We pay while Indians live in luxury

[Posit]

Right, oh Troothar. Now then, are you telling me that I can simply renounce my Canadian citizenship and join a tribe just like that, in spite of my ruddy Scots complexsion or any trace of Indian blood, be alotted all the perks of tribehood, and blissfully partake in the ongoing snivelfest?

That's right Snotty boy. You get bonus points if you can trace your Scott aboriginal heritage through all the women in your family. Mind you like MDancer I suspect your application would be rejected because you don't meet the basic criteria. In Iroquois terms you are pretty much a criminal and they don't let criminals join.

[M.Dancer]

The Great Law of Peace

You can start reading at #66 & #73. You will need an Iroquoian sponsor and must comply with certain requirements. First of all you need to be a worthy person and I highly doubt you will find anyone to vouch for you on that. So you might try sticking to being a Canadian.

So in otherwords it's race based and exclusionary....now where is the link from the Canadian Gov't?

[M.Dancer]

In Iroquois terms you are pretty much a criminal and they don't let criminals join.

Unless of course you drink heavily then you can be a warrior......

[Posit]

So in otherwords it's race based and exclusionary....now where is the link from the Canadian Gov't?

You don't read very well, do you? The answer is in the Great Law and no it is not exclusionary. You just need a sponsor, just like you do under some circumstances to immigrate to Canada.

The Canadian government is irrelevent to this discussion. The Confederacy are sovereign...the US recognizes that....

[ScottSA]

This thread is a howl! Posit, you have just proven the falsity of your case. The fact is that the merits of my application to the US are based on many things, but not on race. The merits of my application to the Iroquois "nation" are based on race. You know it and I know it and so does the Iroquois "nation." Otherwise hordes of trailertrash would be applying because of the additional beer and cigarette money available through wergeld "treaty rights".

[Posit]

This thread is a howl! Posit, you have just proven the falsity of your case. The fact is that the merits of my application to the US are based on many things, but not on race. The merits of my application to the Iroquois "nation" are based on race. You know it and I know it and so does the Iroquois "nation." Otherwise hordes of trailertrash would be applying because of the additional beer and cigarette money available through wergeld "treaty rights".

You didn't read the link either. If you did you would see that the Laws of Adoption and the Rights of Foreign Nations permits anyone to join, so long as they meet the requirements for being a citizen. Few of our trailer-trash would meet the minimum requirements. I don't believe a sponsor would accept a bum as being someone who would be a model citizen. There are lots of they might deny an application for citizenship and there are lots foreign nationals whom in the past have joined the Confederacy and accepted the responsibilities of citizenship.

[M.Dancer]

You don't read very well, do you? The answer is in the Great Law and no it is not exclusionary. You just need a sponsor, just like you do under some circumstances to immigrate to Canada.

The Canadian government is irrelevent to this discussion. The Confederacy are sovereign...the US recognizes that....

I read fine. It is excusionary, it doesn't allow for voluntary immigration. Could you imagine the protests if the Canadian Government passed a racist law like this?

Should any person, a member of The Dominion of Canda, specially esteem a man or woman

of a foreign nation, he may choose a name and bestow it upon that person so esteemed. The naming shall be in accord with the ceremony of bestowing names. Such a name is only a temporary one and shall be called "A name hung about the neck." A short string of shells shall be delivered with the

name as a record and a pledge.

I'm sure MD or leafless would like a law like that.....which isn't immigration so much as it is adoption into a family.

I think me new Indian name will be

Cooks With TinFoil

[jennie]

You know Jennie. I am not native. I do not have first hand experience of being native. But I can tell you this. I know that the name Indian was a mistake, since Columbus thought he was on his way to India. Nonetheless, there is nothing offensive about that. Seriously. Why in hell would someone make a big deal over the whole Indian thing? Someone can come on and blather about how offensive that term is and I dont care. They are trying to be offended.

It's like this art teacher I had in high school. All of a sudden one year she got a whim to change the pronunciation of her last name to give it more of a french flair. And she would always correct you if you said her name the old way. It was as if you were deliberately trying to insult her.

If I say so-and-so is French no one gets upset and says "you mean Francais". I have yet to hear a German tell me "you mean Deutschland." You know the name is not intended to be offensive, and there is nothing offensive about it, unless you hate people from India.

I have seen a person on a discussion board ask people to please stop saying 'Indian' for aboriginal because the person really was Indian, from India, and it was offensive to him.

So, there are two groups of people who are offended by its use, and our government that continues to use it only as part of its systemic denigration and racism program. That is reason enough to change your language.

Otherwise, I think I will call you 'li'l jeffie' whether you like it or not.

[ScottSA]

I have seen a person on a discussion board ask people to please stop saying 'Indian' for aboriginal because the person really was Indian, from India, and it was offensive to him.

So, there are two groups of people who are offended by its use, and our government that continues to use it only as part of its systemic denigration and racism program. That is reason enough to change your language.

Otherwise, I think I will call you 'li'l jeffie' whether you like it or not.

I am offended by being called "ScottSA." It doesn't matter that I have used the name for a good many years; what matters is that I choose now to be offended by its use. Henceforth I would like to be called "The Great White Hunter," and anyone who fails to do so is offending me something awful. Shortening it to "Whitey" is acceptable during periods when Mars is in the orb of Venus, and only when it is used by fellow whites, similar to the commonplace use of the "N" word by Blacks, and the traumatically horrifyedness of its use by anyone else. Indians, for example, use "Whitey" as part of their systemic denigration and racism program. Btw, "paleface" is right out.

[M.Dancer]

I am offended by being called "ScottSA." It doesn't matter that I have used the name for a good many years; what matters is that I choose now to be offended by its use. Henceforth I would like to be called "The Great White Hunter," and anyone who fails to do so is offending me something awful. Shortening it to "Whitey" is acceptable during periods when Mars is in the orb of Venus, and only when it is used by fellow whites, similar to the commonplace use of the "N" word by Blacks, and the traumatically horrifyedness of its use by anyone else. Indians, for example, use "Whitey" as part of their systemic denigration and racism program. Btw, "paleface" is right out.

He will also answer to Hey You

[ScottSA]

He will also answer to Hey You

That's "Mr Hey You" to you.

[geoffrey]

You can't have that "collective" right UNLESS you denounce your Canadian citizenship and become a citizen of the Iroquois Confederacy.

Six Nation's members are either Canadian or American depending on what side of the border they are on. There is no such thing as Iroquois citizenship, we've been through this a hundred times. The falsehoods need to end.

Never the less, let me give you a story.

My family arrived here before Canada was Canada and settled in New France in what is now a posh Montreal suburb. Canada became a country and on and on and now we are at where we're at today.

Now, my family never explicited ceded, of course before 5:00 and after eatting a feast with the moon at 32.67 degrees, their land to Canada. Essientially, using the Indian logic, I should be able to claim about 300 acres of suburban Montreal as my hereditary possession.

Do you disagree?

[M.Dancer]

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Never the less, let me give you a story.

Monsieur Dollard Des Ormeaux? Je perdue mon firkin de black powder......

[geoffrey]

Monsieur Dollard Des Ormeaux? Je perdue mon firkin de black powder......

[M.Dancer]

Quietly JBG searches google to try and understand the humour........

[jefferiah]

I have seen a person on a discussion board ask people to please stop saying 'Indian' for aboriginal because the person really was Indian, from India, and it was offensive to him.

Otherwise, I think I will call you 'li'l jeffie' whether you like it or not.

OK so he is a whiner too. Go ahead, call me Jeffie if you please.

[M.Dancer]

Lets agree the not top call them Indians.

From now on lets call them Hoosiers........

[jennie]

OK so he is a whiner too. Go ahead, call me Jeffie if you please.

Actually he is simply, politely informing people of a social faux pas.

Indigenous Peoples have a name for white folks that might be appropriate here: I can't spell it, but it means 'ghost people' or 'people of no substance, no humanity'.

It hails back to the days - actually over 100 years - when white people just ignored the agony of the Indigenous Peoples as they were herded onto reserves and into schools, and oppressed and abused beyond belief. The white people passed by it all like ghosts, without acknowledging and "without a shred of humanity".

[M.Dancer]

Indigenous Peoples have a name for white folks that might be appropriate here: I can't spell it, but it means 'ghost people' or 'people of no substance, no humanity'.

Which Hoosiers? Which Hoosier language?

[jefferiah]

Actually he is simply, politely informing people of a social faux pas.

Sure, and why should that be so offensive.

For instance some francophones might say of me

"He is English."

When in fact I am Canadian, and my last name is actually Irish. It's not a big deal Jennie. I usually use native myself, but if someone calls them Indians it's not a big deal. Nor should it be. It is not an insult.

[gc1765]

I usually use native myself, but if someone calls them Indians it's not a big deal. Nor should it be. It is not an insult.

Not an insult to who?

[AngusThermopyle]

Indigenous Peoples have a name for white folks that might be appropriate here: I can't spell it, but it means 'ghost people' or 'people of no substance, no humanity'.

What nonesense. I can name loads of white people with tons of humanity. What about Ghandi, Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King? Oh...wait a minute. Florence Nightingale?

[geoffrey]

Indigenous Peoples have a name for white folks that might be appropriate here: I can't spell it, but it means 'ghost people' or 'people of no substance, no humanity'.

What racist pigs, hey?

[jefferiah]

Not an insult to who?

To anyone with the ability to reason. Indian is not a derogatory term. The term Indian does not mean something either bad or good. It was simply an historical mistake which stuck. Indian does not mean "brown people with no soul" Jennie, so that is a horrible parallel to make. You have just used a direct insult to draw a parallel.

I understand that it is incorrect, but it is a name which people for generations have used to refer to the natives. It may be outdated, but if someone uses it once in a while or by mistake, it's harmless, and no one should really be overly upset.

People can make such mistakes. I like to watch the sunrise, even though technically the sun doesn't rise. Alot of people might call me "English", when technically I am Canadian. And in the early days of hockey a GM of the New York Rangers referred to players from Montreal as Habs, and this he did mean in a bad way. He was referring to them being Quebec farm boys. (The H in the C has nothing to do with it, by the way. C-H is club de hockey.)

[jefferiah]

Actually he is simply, politely informing people of a social faux pas.

Indigenous Peoples have a name for white folks that might be appropriate here: I can't spell it, but it means 'ghost people' or 'people of no substance, no humanity'.

OK so you can call me little Jeffie the ______________ (ghost person), if you can figure out how to spell it. Or you can call me an Indian if you like. Or an Albanian if it suits you. Or even "shit-for-brains", which was my big sister's name for me when I was small.

Edited October 13, 2007 by jefferiah