of Lebanon, killing some 17 thousand civilians.10 U.S. chooses not to invoke its laws prohibiting Israeli use of U.S. weapons except in self defense. U.S. vetoes several Security Council resolutions condemning the invasion.

1983: U.S. troops sent to Lebanon as part of a multinational peacekeeping force; intervene on one side of a civil war, including bombardment by USS New Jersey. Withdraw after suicide bombing of marine barracks.

1984: U.S. backed rebels in Afghanistan fire on civilian airliner.

1987-92: U.S. arms used by Israel to repress first Palestinian Intifada. U.S. vetoes five Security Council resolution condemning Israeli repression.

1988: Saddam Hussein kills many thousands of his own Kurdish population and uses chemical weapons against them. The U.S. increases its economic ties to Iraq.

1988: U.S. vetoes 3 Security Council resolutions condemning continuing Israeli occupation of and repression in Lebanon.

1991 : Devastating economic sanctions are imposed on Iraq. U.S. and Britain block all attempts to lift them. Hundreds of thousands die. Though Security Council had stated that sanctions were to be lifted once Saddam Hussein's programs to develop weapons of mass destruction were ended, Washington makes it known that the sanctions would remain as long as Saddam remains in power. Sanctions in fact strengthen Saddam's position. Asked about the horrendous human consequences of the sanctions, Madeleine Albright (U.S. ambassador to the UN and later Secretary of State) declares that "the price is worth it.

1991-: U.S. forces permanently based in Saudi Arabia.

1998: U.S. and U.K. bomb Iraq over the issue of weapons inspections, even though Security Council is just then meeting to discuss the matter.

1998: U.S. destroys factory producing half of Sudan's pharmaceutical supply, claiming retaliation for attacks on U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and that factory was involved in chemical warfare. Evidence for the chemical warfare charge widely disputed.

I probaly should leave this alone but can not.

First I dont know how you can say the Jews rule the world by proxy and then slide the US all up in there. The US are the ones directly responsible for holding the Israelies in check, binding thier hands so to speak, keeping them from effectivly fixing the murder daily problem.

Second, I doubt you have convinced Krusty of your view since you give absolutly no proven connection of the things you sight and the old meany jews.

Actually your post reminds me of a speech a Malaysian

Prime Minister once made.

[cknykid]

Feel free to check the post Worldwide Jewish Oppression Of Islam. Some of henry deeds are listed. Henry is 2 big of a criminal to be compared with pol pot.

[KrustyKidd]

Feel free to check the post Worldwide Jewish Oppression Of Islam. Some of henry deeds are listed. Henry is 2 big of a criminal to be compared with pol pot.

I'm still trying to work with you CK. You keep saying Kissenger this and that yet none of the deeds he is being accused of have anything to do with the death of Muslims the world over. Second, it is Jew(S) that are being accused of oppressing the Muslim. A conspiracy means more than one person is necessary to perpetrate it. You also have no proof of this. Your proof is not even all over the board, it is not even fantasy that can be refuted. It is nonexistent. The only thing you have is the feeling that Jews are trying to keep the Muslims down. At least if you point me in a direction I can research it myself. Help me understand or just admit that you are a racist without reason.

[Moderate Centrist]

Again my knowledge of Kissinger's actions is too limited to argue too strongly in his favor however comparing him with Pol Pot is ridiculous.

Kissinger played international power politics and focused on the big picture. Perhaps this is a cold view of the world but to suggest that he is directly a mass murder is a bit much.

Also, Kissinger's heyday of power was during the Nixon administration. If your suggesting this was a hotbed of Jewish conspiracy you must really be out to lunch -

[cknykid]

The Jewish lobby in Americas is powerful -- very powerful. Although Jews make up only about three percent of the US population, they wield immense power and influence -- vastly more than any other ethnic or religious group. Since the 1960s, Jews have come to wield considerable influence in American economic, cultural, intellectual and political life. Jews played a central role in American finance during the 1980s, and they were among the chief beneficiaries of that decade's corporate mergers and reorganizations. Today, though barely two percent of the nation's population is Jewish, close to half its billionaires are Jews. The chief executive officers of the three major television networks and the four largest film studios are Jews. Jews are so numerically dominant that calling these businesses Jewish-controlled is little more than a statistical observation. The role and influence of Jews in American politics is equally marked Jews are only three percent of the nation's population and comprise eleven percent of what this study defines as the nation's elite. However, Jews constitute more than 25 percent of the elite journalists and publishers, more than 17 percent of the leaders of important voluntary and public interest organizations, and more than 15 percent of the top ranking civil servants. Jewish economic influence and power are disproportionately concentrated in Hollywood, television, and in the news industry. During the last three decades Jews [in the United States] have made up 50 percent of the top two hundred intellectuals ... 20 percent of professors at the leading universities ... 40 percent of partners in the leading law firms in New York and Washington ... 59 percent of the directors, writers, and producers of the 50 top-grossing motion pictures from 1965 to 1982, and 58 percent of directors, writers, and producers in two or more primetime television series. The influence of American Jewry in Washington, is "far disproportionate to the size of the community, Jewish leaders and U.S. official acknowledge. But so is the amount of money they contribute to [election] campaigns. It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish power and prominence in America. Jews wish to involve America in war in there own interest and have been doing so for a long time.

How does the Zionist impose their will on the American people? Zionist will is imposed using the Jewish connection, the tribal solidarity among themselves and the amazing pull on non-Jews, that has molded this unprecedented power. In the larger metropolitan areas, the Jewish-Zionist connection thoroughly pervades affluent financial, commercial, social, entertainment, and art circles. The most effective component of the Jewish connection is probably that of media control.” One sided reporting and propaganda is what they use every day. After 911 fake footage of Palestinian kids celebrating attacks on the world trade center appeared on American television. When the error was discovered, it was claimed that an old tape was played by mistake(really). Nothing sinister with that. After coverage of Oklahoma City bombing was also very colorful. It’s a very old propaganda technique to label a group or race as bad or evil to discredit everything they say. Would you say that has ever been used{maybe once}. Lets be fair and balanced. Did I bring up the word fundraising. Please tell me the White House, the Senate and much of the American media is not in their hands. Israel and Jewish organizations, in collaboration with this country's pro-Zionist "amen corner," are prodding the United States -- the world's foremost military and economic power -- into new wars against Israel's enemies. As long as the "very powerful" Jewish lobby remains entrenched, there will be no end to the systematic Jewish distortion of current affairs and history, the Jewish-Zionist domination of the U.S. political system, Zionist oppression of Palestinians, the bloody conflict between Jews and non-Jews in the Middle East, and the Israeli threat to peace. There is an elephant sitting in the living room and everyone is scared of it so no one dares talk about it.

As far Kissinger is concerned all the deeds I have listed are as an open book. Was he a man acting alone or was he a good soldier taking orders from above. How did he got to his seat of power. Maybe he was just lucky, right man at the right place. No special interest group every supported him. He is a man of honor, he would never support any special lobby ever. {Not then, not now}.In the Nuremberg trials a German officer asked his American judge at his sentencing, how did all this went so wrong. The reply was, the first day you sent an innocent man to die. It didn’t matter if the orders came from above. He obeyed them. Now is that is a proven definition of a war criminal or do you want to be selective about it. Does Kissinger fall in the category of a war criminal with crimes against humanity. There is a lot more to it, ill give you a few more examples of Muslim countries. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was the democratically elected prime Minster of Pakistan in 1977. His crime was that he organized the first Islamic summit in Pakistan to unite Muslim countries. He also had aspirations of building a nuclear bomb in response to an Indian nuclear test. Seeing Muslim countries united was a threat to guess who. A muslim country possessing a nuclear bomb was a threat to who. Lets name them all. Mr. Kissinger met him and told him that if his policies were not in line with the American ones He would be assassinated. When he refused, a military coup was organized and he was overthrown. The military General Zia hanged the prime Minster after a trial in a kangaroo court. The prime Minster wrote a book in jail that outlines the threat made to him in person and claimed his death was organized by America(the white elephant he calls it). Benzair Bhutto is his daughter who became prime Minster after the coup leader died in an organized by someone in a mysterious air crash. Then war in neighboring Afghanistan was organized and financed. Now who did that if you guess America than you are bright. Osama bin laden was on CIA’s payroll or was he not. Lets go a lil more left and you have Iran and Iraq. They had a bloody war for 8 years. See if you can see the hands of America and Israel in it. Iraq was taken of the terrorist list and was supplied weapons. Israel supplied Iran. The war was prolonged to serve a purpose , someone played both sides and supplied weapons. More to the left is Kuwait. Kuwait got invaded, someone gave the green light for that also(guess who) and American forces landed in Saudi Arabia to protect it.

Iraq is currently going under operation enduring freedom. Who would benefit from that. Everyone knew there were no weapons of mass destruction. Did sadam had a hand in 911. Let’s have Bush or Dick Chaney answer that. Why make fake intelligence and not let UN weapons inspectors do there job. Was Iraq an imminent threat and do we live in a safer world today. The presentation of intelligence by Colin Powell at the UN was shameful. I always thought that man had a conscience but guess not. It’s a dirty game. Maybe we did it for democrsy,..Well if that is what we want in Middle East why don’t we have democrsy in Kuwait. Did we not liberate that country before. Who is Ahmad chilabi. Is he the George Washington of Iraq. Look into his qualifications, answer lies in it. World War One was fought under the banner that this war would end all wars. That really worked. Egypt that is being ruled by the human right’s champion mubarik is getting aid from the champions of human rights. How do you justify that, whose interest is involved in that aid. Does the name lebnon ring a bell. It’s a long list and I don’t want to go on for ever. Feel free to play{shaggy IT wasn’t me in the background}

I do understand that colonization all over the world is not a fun game. With it comes repression and anyone who would think that colonization can be done fairly and justly must be smoking some good stuff now growing everywhere in Afghanistan. The first rule of eliminating terrorism is stop being terrorist yourself. If you are not going to do that the cycle of violence will go on for ever. Killing is wrong no matter who does it, every human life is precious. Conquering forces have never seen that and the Zionist don’t see that and they are bent on ruling the world. This ideology controls all Jewish thought as of right now. We lived in that land a few hundred years ago and now we want it back. Lets take that land back without any people on it. Whoever came up with that idea must be on top of his class. Next brainstorming resulted in “Take your ass out of here before I reload this gun”. Was this Israel’s philosophy for its creation. Hitler did the holocaust and now its our turn to kill some people. Zionist employed ethnic cleansing and destroyed around 4000 villages to stop people from returning. Palestinians are a mix of Muslim and christens. What they went through at the hands of Zionist of Israel and what Hitler did to the Jews is pretty similar. He choose Europe for his final solution because it was close to the mother land and his fanatic christen ideology guided him towards that. Zionist Jewish ideology showed its ugly face in the Middle East and employed the same techniques to colonize. The propaganda techniques are also the same. So read the speech again and see where this guy is coming from. After you read it feel free to Label everyone that speaks out against Zionist colonization methods, occupation of land, propaganda and efforts of creating a greater Israel to please god as an anti Semite. My invisible god is more stronger than your invisible god is always a strong argument and a valid reason to kill the other. Keep the good stuff coming.

[KrustyKidd]

OK CK, you are getting closer to having an argument but not quite close enough. I see where there is a reason for somebody to think that Jews are in a position of power in America and although I could challenge that but I will not. The reason is that I want to go along with it for a bit in order to get the connection to the oppression of Islam. Now, assuming that America is run by Jews, how is America directly putting down Muslims? And is it deliberate or just collateral action from a previous politically unrelated action?

A bit of advice, I can tell this is all cut and paste from some anti Jew site. Please read an understand the stuff you are trying to post so that it is condensed and in context for an argument. This mass overload of info is really hard to wade through.

[Moderate Centrist]

HI Krusty Kid,

Agreed - cut down on the ranting cknykid. It is far to difficult to understand your point.

Bottom line - the Nixon administration was not answering to any Jewish Lobby. Anyone who knows anything about Nixon knows he was often at odds with the Jewish community over their voting preferences.

As for Jews making money - good for them. They haven't bothered me any so I'm not worried.

Much of your post sounds like paranoia to me. The situation in the middle east is very complex and cannot simply be boiled down to a mass jewish conspiracy.

This subject is of little interest to me so I'll withdraw for now.

[righturnonred]

It sounds like you think "jews rule the world by proxy" and "get others to do their fighting for them". Hmm, where have I heard that recently?

[Craig Read]

The only conspiracy i see in life is the left liberal politically correct, soft power, post modern traveling circus. This festival directly attempts to line the pockets of the raving media, lawyers, elitists and politicians who covet more tax money, more spend, and more interest group support. Nations defending themselves, people keeping the money they earn and systems that function well which are not bankrupt are ignored and deemed immoral.

Funny that we fought 3 world wars to erect socialism in our own land.

As for the Jewish case, give me a break. In Europe pograms against Jews were easy to instigate since the Jews were one of the few groups to engage in trade, mercantile development and industry as well as banking. While the elite of Europe chewed their chocolates and were masks at balls, the Jews got busy working. As they were also in most locales the tax collectors. Pretty easy to hate those guys, especially when most European empires were taxing literally, everything that moved.

Like i stated before, i know plenty of poor Jews. Go to a UJA meeting in Toronto or elsewhere and ask the people there what % of Jews in Toronto are considered badly off as a % of the total Jewish population. The number i heard is about 40 %. UJA raises millions here to help these people out. Yes some Jews are big in banking, business etc. but so are some Indians, some Croats, some Frenchies, some Anglos and some Blacks.

Big deal get over it.