A dog named kyoto

[B. Max]

Either way you cut it as more people come to realize they've been led down the yellow brick road and duped by a leftist con con job, the liberals and their agenda will be exposed and Dion will become known as the wizard of Ozawa.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/546754.html

[jdobbin]

Either way you cut it as more people come to realize they've been led down the yellow brick road and duped by a leftist con con job, the liberals and their agenda will be exposed and Dion will become known as the wizard of Ozawa.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/546754.html

The right wing doesn't have a program that Canadians are buying. Must be why they are slipping in the polls.

[mikedavid00]

Either way you cut it as more people come to realize they've been led down the yellow brick road and duped by a leftist con con job, the liberals and their agenda will be exposed and Dion will become known as the wizard of Ozawa.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/546754.html

• Global temperatures have declined since 1998, in direct contradiction to computer models on which Kyoto is based. These models are unreliable as forecasters of future conditions.

• Ice core records show temperature rises before CO2 rises, not as a result of it.

• Evidence mounts that pre-industrial levels of CO2 may have been much higher than the 280 parts per million (ppm) assumed by environmentalists.

• Modern research shows changes in output of the sun accounts for most of the recent warming and cooling of our planet.

• The primary evidence of human influence on global climate, the "hockey stick" temperature graph of Michael Mann, has been debunked as manipulated and wrong.

[B. Max]

Either way you cut it as more people come to realize they've been led down the yellow brick road and duped by a leftist con con job, the liberals and their agenda will be exposed and Dion will become known as the wizard of Ozawa.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/546754.html

The right wing doesn't have a program that Canadians are buying. Must be why they are slipping in the polls.

I tend to agree. Which is why I urge them to tell the truth.

[jdobbin]

I tend to agree. Which is why I urge them to tell the truth.

Perhaps if they actually had research that overwhelming backed their policies some Canadians would believe what they say.

I think many people believe the Tories don't really want to have an environmental policy because they don't believe anything is happening anywhere. And not just on global warming. There are doubts that the Tories want to stop smog because it is "economic treason" to do so. They think the Tories don't want to stop the contamination of lakes because they aren't convinced the blue green algae is a danger. They think Tories are content to just let things roll along for the good of the economy even when cancer spikes in areas around a smelter.

[Canuck E Stan]

The right wing doesn't have a program that Canadians are buying. Must be why they are slipping in the polls.

The CPC has started a program,but no one wants it.

Why?, because the date 2050,oh, it seems sooooo far away.

Well, look at the date everybody else uses. Gosh darn, it's 2050 too.

The leaders of the opposition,the committee that looked into Climate change,everybody says 2050.

But I'll be dead by then,I want to be there when the change for the good happens.

I want to be part of the happy ending and say I told you so.

Better not start at all,better just forget it and don't do a damn thing....until my favourite party gets in, then we'll get going.

Yea,lets wait much longer before we start, then my favourite party will get it going just like the last group of my favourite party.

They were so concerned they moved things along for 13 years, and did nothing.

We'll wait a few more years because their plan is better,and we'll get it done in.....2050.

Face the fact,it won't happen in your life time, but be an arse-hole and not start anything today......because 2050 is not soon enough. :angry:

[B. Max]

I tend to agree. Which is why I urge them to tell the truth.

Perhaps if they actually had research that overwhelming backed their policies some Canadians would believe what they say.

I think many people believe the Tories don't really want to have an environmental policy because they don't believe anything is happening anywhere. And not just on global warming. There are doubts that the Tories want to stop smog because it is "economic treason" to do so. They think the Tories don't want to stop the contamination of lakes because they aren't convinced the blue green algae is a danger. They think Tories are content to just let things roll along for the good of the economy even when cancer spikes in areas around a smelter.

As long as they don't know the truth they can live in the Canadian dream. Which is really a nightmare.

http://livingwithcanadians.blogspot.com/20...dian-dream.html

[August1991]

Either way you cut it as more people come to realize they've been led down the yellow brick road and duped by a leftist con con job, the liberals and their agenda will be exposed and Dion will become known as the wizard of Ozawa.

How many know that Dion's Dad was an irritating polisci prof at Laval who, like Rex Murphy, always had a glib answer to all the questions.

And what do you think of having a French sociology academic for PM? Sociology?

(Dion's critique of Harper's Nation Motion was that it did not include the word sociologique.)

Dion will be popular with Vancouver/Toronto CBC Radio listeners and rabble.ca posters but few others in the real world. We'll see.

[jdobbin]

As long as they don't know the truth they can live in the Canadian dream. Which is really a nightmare.

http://livingwithcanadians.blogspot.com/20...dian-dream.html

I think that is probably a good Conservative strategy: Attack Canadians!

[Canuck E Stan]

I THINK MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE the Tories don't really want to have an environmental policy because THEYdon't BELIEVE anything is happening anywhere. And not just on global warming. There are doubts that the Tories want to stop smog because it is "economic treason" to do so. THEY THINK the Tories don't want to stop the contamination of lakes because THEY AREN'T CONVINCED the blue green algae is a danger.THEY THINK Tories are content to just let things roll along for the good of the economy even when cancer spikes in areas around a smelter.

Dobbin,

Like a true Liberal that you are, you think too much about what you think others think.

That's why the self centered party, the Liberals are sitting in opposition.

Canadians aren't stupid,and don't need Liberals to think for them.

All this crap about what people think about the CPC that you've presented are YOUR thoughts,not the general public, so stop trying to imply you know how Canadians think and why.

If you could think for Canadians you'd be sitting in Ottawa, doing just that.

Opps, you tried that, THEY rejected you.

Your thoughts are yours and yours alone,stop this crap of pretending you know how others think.

[jdobbin]

How many kno wthat Dion's Dad was an irritating polisci prof at Laval who, like Rex Murphy, always had a glib answer to all the questions.

And what do you think of having a French sociology academic for PM? Sociology?

(Dion's critique of Harper's Nation Motion was that it did not include the word sociologique.)

Dion will be popular with Vancouver/Toronto CBC Radio listeners and rabble.ca posters but few others in the real world. We'll see.

How many know that Harper's dad was an accountant who, like the Fraser Institute, always had a glib remark to all questions.

And what do you think of having a National Citizen's Coalition head for PM?

Harper will be popular with the Alberta talk radio listeners and mapleleafweb.com posters but few others in the real world. We'll see.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/poll_libs

[jdobbin]

Dobbin,

Like a true Liberal that you are, you think too much about what you think others think.

That's why the self centered party, the Liberals are sitting in opposition.

Canadians aren't stupid,and don't need Liberals to think for them.

All this crap about what people think about the CPC that you've presented are YOUR thoughts,not the general public, so stop trying to imply you know how Canadians think and why.

If you could think for Canadians you'd be sitting in Ottawa, doing just that.

Opps, you tried that, THEY rejected you.

Your thoughts are yours and yours alone,stop this crap of pretending you know how others think.

Canuck,

Like a true Conservative, you don't think too much about what others think.

That's why the self centered Tories are sitting in second place in the polls.

Canadians are smart and don't need the Tories not thinking about them.

[August1991]

How many know that Harper's day was an accountant who, like the Fraser Institute, always had a glib remark to all questions.

And what do you think of having a National Citizen's Coalition head for PM?

Harper will be popular with the Alberta talk radio listeners and mapleleafweb.com posters but few others in the real world. We'll see.

Pas mal, dobbin. On verra qui a raison.

[Charles Anthony]

Either way you cut it

I would like to make a suggestion on how to "cut" things: trim your posts. I have contacted some of you already by PM and so I am pointing this one out inside the thread.

The first two replies ought to check out #2 here:

Using the [ Quote ] Feature: Avoid using more too many quotes!

[jdobbin]

Pas mal, dobbin. On verra qui a raison.[/i]

In the end, we'll see who is right. But take care in the next drive-by. Splashing mud works both ways. It just ends up that everyone gets dirty.

[Charles Anthony]

It just ends up that everyone gets dirty.

Not the non-partisans -- they can stay clean.

[JerrySeinfeld]

OK but enough of party pissing matches and back to the subject at hand: The article succinctly points out several reasons why Kyoto and the whole global warming ("climate change") thing is a fad based upon questionable science that shouldn't be used to dictate national econaomic policy.

Period.

Not sure how the next electino will play out, but I think Dion is in trouble longer term by marrying himself and the Libs to Kyoto, climate change and anti-war policies.

I have comment on this before: the Libs are so concerned with painting Harper as a demonic cold-hearted right-winger, they're painting themselvs into an NDP corner by default.

That will divide the country even further between the bleeding hearts in Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal but won't curry much favor anywhere else.

With this leftiest polarization strategy the Libs are employing we could see minority governments for quite awhile.

[jdobbin]

Not the non-partisans -- they can stay clean.

But you aren't non-partisan.

partisan1 [paːtiˈzan, (American) ˈpa:rtizən] noun

a strong and enthusiastic supporter of a person, political party, idea or philosophy etc

Example: Every movement has its partisans; (also adjective) partisan feelings

Position on tax = partisan.

[jdobbin]

OK but enough of party pissing matches and back to the subject at hand: The article succinctly points out several reasons why Kyoto and the whole global warming ("climate change") thing is a fad based upon questionable science that shouldn't be used to dictate national econaomic policy.

Period.

Not sure how the next electino will play out, but I think Dion is in trouble longer term by marrying himself and the Libs to Kyoto, climate change and anti-war policies.

I have comment on this before: the Libs are so concerned with painting Harper as a demonic cold-hearted right-winger, they're painting themselvs into an NDP corner by default.

That will divide the country even further between the bleeding hearts in Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal but won't curry much favor anywhere else.

With this leftiest polarization strategy the Libs are employing we could see minority governments for quite awhile.

The righties keep using Tim Ball to back them. He was my professor years ago. He has been retired for a long time. He does no research anymore. He gets paid as a partisan flack by the oil industry. He is not some independent, actively working scientist in climatology.

The right wing continues to use people with no current and respected credentials to back their positions. They instead point to blog journalists as having a bead on the truth. If they believe those guys, why not the September 11 conspiracy people?

[Charles Anthony]

But you aren't non-partisan.

I agree -- but I never said I was non-partisan.

One can engage in political debate without licking the boots of a current political party.

Position on tax = partisan.

Find me a political party that represents my partisanship and I will send all of my hard-earned cash (delivered in unmarked manila envelopes) to YOUR party.

Position on tax = partisan.

That is nothing. My position on multiple-multiple-extraneous-posts-after-posts is even more partisan.

[jdobbin]

I agree -- but I never said I was non-partisan.

One can engage in political debate without licking the boots of a current political party.

Find me a political party that represents my partisanship and I will send all of my hard-earned cash (delivered in unmarked manila envelopes) to YOUR party.

That is nothing. My position on multiple-multiple-extraneous-posts-after-posts is even more partisan.

I am certainly partisan but I can honestly say that the Liberal environmental policy was a total failure. Just as the Conservative one is. I didn't attend any convention this year because I really didn't know who to support. I thought it was best to sit back, listen and see what was being talked about. I am still looking at how the present leadership will shape up and what policies will help the country.

On various threads I have indicated what might be an economically sound and environmentally friendly platform. Some of that is being done already. It would be nice if it was done on a larger scale.

There isn't a party that'll meet everyone's needs and never a system that'll fit everyone's wants.

If people are disappointed in their representative or the present system, it is time to put up or shut up. Run for office, campaign for change.

There are a few types of people here: some that are strict party adherents, some that have political agenda's solely of their own and a few that have actually convinced or been changed by discourse in these forums.

I think I have learned quite a bit while I've been here. I hope to learn more.

[Charles Anthony]

I think I have learned quite a bit while I've been here. I hope to learn more.

So have I. Also, I am sure both of us would agree that neither of us could have an intelligent (nor spirited) discussion on the rubble forum.

[jdobbin]

So have I. Also, I am sure both of us would agree that neither of us could have an intelligent (nor spirited) discussion on the rubble forum.

I looked at that forum briefly. I don't like the set-up of the board, the threads were not my cup of tea and the discussion mostly anemic. And if an intelligent person did make a point or raise a question, they were drowned out by the clamor.

[JerrySeinfeld]

OK but enough of party pissing matches and back to the subject at hand: The article succinctly points out several reasons why Kyoto and the whole global warming ("climate change") thing is a fad based upon questionable science that shouldn't be used to dictate national econaomic policy.

Period.

Not sure how the next electino will play out, but I think Dion is in trouble longer term by marrying himself and the Libs to Kyoto, climate change and anti-war policies.

I have comment on this before: the Libs are so concerned with painting Harper as a demonic cold-hearted right-winger, they're painting themselvs into an NDP corner by default.

That will divide the country even further between the bleeding hearts in Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal but won't curry much favor anywhere else.

With this leftiest polarization strategy the Libs are employing we could see minority governments for quite awhile.

The righties keep using Tim Ball to back them. He was my professor years ago. He has been retired for a long time. He does no research anymore. He gets paid as a partisan flack by the oil industry. He is not some independent, actively working scientist in climatology.

The right wing continues to use people with no current and respected credentials to back their positions. They instead point to blog journalists as having a bead on the truth. If they believe those guys, why not the September 11 conspiracy people?

Hey buddy - every scientist doing active research has to get money from somewhere. You don't think there are vested interests on the "climate change is real" side?

[Saturn]

The CPC has started a program,but no one wants it.

The CPC hasn't started a damned thing. They just wrote a document and called it the "Clean Air Act". That act is not worth the paper it's written on and all it says is that they will start working on the issue if Harper gets reelected 10 times. That's what they've started - ONE BIG FAT NOTHING!