xx_pickles_xx Posted December 7, 2006 Report Posted December 7, 2006 Was Stephane Dion a good choice for the liberals? is he really going to help the canadian political situation? Quote
jbg Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 Was Stephane Dion a good choice for the liberals? is he really going to help the canadian political situation? Chretien without the peasant "story line". Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Vancouver King Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 Was Stephane Dion a good choice for the liberals? is he really going to help the canadian political situation? An emphasis on the environment file will help his election chances. When Harper and other Albertans point out that CO2 emissions climbed 30+% while Dion was Environment Minister, he can always retort that Alberta oilsands/oil patch activity accounted for roughly 75% of that increase. If we could only get them to use scrubbers. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
geoffrey Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 I don't think scrubbers affect CO2. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Vancouver King Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 I don't think scrubbers affect CO2. "BBC NEWS / Science/Nature/Plan to build emission scrubber". "Engineers try to build a system to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere". http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3612739.stm Sure they can. Why isn't Alberta funding this research or similar from a provincial treasury awash with cash? It is a travesty that Alberta pollutes the nation's air at will - 1000% higher greenhouse gas emissions than neighboring BC. Federal Liberals should be sketching strategy along the lines of isolating Harper and Alberta's new premier over the provinces refusal to invest in leading edge technologies instead of pumping ever increasing amounts of pollution into the air we breathe. Preston Manning tried to bring Tories to their senses when he took a run at the premiers office only to cut his bid short when it was obvious there wasn't the slightest interest from the province or Ottawa in such investments. The Conservatives could have owned the enviro file and converted it into a majority govt. Instead they will pay the consequences for the politics of greed. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
normanchateau Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 The Conservatives could have owned the enviro file and converted it into a majority govt. Instead they used it as a place to park failed CPC religious extremist and anti-abortion candidates like Darrel Reid of "Focus on the Family". Quote
August1991 Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 "Engineers try to build a system to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere".I think the emphasis should be placed on the word "try" in that headline.As to the choice of Dion, I think the Liberals would have shown some daring and originality (and a true desire to fix the party) if they had chosen Ignatieff. Dion was well inside the Liberal comfort zone. They say that some people thrive on competition and I think that adage applies to Dion and Harper. Both will be better politicians because of their opposite. It is a travesty that Alberta pollutes the nation's air at will - 1000% higher greenhouse gas emissions than neighboring BC.That statement shows the appalling ignorance underneath this debate of environmental issues. Quote
stignasty Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 It is a travesty that Alberta pollutes the nation's air at will - 1000% higher greenhouse gas emissions than neighboring BC. That statement shows the appalling ignorance underneath this debate of environmental issues. I don't know. My son's mustang probably puts at least 500% more greenhouse gases into the the atmosphere than all of BC (all by itself). Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
fellowtraveller Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 Was Stephane Dion a good choice for the liberals? is he really going to help the canadian political situation? An emphasis on the environment file will help his election chances. When Harper and other Albertans point out that CO2 emissions climbed 30+% while Dion was Environment Minister, he can always retort that Alberta oilsands/oil patch activity accounted for roughly 75% of that increase. If we could only get them to use scrubbers. After Dion makes that nonsensical retort, is he also going to: a) deny that Alberta was part of Canada during his tenure as Environment Minister, just as it is now, and deny that along with that 75% came greatly increased prosperity for his own government? Truly, one can only hope and pray that Dion engages in this type of argument. Harper will eat him alive. Quote The government should do something.
kimmy Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 If I'm not mistaken, submarines and spacecraft use chemical means to convert carbon dioxide to oxygen. The idea that such a process could be applied to automotive or industrial applications isn't beyond the realm of possibility. However, there's a rather significant difference of scale between the amount of carbon dioxide generated by a few dozen crewmen as compared to the amount of carbon dioxide generated by a massive-scale industrial process such as electrical generating plants or oil-sands processing. I think that present-day carbon dioxide scrubbing technologies require disposable reagents, as well, which raises additional questions, such as how much pollution or waste or energy is consumed in making these reagents, and whether disposing of massive quantities of used carbon dioxide scrubbing reagent is an even bigger environmental worry than the carbon dioxide. I don't know either way. It might, it might not. But if taking 1000 tons of C02 emissions out of the air generated 2000 tons of toxic sludge, it would be dubious progress. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 Was Stephane Dion a good choice for the liberals? is he really going to help the canadian political situation?I think the answer to both questions is, "it depends".Was he a good choice to lead the Liberals? It depends on what they want to accomplish. If their ambition is to regain their losses in central Canada and form a minority government, then the answer is that Dion was probably a good choice. Is he going to help the Canadian political situation? I guess it depends on what you consider wrong with the Canadian political situation. If you think that what this country needs is a return to the regional strife of the late 1990s, then Stephane Dion is a great choice because that's where we'll be headed under his leadership. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
August1991 Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 If I'm not mistaken, submarines and spacecraft use chemical means to convert carbon dioxide to oxygen. The idea that such a process could be applied to automotive or industrial applications isn't beyond the realm of possibility.If you saw the movie Apollo 13, then you saw the engineers build such a device with duct tape and other paraphenalia. So, it can be done. As you point out Kimmy, there's a difference in scale between a small tin can in space and the earth's atmosphere. Controlling CO2 emissions poses a problem because of the volume.Current thinking is that it would be cheaper to sequester the CO2 by absorbing it in some way rather than trying to convert it in to something else. The word "scrubber" is usually applied to catalytic convertors that remove, for example, sulphur from the exhaust of burning coal. Quote
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