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Ricki Bobbi · December 23, 2006

I guessed you missed the memo where the Conservatives said there are not going to make any changes to the immigration numbers.

That's flatly wrong.

This link shows how the Conservatives are increasing immigration numbers in BC. This link shows how the Conservatives are increasing immigration numbers to Francohphone communities. This link shows how the Conservatives are increasing immigration numbers to help deal with labour shortages in Western Canada.

Please try and have some truth in your attacks...

BC_chick · December 23, 2006

I guessed you missed the memo where the Conservatives said there are not going to make any changes to the immigration numbers.

That's flatly wrong.

This link shows how the Conservatives are increasing immigration numbers in BC. This link shows how the Conservatives are increasing immigration numbers to Francohphone communities. This link shows how the Conservatives are increasing immigration numbers to help deal with labour shortages in Western Canada.

Please try and have some truth in your attacks...

So let's get this straight. You say it's all the Liberals fault there are so many immigrants, I come back with "Conservatives are keeping it the same." Your (cough) rebuttal is that they're actually increasing it and you think this is somehow advantageous to your initial argument of blaming Liberals for all the "immigration problems."

That, and the fact that anything I say on these boards seems to be an "attack" for you (guess you should maybe understand the function of the message board), have granted you the first official ignore status on my list. Your "logic" and mine are about 180 degrees apart.

Unlike some of your fellow conservatives, I find discussing issues with you equivalent to banging my head against the wall (yes, THAT could be taken as an attack).

Best of luck to you in life.

mikedavid00 · December 23, 2006

I guessed you missed the memo where the Conservatives said there are not going to make any changes to the immigration numbers.

That's not true. Not only that, they are increasing settlment funding some $300M I believe.

Who's Doing What? · December 23, 2006

I guessed you missed the memo where the Conservatives said there are not going to make any changes to the immigration numbers.

That's flatly wrong.

This link shows how the Conservatives are increasing immigration numbers in BC. This link shows how the Conservatives are increasing immigration numbers to Francohphone communities. This link shows how the Conservatives are increasing immigration numbers to help deal with labour shortages in Western Canada.

Please try and have some truth in your attacks...

So let's get this straight. You say it's all the Liberals fault there are so many immigrants, I come back with "Conservatives are keeping it the same." Your (cough) rebuttal is that they're actually increasing it and you think this is somehow advantageous to your initial argument of blaming Liberals for all the "immigration problems."

That, and the fact that anything I say on these boards seems to be an "attack" for you (guess you should maybe understand the function of the message board), have granted you the first official ignore status on my list. Your "logic" and mine are about 180 degrees apart.

Unlike some of your fellow conservatives, I find discussing issues with you equivalent to banging my head against the wall (yes, THAT could be taken as an attack).

Best of luck to you in life.

haha

I've been tempted to put him on ignore from just reading the dialogue between you two.

It's like having one of those little Jack Russell Terriers grab the back of your pant leg and not let go. Every so often it gives it's head a shake like it's trying to prove something, or maybe just to feel tough. It's not really doing anything of consequence other than being annoying. You just keep dragging it around the yard hoping it will eventually tire out.

Who's Doing What? · December 23, 2006

I guessed you missed the memo where the Conservatives said there are not going to make any changes to the immigration numbers.

That's not true. Not only that, they are increasing settlment funding some $300M I believe.

So did they buy your vote with that one MD?

jdobbin · December 23, 2006

Unlike some of your fellow conservatives, I find discussing issues with you equivalent to banging my head against the wall (yes, THAT could be taken as an attack).

Rather than seeing you as someone who might be open to discussion and some conservative ideas, it looks like you've been driven away by the belligerence of some of the posters.

There are some conservatives here who have some good ideas and don't have to be put on ignore.

mikedavid00 · December 24, 2006

That's not true. Not only that, they are increasing settlment funding some $300M I believe.

So did they buy your vote with that one MD?

No. I didn't vote.

BC_chick · December 24, 2006

Rather than seeing you as someone who might be open to discussion and some conservative ideas, it looks like you've been driven away by the belligerence of some of the posters.
There are some conservatives here who have some good ideas and don't have to be put on ignore.

Second one just bit the dust, mikedavid. Ignorant jerk!

I hope these rational conservatives show up soon, this forum seems so extreme-right, I'm starting to understand why there are barely any liberals.

BC_chick · December 24, 2006

It's like having one of those little Jack Russell Terriers grab the back of your pant leg and not let go. Every so often it gives it's head a shake like it's trying to prove something, or maybe just to feel tough.

:lol: Good one.

jbg · December 24, 2006

Rather than seeing you as someone who might be open to discussion and some conservative ideas, it looks like you've been driven away by the belligerence of some of the posters.

There are some conservatives here who have some good ideas and don't have to be put on ignore.

Second one just bit the dust, mikedavid. Ignorant jerk!

I hope these rational conservatives show up soon, this forum seems so extreme-right, I'm starting to understand why there are barely any liberals.

Well, I'm a liberal. I'm from the States, so I am a registered Democrat, not a Liberal, though I'd probably be NDP here.

hiti · December 24, 2006

Support for kyoto is huge... Link It's just Steve who thinks he knows best and has given us his version of Clean (HOT) Air Act.

Will you give up your car?

No. I need it to go to work. I do not have any public transportation available to me. And my car is as environmentally friendly as a car can be. It is not an SUV or a dually 4X4

jbg · December 24, 2006

Support for kyoto is huge... Link It's just Steve who thinks he knows best and has given us his version of Clean (HOT) Air Act.

Will you give up your car?

No. I need it to go to work. I do not have any public transportation available to me. And my car is as environmentally friendly as a car can be. It is not an SUV or a dually 4X4

Exactly. You need to get to work.

puffin · December 24, 2006

Support for kyoto is huge... Link It's just Steve who thinks he knows best and has given us his version of Clean (HOT) Air Act.

Will you give up your car?

There are alternatives to petroldriven cars.

In Sweden where I live a bigger and bigger proportion of new cars are now flexifuel cars that can be driven with E85 (85% Ethanol) that is CO2 neutral.

Cheers

puffin

jdobbin · December 24, 2006

There are alternatives to petroldriven cars.
In Sweden where I live a bigger and bigger proportion of new cars are now flexifuel cars that can be driven with E85 (85% Ethanol) that is CO2 neutral.

Cheers

puffin

Is the actual production of the E85 CO2 neutral?

White Doors · December 24, 2006

Support for kyoto is huge... Link It's just Steve who thinks he knows best and has given us his version of Clean (HOT) Air Act.

Will you give up your car?

There are alternatives to petroldriven cars.

In Sweden where I live a bigger and bigger proportion of new cars are now flexifuel cars that can be driven with E85 (85% Ethanol) that is CO2 neutral.

Cheers

puffin

Almost all new GM engines coming out over the next year or 2 will have this.

White Doors · December 24, 2006

Higher gas prices will drive more innovation that any kyoto agreement. Billions went into venture funds for alternative fuels in 2005 when the gas prices started their upward march. The market will drive the breakthrough.

geoffrey · December 24, 2006

Higher gas prices will drive more innovation that any kyoto agreement. Billions went into venture funds for alternative fuels in 2005 when the gas prices started their upward march. The market will drive the breakthrough.

Raising gas prices artificially impacts other key industries as well. It drives up the price in manufacturing, food, utilities, ect. ect.. That quick response concept of just making more gas taxes is really a huge money grab overall, and would contribute greatly to a really strong inflationary pressure, without any winners other than the government.

Think beyond the initial effects of your environmental policies and you'll realise there aren't that many easy answer, quick fix, solutions.

At the end of your comment on gas prices, you say that the market will drive the breakthrough... suggestiong no taxation on gas would be added? And that we just have to wait for the price to go up as part of an environmental strategy?

Gas usage is mostly inelastic, fruits and veggies still need to be shipped and same with your clothing and the computer your using this forum from. The trends indictated that even through the major price inflation of gas in the summer (was it the summer?) demand never really declined substantially.

A higher gas price, no matter how you make it so will not fix the environment.

jdobbin · December 24, 2006

Higher gas prices will drive more innovation that any kyoto agreement. Billions went into venture funds for alternative fuels in 2005 when the gas prices started their upward march. The market will drive the breakthrough.

The market doesn't alway drive a breakthrough. For example, if you are a chemical company dumping into the water system, what market force prevents you from doing so?

If you are emitting sulfur into the atmosphere, what market force stops that as well?

geoffrey · December 24, 2006

Higher gas prices will drive more innovation that any kyoto agreement. Billions went into venture funds for alternative fuels in 2005 when the gas prices started their upward march. The market will drive the breakthrough.

The market doesn't alway drive a breakthrough. For example, if you are a chemical company dumping into the water system, what market force prevents you from doing so?

If you are emitting sulfur into the atmosphere, what market force stops that as well?

Playing the devil's advocate here... one could argue that the bad name the company receives by doing such things would have their customers switch to more socially palatable firms.

But I've never seen any convincing evidence of that in the real world. People still shop at Wal-Mart.

B. Max · December 24, 2006

If you are emitting sulfur into the atmosphere, what market force stops that as well?

Actually sulfur has been almost totally removed from fuel for years now. Extraction plants have blocks of sulfur at them 100' high and as big as city blocks. Most diesel now is sulfur free.

geoffrey · December 24, 2006

If you are emitting sulfur into the atmosphere, what market force stops that as well?

Actually sulfur has been almost totally removed from fuel for years now. Extraction plants have blocks of sulfur at them 100' high and as big as city blocks. Most diesel now is sulfur free.

Some coal plants still have sulfur emissions and natural gas flaring produces SO2...

jdobbin · December 24, 2006

Actually sulfur has been almost totally removed from fuel for years now. Extraction plants have blocks of sulfur at them 100' high and as big as city blocks. Most diesel now is sulfur free.

Was that a market force change or a regulatory change?

jdobbin · December 24, 2006

Playing the devil's advocate here... one could argue that the bad name the company receives by doing such things would have their customers switch to more socially palatable firms.
But I've never seen any convincing evidence of that in the real world. People still shop at Wal-Mart.

Companies now go to court to protect their good name. Some go to great lengths to hide what they are doing.

B. Max · December 24, 2006

Some coal plants still have sulfur emissions and natural gas flaring produces SO2...

It's sometimes necessary to flare off H2s but over all farling has been reduced in the province by around 90%.

B. Max · December 24, 2006

Actually sulfur has been almost totally removed from fuel for years now. Extraction plants have blocks of sulfur at them 100' high and as big as city blocks. Most diesel now is sulfur free.

Was that a market force change or a regulatory change?

Technology change.