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[gerryhatrick]

U.S. legislator warns of Bush plot to merge Canada, the U.S. and Mexico

Beth Gorham, The Canadian Press

Published: Tuesday, November 21, 2006

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WASHINGTON -- A U.S. legislator who backs tough anti-immigrant measures and more security at the Canada-U.S. border is warning Americans that President George W. Bush is plotting to integrate the continent.

And he says Prime Minister Stephen Harper “buys into it.”

Colorado Republican Tom Tancredo, revered by some U.S. conservatives for his efforts to staunch the flow of illegal immigrants from Mexico, said this week that Bush is a dangerous internationalist.

“He is going to do what he can to create a place where the idea of America is just that, it’s an idea. It’s not an actual place defined by borders. I mean this is where the guy is really going,” he told WorldNetDaily, a controversial conservative website.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/st...2d0&k=13644

I know we're supposed to comment on topics, but I'm almost speachless.

This is a Republican telling us this.

I know there's no evidence beyond his expressed fears, but he's part of that Government and thus gets a serious hearing.

[geoffrey]

He's not part of the government, he's part of the legislature. That's like saying we should have listened more to Hedy when the crosses were burning.

More evidence is needed before anyone should even care.

[Ladyjen]

Nothing Bush and gang does surprises me. But if this is true, then why do we now need passports to enter the U.S. and vice versa? Seems to me that they have tightened up the Canadian border. But then we won't pick cotton or fruit in Florida for $2 an hour, so why let us in willy nilly?

[gerryhatrick]

He's not part of the government, he's part of the legislature.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. He's a Congressman. Is that not part of the Government?

[geoffrey]

He's not part of the government, he's part of the legislature.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. He's a Congressman. Is that not part of the Government?

Yes, I suppose it is. But that's like saying the NDP speaks for Canadian policy, I don't buy that.

I consider government in this sense more of the beaucracy, and the cabinet which sets their policy. An individual legislator can be as wacky as can be... in fact, I'd suggest many are.

This isn't a whistle blower, this is a shit disturber.

[Riverwind]

WASHINGTON -- A U.S. legislator who backs tough anti-immigrant measures and more security at the Canada-U.S. border

The guy is xenophobe that makes up stories to support restrictive policies. He is the American equivalent of Mel Hurtig.

[gerryhatrick]

He's not part of the government, he's part of the legislature.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. He's a Congressman. Is that not part of the Government?

Yes, I suppose it is. But that's like saying the NDP speaks for Canadian policy, I don't buy that.

Uh, if the NDP was in power perhaps.

I appreciate your attempt to downplay this, but could you make it a little more factual. First you claim that the guy isn't in Government. After having that error pointed out to you, you decide to draw a parallel with the NDP...which clearly is NOT a governing party.

[geoffrey]

Ok then Gerry, if you insist.

If big ol' Myron Thompson says queers aren't human, that's the gospel truth because it's from a government, ruling party offical. Or if he says we are going to united with the south in a giant North American love fest, it's the truth?

[gerryhatrick]

Ok then Gerry, if you insist.

It's not a matter of me insisting. I'm trying to be reasonable about it. You claim that this Republican is not part of the Government, and after I politely point out that he's a Congressman you claimed that he's akin to the NDP.

[geoffrey]

Ok then Gerry, if you insist.

It's not a matter of me insisting. I'm trying to be reasonable about it. You claim that this Republican is not part of the Government, and after I politely point out that he's a Congressman you claimed that he's akin to the NDP.

So everything Myron Thompson says is evidence of government policy?

[Argus]

Ok then Gerry, if you insist.

It's not a matter of me insisting. I'm trying to be reasonable about it. You claim that this Republican is not part of the Government, and after I politely point out that he's a Congressman you claimed that he's akin to the NDP.

The Executive and Legislative and branches are quite distinct in the US - as you know. And individual legislators are quite independant as compared to Canadian MPs. There are lots of wacko US congressmen out there. They're not even hard to find. Their utterances do not in any way reflect the thinking or policy of the Executive branch, or, in most cases, their own parties.

[gerryhatrick]

Ok then Gerry, if you insist.

It's not a matter of me insisting. I'm trying to be reasonable about it. You claim that this Republican is not part of the Government, and after I politely point out that he's a Congressman you claimed that he's akin to the NDP.

The Executive and Legislative and branches are quite distinct in the US - as you know. And individual legislators are quite independant as compared to Canadian MPs. There are lots of wacko US congressmen out there. They're not even hard to find. Their utterances do not in any way reflect the thinking or policy of the Executive branch, or, in most cases, their own parties.

But nevertheless, he IS a part of Government down there.

[kimmy]

But nevertheless, he IS a part of Government down there.

Semantics. If he's a part of it, he's a wing-nut part of it. The analogy to Myron Thompson is a good one. Tom Tancredo might have been elected as a Republican, but there's no reason to think he's an "insider" with Bush, or especially to have any basis to say "I think the Prime Minister of Canada buys into it." In fact, he seems to be openly antagonistic to Bush:

His outspoken advocacy for what he terms immigration reform, particularly since his criticizing of George W. Bush's border security controls, has made him persona non grata in the White House. Tancredo and Bush's political advisor, Karl Rove, got into a "screaming match" after Tancredo claimed that "if the nation suffered another attack at the hands of terrorists able to skirt immigration laws, the blood of the people killed" would be on the president’s and Congress’s hands. Rove responded by calling the congressman "a traitor to the party", "a traitor to the president", and warned him to never "darken the doorstep of the White House."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Tancredo

Other highlights:

-proposes to stop all immigration, illegal or otherwise.

-proposes to destroy Mecca if Muslim terrorists attack the US again.

-spoke as a guest of the "League of the South" group, a racist, separatist group seeking to restore the Confederacy.

His claim is pure scare-mongering. He's trying to spread fear among Americans to support his anti-immigrant agenda.

-k

[Hydraboss]

MLW Poster warns of Bush plot to merge the Harper Conservatives, the Bush Republicans and the Kimmy Party

Hydraboss, The MLW

Published: Today

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CANADA -- A MLW poster who backs tough anti-stupidity threads and useless pandering on the MLW is warning MLW members that President George W. Bush is plotting to integrate the three parties.

And he says Prime Minister Stephen Harper "buys into it."

MLW poster Hydraboss, revered by some MLW Liberal supporters for his efforts to stop the flow of pointless threads from certain posters, said today that Bush is a dangerous internationalist.

"He is going to do what he can to create a place where the deer and the antelope play. It's just that it's an idea. It's not going to be an actual "party", but more of a "shindig". The existing parties are seperated by borders. I mean this is where the guy is really going," he told himself. "A move like this could see the Kimmy Party in charge of setting policy for all of North America. It would be a disgrace; all that happiness, getting along, and drinking...don't forget about the drinking. There is simply no place in this country for an amalgamated Kimmy Party."

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?

I know we're supposed to comment on topics, but I'm almost speachless.

This is a Conservative telling us this.

[kimmy]

Quiet, you! That was supposed to be a secret memo!

-k

[gerryhatrick]

This is news. It appeared in both my local dailies.

Whether it's got any merit or whether this MEMBER OF THE US GOVERNMENT is a wackjob or not is for us to debate and comment on.

If the news is too much for some posters and drives them to personal and off topic nonsense then they should refrain from posting.

[Cameron]

Gerry. was this "statement" backed up by anyone in Canada?

[kimmy]

Whether it's got any merit or whether this MEMBER OF THE US GOVERNMENT is a wackjob or not is for us to debate and comment on.

Are you serious, Gerry? You want us to discuss an alleged North American unification plot without commenting on whether the guy making the allegation is believable?

Regardless of how many newspapers this story got published in, it's still a story about the seemingly outrageous claims of a single man. Therefore, that man's credibility is central to any discussion of the issue.

I mean, really, Gerry. How can you suggest otherwise?

-k

[gerryhatrick]

Gerry. was this "statement" backed up by anyone in Canada?

Cameron you know as much as I do from the news.

I've posted a link to the story.

If you want to pursue that I'd suggest emailing this Republican Congressman and asking him what leads him to say that. My impression is that his opinion is all that has been reported on thus far, and I would be surprised if anyone from the CPC did confirm it.

[gerryhatrick]

Whether it's got any merit or whether this MEMBER OF THE US GOVERNMENT is a wackjob or not is for us to debate and comment on.

Are you serious, Gerry? You want us to discuss an alleged North American unification plot without commenting on whether the guy making the allegation is believable?

For godsake kimmy I never said that. Why do you continuously misrepresent me and create these off-topic exchanges?

Incredibly I said the exact oppossite! Debate and comment on whether he's believable/ "a wackjob" (I said) or not. Just don't waste the forums time questioning if he's a member of the US Government as has been done (and subsequently wasted even more time and space).

[MLP]

How pathetic do you have to be to use WorldNetDaily as a source? Most peopole already know you're a naive partisan hack, but using a nortoriously unreliable tabloid as a source should prove it to the 2 or 3 people that didn't already realise how insane you are.

[Canadian Blue]

QUOTE(geoffrey @ Nov 21 2006, 11:48 PM)

He's not part of the government, he's part of the legislature.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. He's a Congressman. Is that not part of the Government?

No, American politics is a different ballgame Gerry. Congress is largely independant of what Bush does, it's fairly easy for a Republican in either house to vote against the president or for the president. This guy doesn't speak for the executive.

Hell, I think David Duke even got elected as a state legislator. [Not that long however]

For godsake kimmy I never said that. Why do you continuously misrepresent me and create these off-topic exchanges?

Incredibly I said the exact oppossite! Debate and comment on whether he's believable/ "a wackjob" (I said) or not. Just don't waste the forums time questioning if he's a member of the US Government as has been done (and subsequently wasted even more time and space).

I think this entire topic is a waste of space. Tom Tancredo can't be taken seriously, he has never even met Harper. As for him being a Republican, it doesn't really make a difference what political affiliation one has down in the US. John McCain was at times a huge thorn in the side of the Bush administration, and he was a Republican.

Apples and Oranges.

How pathetic do you have to be to use WorldNetDaily as a source? Most peopole already know you're a naive partisan hack, but using a nortoriously unreliable tabloid as a source should prove it to the 2 or 3 people that didn't already realise how insane you are.

He's not insane, simply a committed Liberal. I'm not surprised to see atleast four or five topics go up in a day which do nothing but bash Harper.

[cybercoma]

Uh, if the NDP was in power perhaps.

I appreciate your attempt to downplay this, but could you make it a little more factual. First you claim that the guy isn't in Government. After having that error pointed out to you, you decide to draw a parallel with the NDP...which clearly is NOT a governing party.

The Republicans aren't in power in Congress and the United States elects its President....unlike Canada who puts a party in power and their leader then becomes Prime Minister.

[Wilber]

But nevertheless, he IS a part of Government down there.

I think Geoffrey is right. The President and Cabinet are the Government in the US just as the Prime Minister and Cabinet are the Government here. Legislators in the US have more freedom than MP's in the positions they take and what they chose to support but they aren't technically the Government.

What ever he may have to say is no more government policy than the aforementioned Heddy's position on cross burning in Prince George.

[gerryhatrick]

But nevertheless, he IS a part of Government down there.

I think Geoffrey is right. The President and Cabinet are the Government in the US just as the Prime Minister and Cabinet are the Government here. Legislators in the US have more freedom than MP's in the positions they take and what they chose to support but they aren't technically the Government.

What ever he may have to say is no more government policy than the aforementioned Heddy's position on cross burning in Prince George.

House of

I never claimed that his words are "government policy".

He is part of the government. He is a Republican in Congress.

Whatever semantics others want to wrap around that doesn't change it.