Rumsfeld departure a sad loss

[Leafless]

Anyone with a sense of strong western values knows automatically the Iraqi war on terrorism is not a war to be criticized under any circumstance especially by a westerner...

I find anyone to go to the lengths you have to be this critical of this Iraq conflict is not one to possess western interest at heart and as a result you could be viewed as a traitor by citizens of both the U.S. and Canada, especially not being a U.S. citizen.

This is TOTAL B.S. Utter crap.

Anyone who criticized the war in Iraq is an enemy of western ideologies?! How about this -- anyone who is either too afraid or too jingoistic to demand better of his government is nothing but a nationalist. Anyone who thinks we could not have done better is a loser. Anyone who thinks that we have not lived up to our potential is someone who accepts mediocrity. Anyone who criticicizes contsitutional rights -- like freedom of speech -- is an abettor of the forces that corrupt western ideology. How about that? Again, look in the mirror, traitor.

You foolishly cling to the notion that any criticism of the way this war was waged is a criticism of western ideology. Sorry, bud, but you missed Western Civics 101: anyone who fails to force his government to do better is a traitor to western ideology. By falling subservient to whatever political force rules the country, I count you among the boot-lickers of history. You want to undermine those who seek better for our country. You are a traitor to western thought.

People who think like you are perhaps better suited to nations where agreeing with the government is the ulitmate civic virtue. If so, consider your passport to North Korea, Iran and Burma pre-stamped and consider yourself cleared for customs.

I await YOUR apology, traitor-to-the-west.

I do believe in Canadian nationalism, thanks for the compliment.

I am a sub-servant to the political force that SHOULD be ruling this country not the imaginary Liberal one and is directly why I think the charter belongs in the garbage can.

I seek better ways for our government to do things to and in Canada this is called 'elections' not by bad mouthing the president of the U.S. and his secretary of state.

Thanks for the traitor compliment, by your definition suits me fine.

Hope you enjoy your traitor compliment and by your own definition is what you are.

BTW- Since everyone is picking on spelling errors you've made three obvious ones: criticicizes, consitutional, ultmate.

[Black Dog]

You went to lengths in post #63 describing the U.S. invasion of Iraq as a blundered failure caused by an incompetent Bush and Rumsfeld.

It's obvious you do not consider the Iraq war on terror an absolute necessity concerning the salvation of western ideologies.

You realize you're essentially saying that criticizing the conduct of the war and its architects (as many pro-war types have) is the same as being against the war? Do you realize how crazy that is?

Anyone with a sense of strong western values knows automatically the Iraqi war on terrorism is not a war to be criticized under any circumstance especially by a westerner.

Whoops, I guess not. This is fallacious on so many levels that I think it bent the space/time continuum and created a powerful singularity composed of compressed particals of "WTF?".

I find anyone to go to the lengths you have to be this critical of this Iraq conflict is not one to possess western interest at heart and as a result you could be viewed as a traitor by citizens of both the U.S. and Canada, especially not being a U.S. citizen.

Leafless!

[GostHacked]

I will say now that I think Leafless is simply trolling for the responses he is getting. For no one can be that.... um wait.... war on what?

Leafless. I don't know what your game is here in this thread, but I am calling you out on it.

[Leafless]

I will say now that I think Leafless is simply trolling for the responses he is getting. For no one can be that.... um wait.... war on what?

Leafless. I don't know what your game is here in this thread, but I am calling you out on it.

I don't share your sense of humour.

If you don't have any sense of patriotism for Canada and recognize the fact the U.S. is responsible for Canada's sovereignty and prosperity. What else could be possibly said about the only country in the world that is generous enough to lend a hand concerning Canada's salvation and continues to do it. Why is recognizing the U.S. as a trusted friend and ally so hard to acknowledge?

Why would any Canadian citizen not trust and believe U.S. leadership is the only factor that will produce the continuation of capitalism with the net result that could help and achieve a more properous and safer U.S. and Canada?

Do you not think the U.S. could bring Canada to it's knees any time it feels like it without firing a single shot?

[Black Dog]

If you don't have any sense of patriotism for Canada and recognize the fact the U.S. is responsible for Canada's sovereignty and prosperity. What else could be possibly said about the only country in the world that is generous enough to lend a hand concerning Canada's salvation and continues to do it. Why is recognizing the U.S. as a trusted friend and ally so hard to acknowledge?

Trade is a two way street, you know. We don't have such close economic ties wih the Yanks because they feel they have to do us some favours. There's 5.2 million Americans who depend on trade with Canada for their jobs. Our trade relationship is the largest in the world. Now, that's great. But its business. That does not mean we as Canadians or our government must march in lockstep with the U.S. on every issue, or that our close ties preempt any criticism or discussion of their policies. Basically, you're arguing that we oew Ameria so much that we must prostrate ourselves before it, lick its boots and kiss the proverbial ground it walks on or be branded as traitors. To which I say: screw that.

Why would any Canadian citizen not trust and believe U.S. leadership is the only factor that will produce the continuation of capitalism with the net result that could help and achieve a more properous and safer U.S. and Canada?

Because the concept of infallibility and the divine right of kings is passe. Anyway, you're conflating capitalism with state/political leadership: I thought that was abig right wing no-no.

Do you not think the U.S. could bring Canada to it's knees any time it feels like it without firing a single shot?

Why would they?