Canadian Blue Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 F%$kin filthy Dutch! Why can't we become more "Swedish", they seem to be doing pretty good. Besides Holland currently has a Conservative type government in control right now, but then again so do the Swedes . Damnit, it looks like we'll have to become more like the, the, the Cuban's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikedavid00 Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 what holland, more like commie russia, Lenin is coming back Like the libs always tell me, if you don't like Canada then leave... I think holland has quite the immigration policy and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out! I'd give my left leg to move out of Canada and go to the US. It would be a dream for me. I don't feel like I belong in this country. Oh well. I already looked into leaving years back and found out just how difficult it was. A company really does have to sponsor you in and you have to meet very stiff qualifications. On work permits you get access to 0 services. Nothing, nadda, nothing. Your spouce is not even allowed to work. Even if you do go there to work, you are getting your butt sent back to where you came from when your workers permit expires.. I see Canada as a negative, dictator style country not run for the people, but by elites. I see most people here not as decision makers, but as 'brainwashed' by social engineering of a political party. The Iraq war is stopping because the American people want it to. Think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Blue Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Canada ain't all that bad, it could be much worse. I'm becoming more liberal in my views [i'm not a partisan hack], but if you have different views than fight for them. Any person who says if your not a liberal your not a Canadian is a f%$cking retard. If you go to army.ca you'll notice a majority are Harper supporting Conservatives, if all Conservative's left than how would the country be able to respond to a national emergency. A great quote on somebody's profile says in order for a plane to fly it needs both a left and right wing. That's 110% true, if all people here are liberal thinkers than we have truly become a society similar to the one portrayed in 1984, the same can be said of any political ideology becoming so dominant that it basically represses differing views and becomes an "absolute" truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Yes, I believe it's being fashioned after Holland. And do you believe that's the Liberal hidden agenda? Maybe Dutch-Canadians are the architects of this hidden agenda. Did you know that more than 400,000 people of Dutch origin are permanent residents of Canada? Source: http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/canada-europa...n_nether-en.asp Let's investigate whether Dutch-Canadians vote for Liberals. I don't think they're trying to hide it. And I guess it's not exactly Holland. Could be other Scandinavian countries. About a couple of weeks ago, a Liberal Strategist and a rep for the federation of taxpayers were on a talk show on CPAC (I think it was Sound-Off, on a Sunday, where they have phone callers giving comments and asking questions). I can't remember exactly now what the main discourse was all about...if I'm not mistaken, it's about the programs that were slashed. But definitely it had something to do with taxes. A caller said that he was actually agreeing to what the Liberal rep was saying.....until the Liberal rep mentioned and extolled the policies of "Sweden." The caller then scoffed at the Liberals trying to veer towards socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 what holland, more like commie russia, Lenin is coming back Like the libs always tell me, if you don't like Canada then leave... I think holland has quite the immigration policy and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out! I'd give my left leg to move out of Canada and go to the US. It would be a dream for me. I don't feel like I belong in this country. That's what my husband's been saying to me....that if we could only easily pack up and go, we should go. We were saying that we should try to swap places with those Americans who want to move to Canada. Like an exchange program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 This was Trudeau's agenda; make Canada like Europe, complete with Centigrades, kilometers, etc. If ever there was convincing evidence of Trudeau's evil, this was it. Imagine that...making us metric just like Holland. And how many countries in the world other than the US do you suppose don't use the Trudeau-imposed metric system? Here's the answer: http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/internat.htm Metricization was an important symbol. The practical fact is that Canada is tied to the US geographically and going metric imposed huge and unnecessary costs in the name of being more like Europe. The other issues are more profound. Canada's heritage has been being part of the English-speaking world. Again, it is on an English-speaking continent. Requiring bi-lingual labels throughout the country, even in areas where one never hears a word of French, imposes huge costs on the average, workaday Canadian in the name of some elite, theoretical cultural goal. The stripping of British terminology, such as "royal" has not quelled Quebec nationalism. Appeasement almost always gets you more of what you're trying to appease. And castrating the military has turned Canada from a respected country into a joke. Show me one country where Canada has succeeded in "making peace". Trudeau's legacy is the sad, sorry, and unnecessary damage to if not destruction of a great land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Requiring bi-lingual labels throughout the country, even in areas where one never hears a word of French, imposes huge costs on the average, workaday Canadian in the name of some elite, theoretical cultural goal. And it prevents non-French-speaking citizens from having access to a lot of good paying jobs that now make "bilingualism" a requirement. It's easy for them to say, "well We'll provide the training for French language." But reality is: it takes years to learn how to speak passably....not to mention that not all people have the aptitude for picking up languages just like that! Isn't that grounds for denying equal opportunity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 I guess it shouldn't be surprising that a few people here are so dissatisfied with Canada that they wish to move to the U.S. What's so surprising is hearing the excuses of why people don't do it. Things from, "It's near impossible to get down there" to "It's too hard to pull up stakes and do it" are what others might call "Canadian excuses" for doing nothing but complain. It's not that hard. You make the decision and go. And you make it happen anyway you can. You go to school down there, you enter as a business immigrant, you marry into it, you apply for every job you can. Are people telling me that someone from one of the tiny countries out there has more pull, more desire than you to somehow make it into the U.S.? Perhaps you don't have what it takes to be American anyways. Maybe you just don't belong there. Meanwhile though, we get to hear these rejected would be leavers for the U.S. complain and not actually do something about their own country. Unlike someone who threatens suicide and eventually does it, these would be leavers never do end up pulling the trigger on anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 This was Trudeau's agenda; make Canada like Europe, complete with Centigrades, kilometers, etc. Through in a dash of "anyone comes" immigration (but only if they're violent, need social services and most importantly speak any language but English as a first language), emasculate the military, emphsize civil liberties of the deviant, not ordinary people. How right wing of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 If ever there was convincing evidence of Trudeau's evil, this was it. Imagine that...making us metric just like Holland. And how many countries in the world other than the US do you suppose don't use the Trudeau-imposed metric system? Here's the answer:Metricization was an important symbol. The practical fact is that Canada is tied to the US geographically and going metric imposed huge and unnecessary costs in the name of being more like Europe. The other issues are more profound. Canada's heritage has been being part of the English-speaking world. Again, it is on an English-speaking continent. Requiring bi-lingual labels throughout the country, even in areas where one never hears a word of French, imposes huge costs on the average, workaday Canadian in the name of some elite, theoretical cultural goal. The stripping of British terminology, such as "royal" has not quelled Quebec nationalism. Appeasement almost always gets you more of what you're trying to appease. And castrating the military has turned Canada from a respected country into a joke. Show me one country where Canada has succeeded in "making peace". Trudeau's legacy is the sad, sorry, and unnecessary damage to if not destruction of a great land. What a load of crap. Canada already had the Imperial System based on the British weights and measures. We were already tied to Britain and it was hard for businesses to sell to the U.S. when all the measures were off. Britain was going to convert to metric to makes it easier to trade with Europe and Canada and the U.S. were going to convert as well. Canada did convert and the U.S. did not and is now the only country using the system it does. At any rate, Canada didn't have the system the U.S. did in the first place. Taking the word "Royal" out of some of the government operations in Canada was not about appeasing French Canada. It was about becoming more of a country like the U.S. Perhaps you should look into that. It was about finding a Canadian identity, a flag, an anthem. You are such a right winger that you probably think that the old ensign and God Save the Queen defined Canada's future. Conservatives rejected both measures. Canadians didn't. As far as bilingualism goes, it did have a cost. It always does. The U.S. has a bilingualism being thrust upon it as well. Hello Spanish. You see it in all fifty states now. Try forcing Latinos to speak English and make a law against businesses or government using bilingual labels and raising the costs of your goods to do it. See how far your little plan goes. You always say that you are a left wing Democrat but on the whole it is a lot of talk. I've never seen any evidence of it at all. I can't imagine why you would carry the card at all except tradition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 I guess it shouldn't be surprising that a few people here are so dissatisfied with Canada that they wish to move to the U.S. What's so surprising is hearing the excuses of why people don't do it. Things from, "It's near impossible to get down there" to "It's too hard to pull up stakes and do it" are what others might call "Canadian excuses" for doing nothing but complain.It's not that hard. You make the decision and go. And you make it happen anyway you can. You go to school down there, you enter as a business immigrant, you marry into it, you apply for every job you can. Are people telling me that someone from one of the tiny countries out there has more pull, more desire than you to somehow make it into the U.S.? Perhaps you don't have what it takes to be American anyways. Maybe you just don't belong there. Meanwhile though, we get to hear these rejected would be leavers for the U.S. complain and not actually do something about their own country. Unlike someone who threatens suicide and eventually does it, these would be leavers never do end up pulling the trigger on anything. Like Alec Baldwin and Redford....they never did leave the US, did they? People like to gripe. That's the way it is. Lighten up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normanchateau Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 F%$kin filthy Dutch! Why can't we become more "Swedish", they seem to be doing pretty good. Besides Holland currently has a Conservative type government in control right now, but then again so do the Swedes . Thanks for pointing out that the Dutch do indeed have a Conservative type government. I think many of the posters on this thread are assuming otherwise. Typical of those tulip-sniffing, gouda cheese eaters to have a Conservative government and socially liberal legislation. Maybe Holland is really Canada 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normanchateau Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 This was Trudeau's agenda; make Canada like Europe, complete with Centigrades, kilometers, etc. If ever there was convincing evidence of Trudeau's evil, this was it. Imagine that...making us metric just like Holland. And how many countries in the world other than the US do you suppose don't use the Trudeau-imposed metric system? Here's the answer: http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/internat.htm Metricization was an important symbol. The practical fact is that Canada is tied to the US geographically and going metric imposed huge and unnecessary costs in the name of being more like Europe. The rest of the world extends beyond Europe. Africa, Asia and all of North and South America (except the US) also use the metric system. Are there actually Canadians under the age of 60 who have a problem with Canada being metric? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Become like Holland. Cool....cept those wooden shoes are freezing in winter. The tulips will look nice in spring. Windmills galore...... and everyone can put a finger in a dyke. I'd ask first though. ER be careful about putting a finger in any dyke. Leafless has made his position on same sex marriages in Canada quite clear. Let's not go there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 How right wing of you. I am not a right winger any more than you are. What a load of crap. Canada already had the Imperial System based on the British weights and measures. We were already tied to Britain and it was hard for businesses to sell to the U.S. when all the measures were off. Britain was going to convert to metric to makes it easier to trade with Europe and Canada and the U.S. were going to convert as well. Canada did convert and the U.S. did not and is now the only country using the system it does.At any rate, Canada didn't have the system the U.S. did in the first place. The only differences in imperial measures were volume. Distance and weather were the same, and we now have a continental Tower of Babel thanks to Trudeau. Taking the word "Royal" out of some of the government operations in Canada was not about appeasing French Canada. It was about becoming more of a country like the U.S. Perhaps you should look into that. It was about finding a Canadian identity, a flag, an anthem. You are such a right winger that you probably think that the old ensign and God Save the Queen defined Canada's future. Conservatives rejected both measures. Canadians didn't. Again, I am not a right winger. I just think that shucking old, enduring symbols for new, pallid and untried ones makes no sense. Deconstructing a nation is far easier than building one. The hippies of the 1960's destroyed the US's social order, without anything to put in its place, for example. As far as bilingualism goes, it did have a cost. It always does. And for what in return? The U.S. has a bilingualism being thrust upon it as well. Hello Spanish. You see it in all fifty states now. Try forcing Latinos to speak English and make a law against businesses or government using bilingual labels and raising the costs of your goods to do it. See how far your little plan goes. Ah, but that's different. Because both English and Spanish lack "official status" their use is driven by demand for service by businesses and government in particular languages. I.e. practice defines use. In Canada, you find French labeling in British Columbia supermarkets, and French on airport and national park signage in Alberta. You always say that you are a left wing Democrat but on the whole it is a lot of talk. I've never seen any evidence of it at all. I can't imagine why you would carry the card at all except tradition. Why not read Harry Truman's bio? That gives all the reasons I am a Democrat. The traditions of the party speak loudly and support the same view that government can help people, and that government should fight for the common man that I hold. Fighting for funding of gay pride parades by Hmong males is not a common man objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normanchateau Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Leafless has made his position on same sex marriages in Canada quite clear. Let's not go there! I had assumed Leafless was a she. Do you know otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 I am not a right winger any more than you are.The only differences in imperial measures were volume. Distance and weather were the same, and we now have a continental Tower of Babel thanks to Trudeau. Again, I am not a right winger. I just think that shucking old, enduring symbols for new, pallid and untried ones makes no sense. Deconstructing a nation is far easier than building one. The hippies of the 1960's destroyed the US's social order, without anything to put in its place, for example. And for what in return? Ah, but that's different. Because both English and Spanish lack "official status" their use is driven by demand for service by businesses and government in particular languages. I.e. practice defines use. In Canada, you find French labeling in British Columbia supermarkets, and French on airport and national park signage in Alberta. Why not read Harry Truman's bio? That gives all the reasons I am a Democrat. The traditions of the party speak loudly and support the same view that government can help people, and that government should fight for the common man that I hold. Fighting for funding of gay pride parades by Hmong males is not a common man objective. I've never seen anything to indicate other than a right wing Republican agenda. Sorry. The decision on metric wasn't made in a vacuum. The U.S. was much farther ahead than Canada when it came to unrolling its metric program. Canada was in the catch up stage and unrolled it fast out of fear that we'd be left behind. The U.S. suddenly balked and never went ahead. And now the U.S. crashes its satellites because they have the old system. You were probably opposed to changes to your own flag which added stars. Seems to me that belonging to the Democrats today when you don't believe in anything the party does anymore is a waste of time. Step up and take out a Republican membership. Bilingualism in Canada probably did more for Franco-Ontarians, Franco-Manitobans and Acadians than it did to appease Quebec. I think that if Canada wanted to have Quebec remain in Canada, they did have to have some form of bilingual policy. As far as your semantic argument about demand making the decisions on Spanish. How is that a store in North Dakota has bilingual signs? Is it demand in that store or is it easier for a national store to just make things all bilingual? The official status is not over in the U.S. Spanish speakers will continue to fight for it and as they win office in state after state, they'll get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normanchateau Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 The hippies of the 1960's destroyed the US's social order, without anything to put in its place, for example. Damned, fu*%%#g, tulip-sniffing, wooden sandalled hippies. Guess where they hangout today: "Amsterdam, Holland Reviewer: | See all reviews by Section: Hippie Havens | Category: Place | Area: Netherlands | Topic: Hippiedom THE hippy center of Europe. Marijuana sold legally in more than 400 coffeeshops, a long history of tolerance, beautiful old city, great vibes everywhere, and yes the friendly Dutch speak English. Hippie Heaven! Lots of headshops, smartshops, rave venues, hip fashions, museums and concerts. The Vondelpark has been a gathering place for hippies since the 60s." Source: http://www.hippy.com/review-144.html And now those Dutch hippies are trying to turn Canada into Holland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 I've never seen anything to indicate other than a right wing Republican agenda. Sorry.*snip* You were probably opposed to changes to your own flag which added stars. Seems to me that belonging to the Democrats today when you don't believe in anything the party does anymore is a waste of time. Step up and take out a Republican membership. As far as stars in the flag, by tradition we've always added one for each new state. I was about 22 months old and 30 months old (link) when each of the last two were added. My stepfather still has one of the few flags with 49 stars on it; must have been issued between January and August 1959. There was a great deal of excitement about this; the hula hoop craze (Hawaii) and the rise, to the top of the music charts, of Johnny Horton's "North to Alaska". Bilingualism in Canada probably did more for Franco-Ontarians, Franco-Manitobans and Acadians than it did to appease Quebec. I think that if Canada wanted to have Quebec remain in Canada, they did have to have some form of bilingual policy. There's nothing wrong with French having an appropriate voice in Court proceedings or Parliamentary debates; there is a lot wrong with forcing the use of French in parts of the country with zero demand for it. I do not believe that Franco-Ontarians gain much if any benefit from the odd "Arret" sign, or calling it "Rue Yonge" or "Rue Bloor". As far as your semantic argument about demand making the decisions on Spanish. How is that a store in North Dakota has bilingual signs? Is it demand in that store or is it easier for a national store to just make things all bilingual?The official status is not over in the U.S. Spanish speakers will continue to fight for it and as they win office in state after state, they'll get it. Again, it's demand driven. Hispanics are all over the place. There are also Chinese signs in various Chinatowns. In the US, there is no official language status (except interestingly Louisiana, to gain admission to the Union, had to designate English as Louisiana's official language; we did not need another Quebec-type cancer). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normanchateau Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Harper's hidden agenda: turn Canada into Belgium http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_zolf/20041028.html http://www.macleans.ca/switchboard/columni...108_91853_91853 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 As far as stars in the flag, by tradition we've always added one for each new state. I was about 22 months old and 30 months old (link) when each of the last two were added. My stepfather still has one of the few flags with 49 stars on it; must have been issued between January and August 1959. There was a great deal of excitement about this; the hula hoop craze (Hawaii) and the rise, to the top of the music charts, of Johnny Horton's "North to Alaska".There's nothing wrong with French having an appropriate voice in Court proceedings or Parliamentary debates; there is a lot wrong with forcing the use of French in parts of the country with zero demand for it. I do not believe that Franco-Ontarians gain much if any benefit from the odd "Arret" sign, or calling it "Rue Yonge" or "Rue Bloor". Again, it's demand driven. Hispanics are all over the place. There are also Chinese signs in various Chinatowns. In the US, there is no official language status (except interestingly Louisiana, to gain admission to the Union, had to designate English as Louisiana's official language; we did not need another Quebec-type cancer). And yet, you think that Canada creating its own identity with flag, anthem and institutions is something we should have been doing. You'll have to show me where French is forced on somebody against their will. It never has been with me. And we've seen out you deal with your difficulties in the U.S.: You have a civil war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck E Stan Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 You'll have to show me where French is forced on somebody against their will. It never has been with me. Come on Dobbin, you know full well the language police will nab you if your sign isn't in French in Quebec or your kids don't go to a French schools if you're an immigrant in Quebec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Come on Dobbin, you know full well the language police will nab you if your sign isn't in French in Quebec or your kids don't go to a French schools if you're an immigrant in Quebec. That's a provincial law not a federal law. I don't live in Quebec. My comments were on the official bilingualism policy of Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normanchateau Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 You'll have to show me where French is forced on somebody against their will. It never has been with me. And even if it were forced on Canadians, I don't see that Harper's policies on bilingualism differ from those of the Liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck E Stan Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Come on Dobbin, you know full well the language police will nab you if your sign isn't in French in Quebec or your kids don't go to a French schools if you're an immigrant in Quebec. That's a provincial law not a federal law. I don't live in Quebec. My comments were on the official bilingualism policy of Canada. Fedral law says we're a bilingual country, last I heard Quebec was still in Canada. Where are the Anglo rights in Quebec,Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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