Dion's Clean Air Plan Rips Off a David Suzuki report?

[betsy]

Stephane Dion's Clean Air Plan rips off a David Suzuki Foundation report

The story of how Stephane Dion's "Clean Air Plan" grabbed chunks of the report "The Air We Breathe" put out by the David Suzuki Foundation has made it to the front page of the Globe and Mail online.

Part of Dion environmental plan changed after blog report

http://stevejanke.com/archives/195299.php

Globe and Mail Update

Tuesday, September 05, 2006

Liberal leadership candidate Stephane Dion's campaign hastily changed part of the candidate's environmental platform as posted on his Web site today after a blog reported that parts of it were almost identical copies — without attribution — of a David Suzuki Foundation paper published the previous week.

Mr. Dion plans to formally unveil his $10-billion energy and climate change plan later today, but he has already been trumpeting his "Clean Air Plan" since Sept.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Pag...orce_login=true

[gerryhatrick]

Good God. This is pathetic.

Dion seems to have rightwingers in a fright!

[gc1765]

David Suzuki doesn't seem to mind, in fact he is quite happy about it. So....who exactly is the victim here? No one.

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[Canuck E Stan]

Good God. This is pathetic.

What......oh no,......a Liberal who's a leftist religious zelot, bringing religion into politics.

Pray for his and Bob Rae's soul.

[gerryhatrick]

What a sad topic.

It reeks of desperation.

[cybercoma]

What a sad topic.

It reeks of desperation.

Please stop trolling.

[gerryhatrick]

What a sad topic.

It reeks of desperation.

Please stop trolling.

How am I trolling? My response is legit.

Ironically, your response is typical trolling.

[Canuck E Stan]

What a sad topic.

It reeks of desperation.

Please stop trolling.

How am I trolling? My response is legit.

Ironically, your response is typical trolling.

Careful Gerry, that last statement looks a lot like plagiarism of Cybercoma's idea.

[cybercoma]

Careful Gerry, that last statement looks a lot like plagiarism of Cybercoma's idea.

Saying I'm trolling by asking him to stop trolling...

...then telling me I'm trolling.

Yeah. I didn't think it deserved a response.

[Leader Circle]

Stephane Dion's Clean Air Plan rips off a David Suzuki Foundation report

The story of how Stephane Dion's "Clean Air Plan" grabbed chunks of the report "The Air We Breathe" put out by the David Suzuki Foundation has made it to the front page of the Globe and Mail online.

Part of Dion environmental plan changed after blog report

http://stevejanke.com/archives/195299.php

Globe and Mail Update

Tuesday, September 05, 2006

Liberal leadership candidate Stephane Dion's campaign hastily changed part of the candidate's environmental platform as posted on his Web site today after a blog reported that parts of it were almost identical copies — without attribution — of a David Suzuki Foundation paper published the previous week.

Mr. Dion plans to formally unveil his $10-billion energy and climate change plan later today, but he has already been trumpeting his "Clean Air Plan" since Sept.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Pag...orce_login=true

The only good thing I can see taking away from Suzuki would be life support and hopefully the Harper Gov't will privatize the CBC and SOOZOOKEY will be out on his ass!

[geoffrey]

Well, Dion was fossil of the day. He's been labelled an imcompetent, environmental failure by the same people that had the applause of the Liberals when they named Ambrose fossil.

So he needs to steal ideas, he has none that work on this own. What were the stats on GHG when the Liberals were in power again? Oh ya. They were COMPLETE failures.

[gc1765]

Well, Dion was fossil of the day. He's been labelled an imcompetent, environmental failure by the same people that had the applause of the Liberals when they named Ambrose fossil.

So he needs to steal ideas, he has none that work on this own. What were the stats on GHG when the Liberals were in power again? Oh ya. They were COMPLETE failures.

What's wrong with a politcian taking ideas from an expert on the subject? Don't most politcians consult experts, and if so why the heck not? Who is going to know more about the environment, a politician or a scientist who has dedicated his career/life to the environment?

What do you think the Liberals should have done to reduce greenhouse gases (aside from a carbon tax because I know you and a lot of Albertans would never go for that idea) ?

[geoffrey]

Personally, I don't think Suzuki is an expert on climate change. He's a zoologist, specialising in genetics. Maybe evolution, but not GHG or global warming.

Slap a PhD in front of someone's name and you'll believe anything they say. It's rather sad.

What should they have done? California style car emission standards would have been a fantastic start.

Anything other than having Mercer beg us to buy new furances, however neat that is.

[gc1765]

Personally, I don't think Suzuki is an expert on climate change. He's a zoologist, specialising in genetics. Maybe evolution, but not GHG or global warming.

Slap a PhD in front of someone's name and you'll believe anything they say. It's rather sad.

I wouldn't believe anything he said, but if I had the choice between believing someone with a "PhD" in front of their name or believing someone with a "Minister of the (fill in the blank)", in front of their name, I'd go with the PhD.

[geoffrey]

Even if his PhD was in historical studies and he was doing a double bypass on you?

[gc1765]

Even if his PhD was in historical studies and he was doing a double bypass on you?

Not unless he also happened to be an MD, specializing in surgery.

But your description doesn't really fit Suzuki. It doesn't really matter if he has a PhD, or what it's in. He has also been involved in environmental issues for a long time, and that makes him more qualified than just about any politician I have seen. Are there people with more experitse on the environment than Suzuki? Perhaps. Does Suzuki have more expertise than a typical politician? You bet.

[geoffrey]

Even if his PhD was in historical studies and he was doing a double bypass on you?

Not unless he also happened to be an MD, specializing in surgery.

But your description doesn't really fit Suzuki. It doesn't really matter if he has a PhD, or what it's in. He has also been involved in environmental issues for a long time, and that makes him more qualified than just about any politician I have seen. Are there people with more experitse on the environment than Suzuki? Perhaps. Does Suzuki have more expertise than a typical politician? You bet.

Agreed. But he's an arrogant radical. When I hear a practical solution from him, I'll listen.

I miss the days when he was about science and not activism, when his show the nature of things was a fantastic watch.

[gc1765]

Agreed. But he's an arrogant radical. When I hear a practical solution from him, I'll listen.

One of his practical solutions is California-style emission regulations. I believe that is the same practical solution that you offered on this thread.

As part of a fact-finding mission, Minister Dion is in California this week to talk to Governor Schwarzenegger about legislating cleaner cars. A Republican governor may seem like an odd choice for advice on the subject, but the Government of California has just legislated mandatory emission standards for all new vehicles sold in the state. Their new laws have targets and timetables that the industry will be legally required to meet.

For the sake of Canadians' health and well-being, one must hope that Minister Dion will be encouraged by California's success at developing mandatory targets and stick to his guns. After all, if a Hummer-driving Republican can see the advantages of stronger fuel-efficiency legislation, we must hope that the Canadian political leaders of all stripes will be able to do the same.

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As for his other ideas....well I don't really know enough about Suzuki to give any meaningful comments.

[Saturn]

Well, Dion was fossil of the day. He's been labelled an imcompetent, environmental failure by the same people that had the applause of the Liberals when they named Ambrose fossil.

So he needs to steal ideas, he has none that work on this own. What were the stats on GHG when the Liberals were in power again? Oh ya. They were COMPLETE failures.

What's wrong with a politcian taking ideas from an expert on the subject? Don't most politcians consult experts, and if so why the heck not? Who is going to know more about the environment, a politician or a scientist who has dedicated his career/life to the environment?

No, the current government consults the oil and gas industry on environemental policy. Why the hell would you consult scientists on the environment when you can consult the biggest polluters in the county instead?

[Saturn]

Even if his PhD was in historical studies and he was doing a double bypass on you?

Not unless he also happened to be an MD, specializing in surgery.

But your description doesn't really fit Suzuki. It doesn't really matter if he has a PhD, or what it's in. He has also been involved in environmental issues for a long time, and that makes him more qualified than just about any politician I have seen. Are there people with more experitse on the environment than Suzuki? Perhaps. Does Suzuki have more expertise than a typical politician? You bet.

Agreed. But he's an arrogant radical. When I hear a practical solution from him, I'll listen.

I miss the days when he was about science and not activism, when his show the nature of things was a fantastic watch.

Pfff. What do you know about science? For you everything is about money and your "standard of living" (whatever that is). If science helps you make money it's great, and if it doesn't it's a hoax.

[geoffrey]

Pfff. What do you know about science? For you everything is about money and your "standard of living" (whatever that is). If science helps you make money it's great, and if it doesn't it's a hoax.

Standard of living is the ends of which all politics should be directed at.

If I had my choice between a GHG emitting Canada and Mozambique, I know which one I'd pick.

[geoffrey]

Agreed. But he's an arrogant radical. When I hear a practical solution from him, I'll listen.

One of his practical solutions is California-style emission regulations. I believe that is the same practical solution that you offered on this thread.

Indeed, but that's where our similarities end.

Suzuki believes in destroying the Coco growers that create the product. I believe in shutting down the traffickers and allow the Coco growers to sell their coco in none cocaine fashion.

Those traffickers are the auto industry in Canada. They provide the means. 70% of the GHG emissions are from transportation. That's our focus. Less gas and diesel burned in cars, less emissions. Bottom line.

Shutting down the tarsands just means ramping up production elsewhere in the world to satisfy the shift in supply. Your not going to win the GHG battle by taxing production, that will ONLY make fuels more expensive, but the demand there is very inelastic, people will pay anyways. Much of those emissions are related to getting food to your table, so it's not like that can just stop now, can it?

The only solution is to regulate those that provides the means... the auto industry, definitely the aerospace industry, and others that make the tools that create GHG emissions. Oil in a barrel is carbon neutral. It's only an issue when it's burned.

I also strongly advocate much more careful management of our forestry areas in Canada. One of the best ways to reduce CO2 in the atomosphere is to plant more trees and protect parkland. As well, keeping our lakes and rivers toxin free so that natural flora there can provide a carbon sink is also highly important.

[betsy]

I don't buy everything Suzuki says anyway.

But if this is true...this is plagiarism. Which is a form of STEALING.

I guess I sound desperate enough.

Anyway...what is it really about the Liberals and Honesty? They seem to repel one another.

[betsy]

What a sad topic.

It reeks of desperation.

You and company are the ones who seem desperately trying hard.

Look! All I did was post an article. You and company reacted like a bomb exploded in your seats!

Gee...you guys are too jumpy. Way too jumpy.

[MightyAC]

The full plan comes out later today. I really hope it does borrow many of Suzuki's ideas. Despite being an activist and a bit of a showboat many of his environmental ideas are both balanced and practical. I anxiously awaited the CPC green plan hoping the party least likely to save the environment actually would emerge as the white knight we needed. I didn't expect much but a series of 3 or 4 announcements leading to further announcements led me to believe they were building hype for a big, solid green plan that would be the corner stone of their next election campaign. Sadly, as we all know it was a huge flop and an embarrassment to both the PM and Ms. Ambrose.

Well I'm doing the same now, anxiously awaiting the big green plan we need. This plan had better contain some good ideas or the wind will be completely let out of the Liberal sails. The Libs know the environment is a major issue now, they know Harper and the Cons blew it big time, they had better step up to the plate. They don't need to hit a home run but extra bases would be nice. The CPC plan was a strike out so I'd say double or better will give the red team another momentum boost. Anyway, we'll see what happens soon.