Topaz Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 What goes around comes around and Harper just may be experiencing that phase by the time The Bloc leader gets done with Harper! He said Harper isn't being fair with the transfer payments to Quebec and I suppose the rest of Canada feels that way,too. So.... what will Harper do?? He's worked so hard last year bringing down the government ,will HE say he's sorry and give up the money or will McKay say he's sorry first??? "Question Period" is going to very interesting on Monday and the rest of this week! Quote
Figleaf Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 Harper might end up wishing he could count on Garth Turner's vote, eh? Quote
watching&waiting Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 Well I personally would love to see an election call. I have no doubt that when the electorate is pushed to make the tough decisions they will give a CPC majority. No more of the petty poles but the hard true questions, and who has and has not done what they say they would. Who has fought tooth and nail to do exactly as he promised even when a Lib loaded senate tried at every turn to make it not be so. The Libs would not have had their leader and the NDP will have to pull the many feet out of Laytons mouth, and see if he has anythig left now that they will have lost the unions. Yep the only ones who would possibly come out ahead might to the Bloq, but I would not bet on that as well. The CPC would probably get a majority. Personally I think it is all postering, as they would not want to risk an election now. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 The BLOC doesn't have the power. It will take the support of the Lbierals to bring down the Conservatives. The Liberals won't agree till they have a leader. Which means Spring which is Harper's preferred timeline anyways. Classic example of all talk no action. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Figleaf Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 Well I personally would love to see an election call. I have no doubt that when the electorate is pushed to make the tough decisions they will give a CPC majority. I have some swampland in Florida and an attractive bridge available in NYC for anyone who believes that. Quote
B. Max Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 If I were Harper I think my response would be why don't you separate in stead of blackmailing the rest of the country for more money. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 I have some swampland in Florida and an attractive bridge available in NYC for anyone who believes that. that's a very well-considered and positive contribution to the debate. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Figleaf Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 I have some swampland in Florida and an attractive bridge available in NYC for anyone who believes that. that's a very well-considered and positive contribution to the debate. As good as most of yours, amigo. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 As good as most of yours, amigo. I applaud you on switching to the classic schoolyard "I know you are but what am I" defence. Bravo! Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Figleaf Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 As good as most of yours, amigo. I applaud you on switching to the classic schoolyard "I know you are but what am I" defence. Bravo! This allows me an opportunity to say again: As good as most of yours, amigo. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 This allows me an opportunity to say again: As good as most of yours, amigo. This allows me the opportunity to say again: I applaud you on switching to the classic schoolyard "I know you are but what am I" defence. Bravo! Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
sharkman Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 So, how would the Liberals campaign for an election without an actual leader? They aren't that stupid, are they? Quote
watching&waiting Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 The jury is still out on that question Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 So, how would the Liberals campaign for an election without an actual leader? They aren't that stupid, are they? No they wouldn't helpf force an eletion without a leader. That's why the Bloc threats are so empty. If the Bloc is smart they will move a motion that will make the Liberals look bad in the election. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
belinda emerson Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 So, how would the Liberals campaign for an election without an actual leader? They aren't that stupid, are they? Given how incredibly unpopular the Liberals were in January, 2006, the Conservatives should have campaigned without a leader then. They might have won a majority. Now they're stuck with Stephen Harper, a man so weak and ineffectual that he tolerated that sleazy Conservative MP Gurmant Grewal while condoning the ouster of Garth Turner. With Garth Turner as leader, the Conservatives actually would have a shot at a majority but with Stephen Harper, probably never. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 With Garth Turner as leader, the Conservatives actually would have a shot at a majority but with Stephen Harper, probably never. Yes, Garth Turner. The ultimate example of loyalty and running a tight government. I find it pretty convenient Garth will basically end up serving just long enough to become eligible for a parliamentary pension. What are the odds he won't collect the money???? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
belinda emerson Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 With Garth Turner as leader, the Conservatives actually would have a shot at a majority but with Stephen Harper, probably never. Yes, Garth Turner. The ultimate example of loyalty and running a tight government. Yeah, good for the Conservatives for turfing him but not that paragon of Conservative ethics, Gurmant Grewal Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 Yeah, good for the Conservatives for turfing him but not that paragon of Conservative ethics, Gurmant Grewal Grewal deserved to go. An election was coming up. He's gone. Is that the best you have against the Conservatives? Grewal? And you wonder why there is talk of a majority in the spring. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Figleaf Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 The problem with the Grewal case is that it appears that the Conservative leadership allowed him to run with a story they knew was not true. Typical. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 The problem with the Grewal case is that it appears that the Conservative leadership allowed him to run with a story they knew was not true. Typical. Yup. Harper still got elected after the Grewal affair. Guess Canadians found they preferred the party that didn't admit to steal money from Canadian taxpayers with the Sponsorship Programme. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Figleaf Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 The problem with the Grewal case is that it appears that the Conservative leadership allowed him to run with a story they knew was not true. Typical. Yup. Harper still got elected after the Grewal affair. I refer you to my analysis of the reasons people would vote Conservative on another thread. Guess Canadians found they preferred the party that didn't admit to steal money from Canadian taxpayers Are you lying or are you simply forgetful? The Liberal party never admitted such a thing and was not found to have done such a thing. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 Are you lying or are you simply forgetful? The Liberal party never admitted such a thing and was not found to have done such a thing. The Canadian public didn't buy that attempt at hair-splitting. You won a great moral victory with that post. Keep on winning those moral vistories and we'll keep on winning the actual elections. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
belinda emerson Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 The problem with the Grewal case is that it appears that the Conservative leadership allowed him to run with a story they knew was not true. Typical. Yup. Harper still got elected after the Grewal affair. Guess Canadians found they preferred the party that didn't admit to steal money from Canadian taxpayers with the Sponsorship Programme. The Conservatives actually lost seats in BC including Gurmant Grewal's seat in the January, 2006 election. Gurmant Grewal wasn't forgotten then anymore than David Emerson and his unpopular softwood lumber deal will be in the next election. The main reason they squeaked into power in January was the seats they picked up in Quebec. That reflected Quebec anger over the sponsorship affair. Now, the Conservatives are once again in third place in popularity in Quebec. Perhaps we need a few more months in Afghanistan for the Conservatives to slip into fourth place in Quebec, a position they occupied in 2005. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 The Conservatives actually lost seats in BC including Gurmant Grewal's seat in the January, 2006 election.Gurmant Grewal wasn't forgotten then anymore than David Emerson and his unpopular softwood lumber deal will be in the next election. The main reason they squeaked into power in January was the seats they picked up in Quebec. That reflected Quebec anger over the sponsorship affair. Now, the Conservatives are once again in third place in popularity in Quebec. Perhaps we need a few more months in Afghanistan for the Conservatives to slip into fourth place in Quebec, a position they occupied in 2005. OK But maybe the Liberals elect a pro-Afghanistan mission leader, i.e. Iggy and the Conservatives finish second in Quebec again. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
belinda emerson Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 The Conservatives actually lost seats in BC including Gurmant Grewal's seat in the January, 2006 election.Gurmant Grewal wasn't forgotten then anymore than David Emerson and his unpopular softwood lumber deal will be in the next election. The main reason they squeaked into power in January was the seats they picked up in Quebec. That reflected Quebec anger over the sponsorship affair. Now, the Conservatives are once again in third place in popularity in Quebec. Perhaps we need a few more months in Afghanistan for the Conservatives to slip into fourth place in Quebec, a position they occupied in 2005. But maybe the Liberals elect a pro-Afghanistan mission leader, i.e. Iggy and the Conservatives finish second in Quebec again. We agree on that point. If I were a Conservative, I'd be praying that the Liberals choose Iggy as leader. His willingness to see Canadians die for the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, a regime whose legislation allows the execution of Christians who convert to Islam, would neutralize any harm arising from Harper's stance Quote
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